(05-31-2013 12:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Mistabinks

Floyd had horses when he took over the team and he didn't let them run wild. I have a hard time believing that he will do it once he gets his brand of horses. Floyd is a disciplinarian. If you think that doesn't translate onto the court, I have some land in Horizon to sell you.

In my opinion, I disagree. Coach Floyd clearly stated when he first got here that he wasn't going to revamp the playing style of the team. He said as a new coach simply couldn't change a senior laden team even if he wanted to. I don't remember that team running a half court offense.

I think he is going to loosen up the leashes this year and I think he is really going to let them run next season.

(05-31-2013 12:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't mind Floyd's discipline off the court but what indication do we have that these players left because of discipline off the court? What did these boys do off the court that got them kicked off the team?

Are you talking about Howard and potentially Vint? If so, it's about playing time. Simple as that. That and we are oversigned and somebody has to go. It is not about discipline or playing style.

(05-31-2013 12:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Until you demand better, UTEP will always fall short.

Absolutes usually do not have much weight to them. Without support, UTEP will probably fall short.

Mistabinks

We shall see if Floyd lets them run. I just don't think he has it in him to let the players control the tempo. Floyd's ego forces him to run things his way 100% of the time.

If students are leaving because of playing time. Then that isn't an off the court issue. That is an on the court issue.

UTEP will always have support from the die hards such as those on this forum who care little about the long term direction of the athletic program because they think loyalty is more important.

Loyalty is over rated. It doesn't take much intelligence to be loyal. Even a dog can be loyal.

(05-31-2013 11:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Mistabinks

Fitbud

(05-31-2013 11:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We shall see if Floyd lets them run. I just don't think he has it in him to let the players control the tempo. Floyd's ego forces him to run things his way 100% of the time.

Now that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I don't think, and wouldn't want, the players controlling the tempo. I don't want Memphis basketball in El Paso. It will be somewhere in the middle. Faster pace but still well coached. I hope it is never streetball.

(05-31-2013 11:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  UTEP will always have support from the die hards such as those on this forum who care little about the long term direction of the athletic program because they think loyalty is more important.

Now there is the Fitbud we are used to. Making ultimatums and absolutes. Obviously, it should be common knowledge, and most would agree, that there is no formulas or templates to die hard Miner fans. You can make claims like that. It isn't accurate. Most of the die hards on this forum as ecstatic about Coach Floyd because of the long term stability we finally have.

(05-31-2013 11:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Loyalty is over rated. It doesn't take much intelligence to be loyal. Even a dog can be loyal.

Sometimes a dog can be smarter than a bud.

1. Memphis basketball wins championships

2. MOST UTEP fans care about loyalty more than the direction of the program. Look at how long we stated with Mike Price. Multiple losing seasons until we finally let him go.

(06-01-2013 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  1. Memphis basketball wins championships

So does UTEP. Memphis had a long run with Calipari and now with Pastner. UTEP won championships with Billy G, Doc, and Barbee. It was the coaching carousal that hurt UTEP and not a style of coaching.

(06-01-2013 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  2. MOST UTEP fans care about loyalty more than the direction of the program. Look at how long we stated with Mike Price. Multiple losing seasons until we finally let him go.

I don't think anyone on a message board can have a firm handle on what MOST UTEP fans think. I think UTEP's decision to stick with Price was more financial than about loyalty. The informed UTEP fan was aware of this. As a matter of fact, can you name one UTEP fan that cares about loyalty above winning? Being understanding is a different issue.

Mistabinks

I was talking about national championships. Not conference championships.

When I speak of loyalty to UTEP I mean that many fans are loyal to the point that they don't express their frustration with UTEP athletics.

I mean come on. We've seen lesser schools have more success than UTEP.

I just don't get how UTEP cannot become successful like many other mid majors have.

In my opinion it is because good enough is always good enough for UTEP fans.

.500 football was good enough for football fans

Tim Floyd is good enough for basketball fans.

I just think we can do better.

(06-01-2013 03:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Tim Floyd is good enough for basketball fans.
I just think we can do better.

We can also do better than "just good enough fans", who support the miners only when they win.

You try to make this chicken/egg (fan support vs. demanding performance) debate. It takes a strong fan base (who will show up at all times, and is willing to pay more than 5 bucks a ticket; which we know you won't) to attract high talent football coaches.

You always want something for nothing. Demand better, but won't pay for it. Triple A ball, but won't pay for it. And it goes on, and on, and on, and on.

