(05-31-2013 10:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Dude always claimed to have a source within the Big 10 and when pushed he said it was an Ohio State insider. Well I think we all know who his source was all along. The question is did Gee use him in his destabilization plan? If so there are many ACC folks who might owe the Mountaineers a little bit of forgiveness, because they thought the Dude was one of theirs, and not a Gordon Gee lackey. I think a suspected pipeline of disinformation intended to hurt the perception of the ACC should be quite easy to trace now. Anyone for a good tortuous interference case? I think Gordo has fessed up here! How about a subpoena?

really?

(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 03:10 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If getting back into the glorious state of Maryland was that important to the ACC, they could add Navy.

Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

Pitt has over 12K alumni DC metro area too.

(05-31-2013 10:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Dude always claimed to have a source within the Big 10 and when pushed he said it was an Ohio State insider. Well I think we all know who his source was all along. The question is did Gee use him in his destabilization plan? If so there are many ACC folks who might owe the Mountaineers a little bit of forgiveness, because they thought the Dude was one of theirs, and not a Gordon Gee lackey. I think a suspected pipeline of disinformation intended to hurt the perception of the ACC should be quite easy to trace now. Anyone for a good tortuous interference case? I think Gordo has fessed up here! How about a subpoena?

It's always been my opinion that the Dude(and his various cohorts) didn't really have any solid sources.
Their main intent was to draw traffic to the WV Scout site.
The rubes (fans from many different schools) ate it up. I have never understood how so many people on this board cared about what the Dude said.

(05-31-2013 02:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 01:57 PM)TerryD Wrote:  So, the 1999 Big Ten invitation and the ND Board of Trustees "no" vote in London never happened, eh Gordo?

He said a number of dumb things here, more than were listed yesterday.

FWIW, here is Dan Wetzel's take on Gee:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/e--gordon-g...40039.html

I think he was talking about this round of expansion. He wasn't president of OSU back at that point.

A lot of the stuff he said is not stuff you are supposed to say in public, but isn't stuff we don't already know.
1. The Big Ten has certain academic standards it wants met which exclude schools like Louisville and Kentucky (I'm not defending that point, only saying its something we all knew).
2. It wants new markets in expansion or big names both because they are what bring audiences and because existing members don't want competition in their home state markets in conference.
3. The Big Ten did not want the ACC dominating the east coast. It took Maryland and Rutgers leaving it a big hole and the remaining potential members are few (though Gee very understates how powerful the conference is).
4. The NCAA is a mess. It's a structure with very different objectives and very different kind of members. Something will change or there will be a break eventually between the different parts.

The only real objectionable things I saw was a) the Catholic criticism seemed worse in this context. b) The academic snobbery and anti-southernness sounded really bad.

Never ever ever did UL officials or fans think we were going to get in to the B10 and 99% of that reason is because we haven't gotten to that academic bar yet, plus we flat out don't fit in the conference. Why in the world does he even bring us up.....I only assume because it was days after we were invited into the ACC so were the latest news realignment wise. His rant was an ACC smear theme, he is very butt hurt for not getting that geographical T.

The guy is heading out the door, if the rest of the university wants to move forward in good standing with multiple conferences and the largest independent in the country.

(06-01-2013 07:00 AM)lofi Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 10:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Dude always claimed to have a source within the Big 10 and when pushed he said it was an Ohio State insider. Well I think we all know who his source was all along. The question is did Gee use him in his destabilization plan? If so there are many ACC folks who might owe the Mountaineers a little bit of forgiveness, because they thought the Dude was one of theirs, and not a Gordon Gee lackey. I think a suspected pipeline of disinformation intended to hurt the perception of the ACC should be quite easy to trace now. Anyone for a good tortuous interference case? I think Gordo has fessed up here! How about a subpoena?

It's always been my opinion that the Dude(and his various cohorts) didn't really have any solid sources.
Their main intent was to draw traffic to the WV Scout site.
The rubes (fans from many different schools) ate it up. I have never understood how so many people on this board cared about what the Dude said.

You and me both, dude. I used to post on WVU's scout board, but have since stopped. There are too many people of the worst sort within WVU's fanbase on that board, and some of them are in charge of the board. If the people in charge of WVU's most popular fan site aren't able to remain civil to the people posting, how do they expect to improve WVU's image?

