(06-06-2013 02:44 PM)NicevilleWRC Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 01:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 12:55 PM)07owl Wrote:  Felt like reviving this thread with this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Outgoing UNC Chancellor ("mainstream" school) regrets that athletics is basically becoming the premier purpose of universities and the primary focus of a President's job

Thanks for speaking up now that you don't have any power to do something about it. The university presidents are the ones who can insist that true reform take place. But they haven't.

I note his stance is not that sports are becoming too important and threatening the integrity of the school and higher education, but that he doesn't want Presidents to have to worry about it.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don’t work ... or let’s be honest and tell everyone when we select (presidents) to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job.”

I think he's complaining about both things. Saying athletics has become "the most important part" of being a university president means to me that he thinks athletics are threatening the integrity of the institution.

I am holding the ADs and the Presidents responsible for a system that is not working well. Only about 10 programs cover their expenses because much of the money is drained off for coaches and other employees. The system is breaking down because the revenue is being hogged by about 60 of the institutions. If big time football is cut down to around 60 schools, how are they going to like it when only about 30 of them can have winning records? What happens when everyone else decides it is not worth spending the money for small time football that does not attract national attention? Also, are we making athletes spend too much time on their sport and not enough in the classroom and library studying for the career they need when they are finished in the sport?

(06-06-2013 02:44 PM)NicevilleWRC Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 01:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 12:55 PM)07owl Wrote:  Felt like reviving this thread with this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Outgoing UNC Chancellor ("mainstream" school) regrets that athletics is basically becoming the premier purpose of universities and the primary focus of a President's job

Thanks for speaking up now that you don't have any power to do something about it. The university presidents are the ones who can insist that true reform take place. But they haven't.

I note his stance is not that sports are becoming too important and threatening the integrity of the school and higher education, but that he doesn't want Presidents to have to worry about it.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don’t work ... or let’s be honest and tell everyone when we select (presidents) to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job.”

And it's no surprise that athletics took over all his time at UNC: 'Everything changed when the NCAA launched an investigation into improper benefits in the football program in the 2010. That soon expanded to academic misconduct involving a university tutor, then got worse with findings of fraud and no-show classes in an academic department with significant athlete enrollments.'

(05-29-2013 01:17 PM)talon owl Wrote:  http://thegazette.com/2013/05/29/emails-...officials/

Paragraph below second picture.

Quote:The legislation ignited an email chain among league presidents, Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany and NCAA President Mark Emmert. Delany wrote Emmert on Feb. 14 apologizing for not calling him before the league’s Feb. 11 release but hoped the NCAA would delay the rules’ implementation or risk presidents overriding the legislation. Delany wrote that he wanted to maintain the NCAA’s reform deregulation agenda but feared the rules would result in “another level of staffing” for football programs.

Emmert retorted that the proposals were vetted for months by the NCAA’s membership committee with opposition from only Rice University, “who I don’t believe is a mainstream D1 school,” Emmert wrote.

“If now the membership doesn’t want some of these changes, fine by me,” Emmert wrote. “But to be honest, I don’t know how the membership wants to make decisions. The process used to make these changes was as open, representative and democratic and I could imagine — other than the old town hall convention model I suppose.” Emmert also mentioned Big Ten staff worked on the group. Michigan State President Lou Anna Simon chairs the NCAA executive committee.

The same Mark Emmert is speaking at Rice (in McNair Hall) at 1:15 pm today:
https://twitter.com/RiceUniversity/statu...08/photo/1

"The same Mark Emmert is speaking at Rice (in McNair Hall) at 1:15 pm today:
https://twitter.com/RiceUniversity/statu...08/photo/1 "

I guess he is slumming today.

(05-30-2013 12:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  We might be out of the Mainstream for the NCAA, but the NCAA is out of the mainstream for education.

(05-30-2013 12:48 AM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 11:30 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Leebron should publically ask for an apology?

Emmert's comment was totally out of line.

Requesting a public apology would look weak. Not how Rice needs to present itself right now.

Better response: embrace it. Produce a video touting the things Rice has done right. We have Vance McDonald, Natalie Beazant, and Austin Kubitza. We have alums who have been successful after graduation. We're not mainstream and we're proud of it.

JMO.

Agree with Gravy. Really a great idea. I'd open every single commercial with that quote... run some "cool" music and then show snippets of things like the dogpile, the 18 rings, the bowl trophies, the numerous great individual performances... show them at graduation as well... the guys in the NFL... the music and theater performances, the lab inventions, the Nobel's, the buckyballs, the BRC, the numerous academic awards, beer bike, a gazilcher, the MOB, the CWS watch party at iirc McMurtry, the rec center, the oak trees in the middle of downtown and finally Lovett Hall... and end with something like... Why be mainstream?

That should be our new slogan

One of McKinsey's big pushes was to promote and celebrate our uniqueness.... well, there you go!

Bingo - - and be sure to strongly highlight the actual quote, in quotation marks

(04-01-2016 02:31 PM)Barney Wrote:  

(05-30-2013 12:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  We might be out of the Mainstream for the NCAA, but the NCAA is out of the mainstream for education.

(05-30-2013 12:48 AM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(05-29-2013 11:30 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  Am I the only one here that doesn't think that Leebron should publically ask for an apology?

Emmert's comment was totally out of line.