As for Floyd. You are totally clueless. He is an accomplished coach at a bargain of a price... You think you can do better? Name 3 candidates, and the salary you think we would be able to retain them at, without them eyeing other opportunities within 3-5 years.

And you wonder why you place yourself in the crosshairs of the Miner fans....

Your were talking about national championships when you said Memphis wins championships? I think it's time for a backpedal or for you to copy and paste an article.

(06-01-2013 05:34 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Tim Floyd is good enough for basketball fans.
I just think we can do better.

We can also do better than "just good enough fans", who support the miners only when they win.

You try to make this chicken/egg (fan support vs. demanding performance) debate. It takes a strong fan base (who will show up at all times, and is willing to pay more than 5 bucks a ticket; which we know you won't) to attract high talent football coaches.

You always want something for nothing. Demand better, but won't pay for it. Triple A ball, but won't pay for it. And it goes on, and on, and on, and on.

As for Floyd. You are totally clueless. He is an accomplished coach at a bargain of a price... You think you can do better? Name 3 candidates, and the salary you think we would be able to retain them at, without them eyeing other opportunities within 3-5 years.

And you wonder why you place yourself in the crosshairs of the Miner fans....

But you are wrong. I have supported the Miners for years and went to many of their games in both football and basketball. I even purchased season tickets last year.

As for Floyd. I know he was a good coach and I'm sure he will have some success at UTEP. I just think UTEP should look be looking for the next Shaka Smart rather than getting coaches in the twighlight of their careers like Mike Price.

As for being in the crosshairs of UTEP fans. That is exactly where I want to be. I want to make them see UTEP athletics from a different perspective. We've been settling for mediocre athletics for too long.

(06-01-2013 06:16 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Your were talking about national championships when you said Memphis wins championships? I think it's time for a backpedal or for you to copy and paste an article.

I think he heard it on the radio

(06-02-2013 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 05:34 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Tim Floyd is good enough for basketball fans.
I just think we can do better.

We can also do better than "just good enough fans", who support the miners only when they win.

You try to make this chicken/egg (fan support vs. demanding performance) debate. It takes a strong fan base (who will show up at all times, and is willing to pay more than 5 bucks a ticket; which we know you won't) to attract high talent football coaches.

You always want something for nothing. Demand better, but won't pay for it. Triple A ball, but won't pay for it. And it goes on, and on, and on, and on.

As for Floyd. You are totally clueless. He is an accomplished coach at a bargain of a price... You think you can do better? Name 3 candidates, and the salary you think we would be able to retain them at, without them eyeing other opportunities within 3-5 years.

And you wonder why you place yourself in the crosshairs of the Miner fans....

But you are wrong. I have supported the Miners for years and went to many of their games in both football and basketball. I even purchased season tickets last year.

As for Floyd. I know he was a good coach and I'm sure he will have some success at UTEP. I just think UTEP should look be looking for the next Shaka Smart rather than getting coaches in the twighlight of their careers like Mike Price.

As for being in the crosshairs of UTEP fans. That is exactly where I want to be. I want to make them see UTEP athletics from a different perspective. We've been settling for mediocre athletics for too long.

One season with $120 Family Pack does not count. You want to see a big-time product.... You need to support with Big-Time product investment.

You also still didn't name 3 coaches. Shaka Smart is one of 300+ coaches, and VCU only became relecant recently.

Do you really think you are making people see things differently? This is the trolling that I speak of. I think I speak for most, when I say this is either nothing but hot air, or intentionall trolling.

I'm just glad that for each negative fan, we have 3 others who will still attend, when able to.

(06-02-2013 01:05 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 06:16 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Your were talking about national championships when you said Memphis wins championships? I think it's time for a backpedal or for you to copy and paste an article.

I think he heard it on the radio

Most would agree and it is common knowledge on the radio.

(06-02-2013 04:52 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(06-02-2013 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 05:34 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(06-01-2013 03:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Tim Floyd is good enough for basketball fans.
I just think we can do better.

We can also do better than "just good enough fans", who support the miners only when they win.

You try to make this chicken/egg (fan support vs. demanding performance) debate. It takes a strong fan base (who will show up at all times, and is willing to pay more than 5 bucks a ticket; which we know you won't) to attract high talent football coaches.

You always want something for nothing. Demand better, but won't pay for it. Triple A ball, but won't pay for it. And it goes on, and on, and on, and on.

As for Floyd. You are totally clueless. He is an accomplished coach at a bargain of a price... You think you can do better? Name 3 candidates, and the salary you think we would be able to retain them at, without them eyeing other opportunities within 3-5 years.