(05-31-2013 11:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 03:43 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Combination of VT, UVA should help cover enough

Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

Pitt has over 12K alumni DC metro area too.

12k isn't that many, especially compared to Big 10 schools. UC has almost 5k, and we're a lot farther away and smaller than OSU, PSU, Michigan.

(06-01-2013 12:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 11:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Charlottesville is as close to DC as Philly is, Blacksburg is as close to DC as New York City.

That's like the AAC claiming DC/MD because of Temple.

I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

Pitt has over 12K alumni DC metro area too.

12k isn't that many, especially compared to Big 10 schools. UC has almost 5k, and we're a lot farther away and smaller than OSU, PSU, Michigan.

Still well over twice as many. What are the Big Ten numbers? I know Pitt has more alumni than Ohio State which is has less than 10K and OSU is a much bigger school with a much bigger alumni base than Pitt. It is also more than Michigan, which has just under 10.5K when counting DC and the entire states of VA, MD, WV and DE. Alternatively, it is also more than twice as many as Loyola, a relatively local school by comparison. If people want to talk about all the OSU and Michigan alumni in DC that will be going to MD games, well there are easily more Pitt alumni there than either of them and Georgetown and Navy are familiar with this phenomena.

(06-01-2013 09:29 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 12:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 11:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I'm not saying that because of geography. I've been in the DC area plenty of times. Maryland isn't the only game in town. Heck even West Va gets some play in that area.

You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

Pitt has over 12K alumni DC metro area too.

12k isn't that many, especially compared to Big 10 schools. UC has almost 5k, and we're a lot farther away and smaller than OSU, PSU, Michigan.

Still well over twice as many. What are the Big Ten numbers? I know Pitt has more alumni than Ohio State which is has less than 10K and OSU is a much bigger school with a much bigger alumni base than Pitt. It is also more than Michigan, which has just under 10.5K when counting DC and the entire states of VA, MD, WV and DE. Alternatively, it is also more than twice as many as Loyola, a relatively local school by comparison. If people want to talk about all the OSU and Michigan alumni in DC that will be going to MD games, well there are easily more Pitt alumni there than either of them and Georgetown and Navy are familiar with this phenomena.

I don't have other Big 10 numbers, but OSU and UC have about the same percentage in DC as each other. So we can extrapolate from there.

UC is far enough away that we have as many in DC as we do in Chicago, SF, or LA, and our numbers in Denver and Atlanta are pretty close. So DC is not a hotspot for Ohioans. Most Big 10 schools (except PSU, Rutgers, and MD) probably have similar distribution, except they dwarf UC in size (and every ACC school):

illinois 653000
penn state 560658
indiana 555000
michigan state 529000
michigan 500000
ohio state 465000
Purdue 392100
rutgers 390000
Wisconsin 387192
minnesota 375000
Pitt 294000
fsu 290000
UNC 286,707
Cincinnati 260421
Syracuse 241000
maryland 240000
Va Tech 214000
iowa 201000
uva 200000
North Carolina State 170000
miami 160000
Duke 145000
Ga tech 126000
Clemson 115000
louisville 103398

I'm missing Nebraska, NW, BC, and Wake's numbers.

Basically, UC and OSU average around 2% of their alumni base in DC. If the 8 other midwestern B1G schools I have info for had the same percentage as OSU, that's 87,000, not counting Nebraska, NW, PSU, Rutgers, or MD. Every ACC school not from the region (UVA & VT) would have to have the same percentage of their alumni base in DC as Pitt (4.1%) to match that number. The NC schools might be close to that, but I'd bet anything that none of the rest are.

The very fact that Pitt, the school with the ACC's largest alumni base and the 3rd closest to DC, has an alumni base in DC that is about equal to the 7th largest Big 10 school is very telling, particularly when Ohioans don't move to DC in large numbers. I'd guess that in addition to PSU, MD, and Rutgers, you'd also see that IU, Illinois, and MSU have about the same or more alums in DC as Pitt. And you already figured out that OSU and Michigan are within 80% of Pitt. But I'd bet that the 4th ACC school in DC is way, way behind Pitt.

(06-02-2013 12:06 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 09:29 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 12:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 11:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:49 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  You're right, there are a ton of ACC grads in DC. But there are also a ton of B1G and Ivy and Pac fans too. DC is a magnet for alums from top schools so we get a bit of everything. VA and VTech have well-established fan bases in DC proper, but they fade to a trickle once you get to the Maryland border.

