(05-25-2013 07:48 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:07 PM)Groo Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:43 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Only OK and Kansas have realistic options other than Texas:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/big12/2013/...-on-ou-ku/

The only other schools that could have other options in my opinion are WV (ACC) and OSU (will follow OK). This would cause TX to leave and the rest of the B12 would become a mid-majors conference.

If Kansas is so highly sought after why did they agree to give up their share of Neb/Colorado Big 12 exit money? Because they have no where else to go and needed Texas to stay put. Tech and Oklahoma St didn't give up a dime to keep Texas and OU happy.

You are going to have to ask Delany that one if you can't figure it out, champ.

Just curious, why didn't they add Kansas when they took Nebraska? Why did they take Rutgers and Maryland before Kansas?

That being said, I hope the BIG figures a way to get Kansas out of the GOR and blow this conference up. That will definitely end any discussion about a Big 12 championship game.

Good point.... However, some of the realignment additions make no sense: The PAC added Utah and Colorado, but turned down OK and OSU.

You have to put those moves in context to make sense.

When the PAC 16 move was announced, the 6 invites were going to A&M, OU, UT, TTU, OSU & CU and all 6 were given invites by Larry Scott.

However, word quickly began to circulate that Baylor was up to their old political tricks again and trying to pressure UT into demanding the PAC give Colorado's invite to Baylor instead. (you can read more here: Colorado over Baylor)

Colorado felt threatened enough by this to quickly accept their invite well before any other Big 12 team did to retain their spot in the PAC.

So, when the deal fell apart because UT and Larry Scott couldn't agree on the horn's Tier 3 rights, the PAC was left with CU but none of the other Big 12 schools.

Being at an odd 11 members and having no CTZ teams to add, they picked up BCS buster Utah as a partner to CU and remained at 12.

This all set the stage for why OU and OSU were rejected a year later. The PAC flat out told them "we will not take any other Big 12 teams until and unless UT decides they want to give up LHN and fully join us as well."

(05-25-2013 06:26 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:08 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So? WVU opens the 2014 season against Alabama. Schedules take time to adjust. This crap doesn't just happen overnight...

I'm glad WV is stepping up to the plate. Tell your conference brethren to do the same.

Baylor isn't playing a single team from one of the other major conferences in the next 7 years.

Iowa State is only playing 1 team from the other major conferences in the next 7 years. That's IOWA.

If you check the schedules for the other teams you'll see similar results.

As for the timing, UVA just went out this past summer and signed a deal with Oregon. UNC went and struck a deal with SC. Clemson got a deal with GA. Even Pitt is getting Penn St back on the schedule. It's not as hard as you think.

I could care less what the rest of the conference does. My only concerns are centered around WVU. I don't obsess over the rest of the conference. What they do is their own business...

(05-26-2013 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  BYU and UNLV.

I'm fine with Byu. However UNLV is a school that despite MASSIVE subsidy (iirc half) in their overall budget only has a minuscule football budget (compared to UC, UCF, USF, SMU, UConn) and until that changes I see no reason to look their direction.

Yeah, we'll see how their stadium turns out. I think LV would be a great destination for a BXII basketball tourney and the LV Bowl would probably get a boost with a state of the art stadium.

(05-26-2013 08:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  Yeah, we'll see how their stadium turns out. I think LV would be a great destination for a BXII basketball tourney and the LV Bowl would probably get a boost with a state of the art stadium.

If you like Las Vegas so much, convince the ACC to invite them as a member...

UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

(05-26-2013 08:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  Yeah, we'll see how their stadium turns out. I think LV would be a great destination for a BXII basketball tourney and the LV Bowl would probably get a boost with a state of the art stadium.

I just don't see it. Great destination I get, nice facility possibly being built I get, but no indication that the admin either "gets it" or likely will have the budget to where it matters if they get it.

(05-26-2013 10:22 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:48 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 07:07 PM)Groo Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  If Kansas is so highly sought after why did they agree to give up their share of Neb/Colorado Big 12 exit money? Because they have no where else to go and needed Texas to stay put. Tech and Oklahoma St didn't give up a dime to keep Texas and OU happy.

You are going to have to ask Delany that one if you can't figure it out, champ.

Just curious, why didn't they add Kansas when they took Nebraska? Why did they take Rutgers and Maryland before Kansas?

