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Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
If the SEC figures to have
1. Sugar
2. Orange/Access
3. Champs(Citrus)
4. Outback(Tampa)
5. Gator
6. Charlotte(Belk)
7. Music City
8. Meineke(Houston)
9. Liberty

The order above isn't important, I just did that to keep a count.
Because with 14 teams, there are going to be 10 SEC bowl teams from time to time. Sometimes you'll have 3 SEC teams in the 6 CFP bowls, but not always.

So what does the SEC do for a backup tie-in? Consider that you're probably looking for a bowl for the SEC's last pick, Kentucky or Vanderbilt or a Mississippi or a Mississippi State.

Keep a tie-in to Birmingham? Tropicana Field? The AAC game in Boca Raton?

Or do they take the risk that a power-conference team sits at home at 6-6, if the math doesn't work for all five power-conferences to back each other's bowls?
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
I assume your #3 should be the Capital One Bowl and not Champs. Champs bowl is now called Russell Athletic
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
(05-28-2013 10:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If the SEC figures to have
1. Sugar
2. Orange/Access
3. Champs(Citrus)
4. Outback(Tampa)
5. Gator
6. Charlotte(Belk)
7. Music City
8. Meineke(Houston)
9. Liberty

The order above isn't important, I just did that to keep a count.
Because with 14 teams, there are going to be 10 SEC bowl teams from time to time. Sometimes you'll have 3 SEC teams in the 6 CFP bowls, but not always.

So what does the SEC do for a backup tie-in? Consider that you're probably looking for a bowl for the SEC's last pick, Kentucky or Vanderbilt or a Mississippi or a Mississippi State.

Keep a tie-in to Birmingham? Tropicana Field? The AAC game in Boca Raton?

Or do they take the risk that a power-conference team sits at home at 6-6, if the math doesn't work for all five power-conferences to back each other's bowls?

Thier bottom two are currently the Independence Bowls and the former BBVA Compass Bowl. One of those will likely be the final choice since they would both be close in the footprint bowls that would be a cheap drivable trip for most SEC schools. Remember, its probably going to be a 6-6 school, so the fan base (depending on the school) may not exactly be whipped up in a frenzy to see the bowl game. A close cheap trip probably would make the decision easier.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
While the SEC not getting 2 BCS teams will be rare or non-existant, they will only assume one with the bowls. I don't know how many their current numbers allow (based on average bowl years of bowl eligitility or something like that), but I bet they have 9/10 bowls outside the CFP.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
(05-28-2013 11:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-28-2013 10:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If the SEC figures to have
1. Sugar
2. Orange/Access
3. Champs(Citrus)
4. Outback(Tampa)
5. Gator
6. Charlotte(Belk)
7. Music City
8. Meineke(Houston)
9. Liberty

The order above isn't important, I just did that to keep a count.
Because with 14 teams, there are going to be 10 SEC bowl teams from time to time. Sometimes you'll have 3 SEC teams in the 6 CFP bowls, but not always.

So what does the SEC do for a backup tie-in? Consider that you're probably looking for a bowl for the SEC's last pick, Kentucky or Vanderbilt or a Mississippi or a Mississippi State.

Keep a tie-in to Birmingham? Tropicana Field? The AAC game in Boca Raton?

Or do they take the risk that a power-conference team sits at home at 6-6, if the math doesn't work for all five power-conferences to back each other's bowls?

Thier bottom two are currently the Independence Bowls and the former BBVA Compass Bowl. One of those will likely be the final choice since they would both be close in the footprint bowls that would be a cheap drivable trip for most SEC schools. Remember, its probably going to be a 6-6 school, so the fan base (depending on the school) may not exactly be whipped up in a frenzy to see the bowl game. A close cheap trip probably would make the decision easier.

Not just a 6-6 team, but a 6-6 non-marquee team. A 6-6 LSU, Florida, A&M, Alabama is going to get picked before a 7-5 Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, I think. I actually started this thought process with the "new" SBC-MAC Little Rock game, then broadened it to get people's thoughts.

I've seen people say plenty of bad things about Birmingham and Legion Field. And the Independence Bowl is "historic", but...Shreveport. So does the SEC go with the New Orleans Bowl? :shrug:

Put the Tropicana Field and Marlins Park games on the long list, but that's not as close to Ole Miss or Mississippi State.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
(05-28-2013 11:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-28-2013 11:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-28-2013 10:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  If the SEC figures to have
1. Sugar
2. Orange/Access
3. Champs(Citrus)
4. Outback(Tampa)
5. Gator
6. Charlotte(Belk)
7. Music City
8. Meineke(Houston)
9. Liberty

The order above isn't important, I just did that to keep a count.
Because with 14 teams, there are going to be 10 SEC bowl teams from time to time. Sometimes you'll have 3 SEC teams in the 6 CFP bowls, but not always.

So what does the SEC do for a backup tie-in? Consider that you're probably looking for a bowl for the SEC's last pick, Kentucky or Vanderbilt or a Mississippi or a Mississippi State.