And you wonder why you place yourself in the crosshairs of the Miner fans....

But you are wrong. I have supported the Miners for years and went to many of their games in both football and basketball. I even purchased season tickets last year.

As for Floyd. I know he was a good coach and I'm sure he will have some success at UTEP. I just think UTEP should look be looking for the next Shaka Smart rather than getting coaches in the twighlight of their careers like Mike Price.

As for being in the crosshairs of UTEP fans. That is exactly where I want to be. I want to make them see UTEP athletics from a different perspective. We've been settling for mediocre athletics for too long.

One season with $120 Family Pack does not count. You want to see a big-time product.... You need to support with Big-Time product investment.

You also still didn't name 3 coaches. Shaka Smart is one of 300+ coaches, and VCU only became relecant recently.

Do you really think you are making people see things differently? This is the trolling that I speak of. I think I speak for most, when I say this is either nothing but hot air, or intentionall trolling.

I'm just glad that for each negative fan, we have 3 others who will still attend, when able to.

Actually, I paid $200 for my season tickets last year and only went to 3 games. I couldn't even give those tickets away for free.

Shaka Smart is one coach but there are others like the Gonzaga coach or the coach of Bulter. All have taken mid majors and turned them into multiple year contenders.

I still attend UTEP events. I even went to a basketball game last year. You are entitled you your opinion and I am to mine.

You can call me negative. As a matter of fact, I am. I"m negative because I"m tired of watching other schools get ahead of UTEP while the UTEP fans I see around me settle for a sub par performance and tell others that they should pay top dollar for it because it shows their loyalty.

You can say for every fan like me there is 3 others that are willing to attend but I've been to the games. Let me tell you. UTEP fans aren't attending and plenty of them feel just the same way as I do.

You still didn't name 3 coaches UTEP can hire and retain.

As for UTEP fans not attending, an avge of 29,500 fans per game disagree.

(06-05-2013 01:24 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  You still didn't name 3 coaches UTEP can hire and retain.

As for UTEP fans not attending, an avge of 29,500 fans per game disagree.

At the end of each year, several publications come out with a top ten list of assistants who should get head coaching jobs. I think UTEP should go back to hiring those guys.

If you are happy with 29,500 per game that's fine.

All I know is that there was 50k for the first game and after that, I couldn't give my tickets away.

(06-06-2013 11:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 01:24 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  You still didn't name 3 coaches UTEP can hire and retain.

As for UTEP fans not attending, an avge of 29,500 fans per game disagree.

At the end of each year, several publications come out with a top ten list of assistants who should get head coaching jobs. I think UTEP should go back to hiring those guys.

If you are happy with 29,500 per game that's fine.

All I know is that there was 50k for the first game and after that, I couldn't give my tickets away.

huh? Yeah you went

Of course I went, It was Oklahoma. It isn't everyday that you get to see a team like Oklahoma.

(06-06-2013 11:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course I went, It was Oklahoma. It isn't everyday that you get to see a team like Oklahoma.

If you had gone It was not that hard to see there wasn't 50k

There are a lot of "absolutes" in Fitbud's post. A theme or fact doesn't exist just because you weren't able to give your tickets away to your circle of friends/family/coworkers. Still, there is some merit to the point you tried to make. Losing football teams usually see their attendance go down as the year progresses.

42K+ showed up for the season opener against OK.

20K'ish showed up for the final home game.

Both are solid numbers and so is the attendance average.

Understanding that doesn't mean anyone is "okay" with 29K. I want 50K. There are real reasons in the real world why that didn't happen.

(06-06-2013 11:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(06-05-2013 01:24 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  You still didn't name 3 coaches UTEP can hire and retain.

As for UTEP fans not attending, an avge of 29,500 fans per game disagree.

At the end of each year, several publications come out with a top ten list of assistants who should get head coaching jobs. I think UTEP should go back to hiring those guys.

If you are happy with 29,500 per game that's fine.

All I know is that there was 50k for the first game and after that, I couldn't give my tickets away.

You said people didn't go. 29,500 says they did. You are spinning.

That list of coaches doesn't mean they are automatically winners. Otherwise, they'd all be headcoaches. If you want to hire a new coach every 24 months (with some not doing well, and potentially stuck with them for a while due to contractual terms), then good luck. I'm happy with a proven coach for an extended period. Again, you aren't making a good point, just silly debates without a firm way to back it up.