Thats a great documentary too.

If anyone hasn't seen it, you need to. I think its on youtube.

(05-30-2013 11:10 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 11:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Great post, B.

its amazing that wooden is an icon and cal is thought of as slimy.....different eras I guess

Agree. And if memory serves, most of this on Gilbert came out way after the fact. With Cal, it was happening while he was still coaching. Not to mention the proliferation of PCs, social media, etc. in Cal's era.

I say Cal, but I do agree with AAA that the fact we are even having this discussion is fantastic.

The thing is that Pastner has some growth years still, this discussion could shift in later years.

To those who say Cal inherited a mess; sure. Let's be fair, though. Pastner's first three years of recruiting were done while Memphis was on probation BECAUSE of Cal.

That said, Cal did get players, even if some of them were landed in less than above the board fashions.

Something to remember about Finch, though, when it came to landing players. Before he landed his own, he was the lead recruiter for Kirk. Andre Turner once claimed he was all set to go to Auburn before a visit from Finch.

I agree with TripleA....and this is why I so consistenly defend Josh Pastner. In April 2009 the majority of people on this board thought Memphis basketball was about to slip back into mediocrity. I was confident at the time that the boosters would get a 'name' until I heard that RC had jumped into the fray. Has this program been where it was in 2007? No. Has it still been successful and improved each season under Pastner? Absofreakinglutely.

(05-30-2013 08:24 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Larry got Penny, Ren, Vaughn

Kirk got Lee, Bedford, Batman

Cal got DRose, CDR, Joey, AA

Waiting on Pastner's dominant player.

You left out Elliott Perry and Sylvester Gray.

Cal was the best recruiter. What's he's doing at Kentucky is another level but he did it a Memphis too.

Pastner is the best recruiting services recruiter because of all the players reps he gets to campus. But Cal recruited game changers.

John Martin ‏@JohnMartinCA 38m
In tomorrow's Commercial Appeal: We take an in-depth look at Josh Pastner's 2013 class...

LMAO!!!!!

with all of the great players that Josh has recruited i think it is safe to say that it is time to win big,especially since we have some really really solid players returning. time to go to the elite 8.

Apples To Apples...

First 4 Years
Cal
1 Wagner
32 Banks
50 Scooter
60 Diarra
65 Hunt
97 Rice

Pastner
11 Barton
17 Adonis
17 Nichols
18 JJ
28 Iverson
44 Shaq
46 King
54 Black
59 Markel
72 Crawford
80 Woodson

Quite the bloodbath.

I'm guessing on the rankings from 2000-2004 and I'm probably leaving one or two of Cal's guys out.

(05-30-2013 04:35 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Apples To Apples...

First 4 Years
Cal
1 Wagner
32 Banks
50 Scooter
60 Diarra
65 Hunt
97 Rice

Pastner
11 Barton
17 Adonis
17 Nichols
18 JJ
28 Iverson
44 Shaq
46 King
54 Black
59 Markel
72 Crawford
80 Woodson
70? Powell

Quite the bloodbath.

Forgot Pookie Powell. And the nine bolded will be on this seasons team

Cal, best in history of game!!!

Add a couple of solid "almosts" to Pastner too. Latavious Williams (remember him?) and of course Jelan Kendrick. Even though they didn't end up here, they were still solid 5 star commitments.

(05-30-2013 04:46 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 04:35 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Apples To Apples...

First 4 Years
Cal
1 Wagner
32 Banks
50 Scooter
60 Diarra
65 Hunt
97 Rice

Pastner
11 Barton
17 Adonis
17 Nichols
18 JJ
28 Iverson
44 Shaq
46 King
54 Black
59 Markel
72 Crawford
80 Woodson
70? Powell

Quite the bloodbath.

Forgot Pookie Powell. And the nine bolded will be on this seasons team

Boom!

(05-30-2013 05:10 PM)biggesttitansfan Wrote:  Add a couple of solid "almosts" to Pastner too. Latavious Williams (remember him?) and of course Jelan Kendrick. Even though they didn't end up here, they were still solid 5 star commitments.

That's why I didn't list Pookie, Williams, Perkins, Qyntel, etc. Stoudemire decommitted, so he wouldn't have made the list either way.

(05-30-2013 11:56 AM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 08:24 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Larry got Penny, Ren, Vaughn

Kirk got Lee, Bedford, Batman

Cal got DRose, CDR, Joey, AA

Waiting on Pastner's dominant player.

You left out Elliott Perry and Sylvester Gray.

Cal was the best recruiter. What's he's doing at Kentucky is another level but he did it a Memphis too.

Pastner is the best recruiting services recruiter because of all the players reps he gets to campus. But Cal recruited game changers.

to jumpstart the Memphis program the way he needed to...Cal had to take chances on guys who might have had questionable characters.
I am long since thankful we no longer need to recruit those kind of folks.

This is stupid. Calipari coached here. He is the best recruiter in the game, if not of all time. Josh is a damn good recruiter and one of the best in the business. He might one day surpass Cal. He has a had a better start, for sure. But recruiting is about getting players and nobody does that like Calipari.

(05-30-2013 08:00 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  This is stupid. Calipari coached here. He is the best recruiter in the game, if not of all time. Josh is a damn good recruiter and one of the best in the business. He might one day surpass Cal. He has a had a better start, for sure. But recruiting is about getting players and nobody does that like Calipari.

Read the thread title. We're talking about in TIGER history, not in UK history.