That being said, I hope the BIG figures a way to get Kansas out of the GOR and blow this conference up. That will definitely end any discussion about a Big 12 championship game.

Good point.... However, some of the realignment additions make no sense: The PAC added Utah and Colorado, but turned down OK and OSU.

You have to put those moves in context to make sense.

When the PAC 16 move was announced, the 6 invites were going to A&M, OU, UT, TTU, OSU & CU and all 6 were given invites by Larry Scott.

However, word quickly began to circulate that Baylor was up to their old political tricks again and trying to pressure UT into demanding the PAC give Colorado's invite to Baylor instead. (you can read more here: Colorado over Baylor)

Colorado felt threatened enough by this to quickly accept their invite well before any other Big 12 team did to retain their spot in the PAC.

So, when the deal fell apart because UT and Larry Scott couldn't agree on the horn's Tier 3 rights, the PAC was left with CU but none of the other Big 12 schools.

Being at an odd 11 members and having no CTZ teams to add, they picked up BCS buster Utah as a partner to CU and remained at 12.

This all set the stage for why OU and OSU were rejected a year later. The PAC flat out told them "we will not take any other Big 12 teams until and unless UT decides they want to give up LHN and fully join us as well."

@ 10thMountain

Thanks for the detailed post and link. However, I was referring to what subsequently happened to OK and OSU after Utah and Colorado joined the PAC 12. As you are aware, the PAC 12 was in a better position to get both schools after the B12 lost four members. Consequently, I don't understand why the PAC 12 was originally interested in Ok and OSU but declined to accept them. I personal think that it was because the consideration for membership occurred after the PAC 12 got a new tv contract. Therefore, it didn't want to split the money 14 ways...

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

I think the Big 12 will look East for expansion with WVU already on board.

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

UNLV to the Pac12 would fill a big hole in their footprint...

(05-24-2013 09:19 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  I know many people dismiss this, but NIU sits within 60 miles of Chicago and has over 200,000 alums in the area. The Orange Bowl was the top rated TV game on New Year's. NIU has a long way to go facilities, budget, and support-wise to measure up against the Big 12, but if the Big 12 added NIU and Cincinnati, WVU would have UC as a partner and Iowa St. would have NIU. Laugh now, but stranger things have happened. NIU had a 50% increase in applications after the OB. Give a couple of years and who knows.

If Illinois State or Missouri State had been FBS for 15 years, either of them could be viable candidates for the Big XII as they would be behind only the flagship for their state (excluding Northwestern since it is private).

I think Arkansas State could be one to watch in 10 years, but they would likely need a stop in C-USA or the American first.

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

UNLV to the Pac12 would fill a big hole in their footprint...

You're right.

(05-27-2013 09:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

UNLV to the Pac12 would fill a big hole in their footprint...

You're right.

But IMO Nevada would be the better choice...

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

UNLV to the Pac12 would fill a big hole in their footprint...

Silly me. I thought the hole in their footprint was between Ames, Iowa and Morgantown, WV. Not in the gray Basin.

I assume you were just being facetious.

(05-27-2013 10:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 09:58 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

UNLV to the Pac12 would fill a big hole in their footprint...

You're right.

But IMO Nevada would be the better choice...

You're killing me with this stuff, Bit. I might get injured falling off the couch. Mercy! Please!

He's talking about the PAC 12.

(05-27-2013 03:31 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 10:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-26-2013 08:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UNLV is unacceptable as they are today, but I strongly suspect that when the next big round of realignment happens in a decade, they'll get a call up from either the B12 or PAC

Provo to Las Vegas is only five hours so they'd be a suitable travel partner. Both schools have a recognizable name too. I think it would be a slam dunk.

I think the Big 12 will look East for expansion with WVU already on board.

Could the better options be in the west?

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/...expansion/

(05-28-2013 08:37 AM)Underdog Wrote:  Could the better options be in the west?

Other than BYU... no.

(05-28-2013 09:48 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(05-28-2013 08:37 AM)Underdog Wrote:  Could the better options be in the west?

Other than BYU... no.

Even they are a stretch with the no-play on Sunday issue. Even if we added them football only, it doesn't help West Virginia. Unfortunately for West Virginia, there are no worthy candidates on the West or East coast.