Keep a tie-in to Birmingham? Tropicana Field? The AAC game in Boca Raton?

Or do they take the risk that a power-conference team sits at home at 6-6, if the math doesn't work for all five power-conferences to back each other's bowls?

Thier bottom two are currently the Independence Bowls and the former BBVA Compass Bowl. One of those will likely be the final choice since they would both be close in the footprint bowls that would be a cheap drivable trip for most SEC schools. Remember, its probably going to be a 6-6 school, so the fan base (depending on the school) may not exactly be whipped up in a frenzy to see the bowl game. A close cheap trip probably would make the decision easier.

Not just a 6-6 team, but a 6-6 non-marquee team. A 6-6 LSU, Florida, A&M, Alabama is going to get picked before a 7-5 Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, I think. I actually started this thought process with the "new" SBC-MAC Little Rock game, then broadened it to get people's thoughts.

I've seen people say plenty of bad things about Birmingham and Legion Field. And the Independence Bowl is "historic", but...Shreveport. So does the SEC go with the New Orleans Bowl? :shrug:

Put the Tropicana Field and Marlins Park games on the long list, but that's not as close to Ole Miss or Mississippi State.

The SEC pretty much just picks off bowls based on payout. Obviously, they can have any bowl they want---So if they want New Orleans its theirs. Any of the junk bowls would dive at the chance to land an SEC team. For the SEC, its not as if there is real difference in these bottom tier McBowls. I'd assume a central location and the best payout would be thier primary concern---but who knows.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
(05-28-2013 10:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  So what does the SEC do for a backup tie-in? Consider that you're probably looking for a bowl for the SEC's last pick, Kentucky or Vanderbilt or a Mississippi or a Mississippi State.
St. Louis wants to get a bowl started, and that would be a home bowl for the SEC now with Mizzou. And in a good year in the SEC, Mizzou might be 6-6 or 7-5 and bowl eligible.

If its going one beyond their stand-alone eligibility, do it with the Big Ten going one beyond THEIR stand-alone eligibility, and assuming that the SEC doesn't want to be involved with the American, CUSA or Sunbelt which overlap onto their footprint, do it with the MAC backing the Big Ten and the MWC backing the SEC.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
To the OP, I'm pretty sure that the SEC will end up signing a direct 10th bowl tie-in, anyway (and there will be plenty of suitors for that spot). Conferences sign tie-ins based on the assumption that they're only getting 1 CFP Bowl spot, so if the SEC is averaging 10 bowl tie-ins per year, they're going to sign up 10 bowls contractually to cover themselves (even if 1 or 2 of those schools regularly end up in an access bowl slot in practicality).
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(05-28-2013 12:02 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  To the OP, I'm pretty sure that the SEC will end up signing a direct 10th bowl tie-in, anyway (and there will be plenty of suitors for that spot). Conferences sign tie-ins based on the assumption that they're only getting 1 CFP Bowl spot, so if the SEC is averaging 10 bowl tie-ins per year, they're going to sign up 10 bowls contractually to cover themselves (even if 1 or 2 of those schools regularly end up in an access bowl slot in practicality).

I agree that the SEC will probably sign a 10th bowl. But the problem is, the SEC won't fill that bowl regularly. So it's either a lower-FBS bowl most years (say, the Little Rock MAC vs SBC bowl most years, with the SEC being able to "bump" one or the other conference if they have a team available) or some kind of Rube-Goldberg arrangement where 3 or 4 or 5 power conferences all pool their "N+1"th pick, where N is the number they'll usually fill.

I figure central location will be important. But I'm not sure that a few hundred thousand dollars trumps fan experience, or more exactly, booster experience. Would big-dollar Kentucky or Ole Miss boosters rather spend the week-before-Christmas in A) Birmingham, B) Shreveport, C) New Orleans, D) Mobile or E) Little Rock?

ACtually, I could see a deal where, in years where the bowl is an SEC bowl, it's on the SEC Network.
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RE: Thoughts on a final SEC bowl tie-in
The SEC will have at least one more bowl tie-in to add to this list. The conference will always have sufficient bowls for its teams, even if that means bowl slots go unused.

My guess is that the bowl game formerly known as the BBVA Compass in Birmingham will lose its SEC tie-in, despite the city being the location of the conference office. There have been way too many complaints about the condition of Legion Field, and when an SEC team's fans did show up in big numbers for a game there this past January (Ole Miss), the city and the bowl were completely overwhelmed and unprepared. Plus, no one likes a game usually held so late after January 1.

Ordinarily, I'd say Shreveport was iffy, too, although I think the league is committed to having at least a couple of bowl options on the western side of the conference for those teams in the SEC West. The Liberty has had problems with its stadium, too, although the city appears to finally be committed to making badly needed upgrades. Plus, fans generally like visiting Memphis, and I think the city does a good job of hosting.

I've also read that the SEC does not want a bowl in a city that is already hosting another bowl game with an SEC tie-in, which supposedly ruled out the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando. That might also rule out New Orleans. I guess "technically" Tropicana Field would satisfy this requirement.
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