Pitt has over 12K alumni DC metro area too.

12k isn't that many, especially compared to Big 10 schools. UC has almost 5k, and we're a lot farther away and smaller than OSU, PSU, Michigan.

Still well over twice as many. What are the Big Ten numbers? I know Pitt has more alumni than Ohio State which is has less than 10K and OSU is a much bigger school with a much bigger alumni base than Pitt. It is also more than Michigan, which has just under 10.5K when counting DC and the entire states of VA, MD, WV and DE. Alternatively, it is also more than twice as many as Loyola, a relatively local school by comparison. If people want to talk about all the OSU and Michigan alumni in DC that will be going to MD games, well there are easily more Pitt alumni there than either of them and Georgetown and Navy are familiar with this phenomena.

I don't have other Big 10 numbers, but OSU and UC have about the same percentage in DC as each other. So we can extrapolate from there.

UC is far enough away that we have as many in DC as we do in Chicago, SF, or LA, and our numbers in Denver and Atlanta are pretty close. So DC is not a hotspot for Ohioans. Most Big 10 schools (except PSU, Rutgers, and MD) probably have similar distribution, except they dwarf UC in size (and every ACC school):

illinois 653000
penn state 560658
indiana 555000
michigan state 529000
michigan 500000
ohio state 465000
Purdue 392100
rutgers 390000
Wisconsin 387192
minnesota 375000
Pitt 294000
fsu 290000
UNC 286,707
Cincinnati 260421
Syracuse 241000
maryland 240000
Va Tech 214000
iowa 201000
uva 200000
North Carolina State 170000
miami 160000
Duke 145000
Ga tech 126000
Clemson 115000
louisville 103398

I'm missing Nebraska, NW, BC, and Wake's numbers.

Basically, UC and OSU average around 2% of their alumni base in DC. If the 8 other midwestern B1G schools I have info for had the same percentage as OSU, that's 87,000, not counting Nebraska, NW, PSU, Rutgers, or MD. Every ACC school not from the region (UVA & VT) would have to have the same percentage of their alumni base in DC as Pitt (4.1%) to match that number. The NC schools might be close to that, but I'd bet anything that none of the rest are.

The very fact that Pitt, the school with the ACC's largest alumni base and the 3rd closest to DC, has an alumni base in DC that is about equal to the 7th largest Big 10 school is very telling, particularly when Ohioans don't move to DC in large numbers. I'd guess that in addition to PSU, MD, and Rutgers, you'd also see that IU, Illinois, and MSU have about the same or more alums in DC as Pitt. And you already figured out that OSU and Michigan are within 80% of Pitt. But I'd bet that the 4th ACC school in DC is way, way behind Pitt.

No, you simply can't extrapolate percentages that are filled with assumptions that aren't even necessarily valid. I really don't know what your point is with these percentages. You can't take your Cincinnati's percentages and apply that to the total alumni numbers of Iowa or Minnesota alumni because you assume they are similar (and, btw, your numbers are wrong or old for Pitt).

(05-31-2013 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 02:19 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  The only smart thing he said the whole time is that Mizzou and Kansas should have been taken when they had the chance. The SEC and Big 12 appreciate the mistake!

I always wondered why they didn't take Missouri.

Because of a comment Jay Nixon made

Supposedly, the Governor rubbed someone in the B1G the wrong way (and ironically, one rumour had that it was Gee that was pissed by the statement), when he made a statement about bringing the Heartland (aka Midwest) to the B1G in a way that none of the current (at the time) B1G schools could, so they basically said "watch this" and went right in and turned their full attention to Nebraska.

The B1G egos basically were pissed (stupidly) for the comment and basically gave Mizzou the finger for it.

(05-31-2013 04:21 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Thanks for the plan to destroy the ACC Mr. Gee! Now we know how the B1G wants to destroy us, how the Big 12 wants to destroy us and who the SEC would like to get. If the ACC possibly survives all this, I just hope that Gee will agree to ead.

There has never been a secret to whom the SEC wants. In order:

1) UNC
2) UNC
3) UNC
4) Oklahoma
5) UVA
6) Kansas
7) WVU