Requesting a public apology would look weak. Not how Rice needs to present itself right now.

Better response: embrace it. Produce a video touting the things Rice has done right. We have Vance McDonald, Natalie Beazant, and Austin Kubitza. We have alums who have been successful after graduation. We're not mainstream and we're proud of it.

JMO.

Agree with Gravy. Really a great idea. I'd open every single commercial with that quote... run some "cool" music and then show snippets of things like the dogpile, the 18 rings, the bowl trophies, the numerous great individual performances... show them at graduation as well... the guys in the NFL... the music and theater performances, the lab inventions, the Nobel's, the buckyballs, the BRC, the numerous academic awards, beer bike, a gazilcher, the MOB, the CWS watch party at iirc McMurtry, the rec center, the oak trees in the middle of downtown and finally Lovett Hall... and end with something like... Why be mainstream?

That should be our new slogan

One of McKinsey's big pushes was to promote and celebrate our uniqueness.... well, there you go!

Bingo - - and be sure to strongly highlight the actual quote, in quotation marks

Yes , but do we have people working at Foot Locker or as a garbage man ( who the end up in the NFL)? The press loves stories like that, rather than asking why a person who spent 4-5 years in college would end up in Foot Locker, etc

(04-01-2016 01:19 PM)owlsfan Wrote:  "The same Mark Emmert is speaking at Rice (in McNair Hall) at 1:15 pm today:
https://twitter.com/RiceUniversity/statu...08/photo/1 "

I guess he is slumming today.

Emphasis on ...

(06-06-2013 03:12 PM)07owl Wrote:  I think he's complaining about both things. Saying athletics has become "the most important part" of being a university president means to me that he thinks athletics are threatening the integrity of the institution.

I think he's just complaining that he's doing the ADs job. He seems to me to be saying either hire an AD... make him run athletics and hold him accountable to the President... while the President runs academics, or hire an AD to be President, and then hire an 'academics director' to run the University who reports to the AD. Instead, he seems to complain that they hire an AD, put him under the President, but give the President little control over him... and then hold the President accountable for his actions.

If athletics becomes the most important part, then maybe the trustees have the wrong goal. Athletics should be the most important thing for a pro team but not an university.

(04-01-2016 07:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 03:12 PM)07owl Wrote:  I think he's complaining about both things. Saying athletics has become "the most important part" of being a university president means to me that he thinks athletics are threatening the integrity of the institution.

I think he's just complaining that he's doing the ADs job. He seems to me to be saying either hire an AD... make him run athletics and hold him accountable to the President... while the President runs academics, or hire an AD to be President, and then hire an 'academics director' to run the University who reports to the AD. Instead, he seems to complain that they hire an AD, put him under the President, but give the President little control over him... and then hold the President accountable for his actions.

Did anyone go to Emmert's talk on Friday?

(06-06-2013 03:12 PM)07owl Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 02:44 PM)NicevilleWRC Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 01:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 12:55 PM)07owl Wrote:  Felt like reviving this thread with this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Outgoing UNC Chancellor ("mainstream" school) regrets that athletics is basically becoming the premier purpose of universities and the primary focus of a President's job

Thanks for speaking up now that you don't have any power to do something about it. The university presidents are the ones who can insist that true reform take place. But they haven't.

I note his stance is not that sports are becoming too important and threatening the integrity of the school and higher education, but that he doesn't want Presidents to have to worry about it.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don’t work ... or let’s be honest and tell everyone when we select (presidents) to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job.”

I think he's complaining about both things. Saying athletics has become "the most important part" of being a university president means to me that he thinks athletics are threatening the integrity of the institution.

Given the recent news out of Chapel Hill, athletics might have completely undermined UNC academics during his tenure. Word is de-accreditation is on the table (though not a given).

(04-02-2016 11:16 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 03:12 PM)07owl Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 02:44 PM)NicevilleWRC Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 01:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-06-2013 12:55 PM)07owl Wrote:  Felt like reviving this thread with this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Outgoing UNC Chancellor ("mainstream" school) regrets that athletics is basically becoming the premier purpose of universities and the primary focus of a President's job

Thanks for speaking up now that you don't have any power to do something about it. The university presidents are the ones who can insist that true reform take place. But they haven't.

I note his stance is not that sports are becoming too important and threatening the integrity of the school and higher education, but that he doesn't want Presidents to have to worry about it.

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don’t work ... or let’s be honest and tell everyone when we select (presidents) to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job.”

I think he's complaining about both things. Saying athletics has become "the most important part" of being a university president means to me that he thinks athletics are threatening the integrity of the institution.

Given the recent news out of Chapel Hill, athletics might have completely undermined UNC academics during his tenure. Word is de-accreditation is on the table (though not a given).

The word "recent" certainly isn't a part of this mess. The news about the scandal broke back in 2013 when we were in Raleigh for the Super Regionals. Nice of Emmert and the NCAA to come up with an amended allegations line so not to be a side story to UNC basketball this season. Even the University says they have been waiting since the original allegations were delivered in May for the amended charges. What a foot drag by the NCAA. Of course Jim Nantz would never remind us of Syracuse's APR problems of several years ago either.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...12102.html

Ouch!

Academically Sketchy Program Defeats Academically Sketchy Program, 83-66

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syra...f53aefdd3a