(05-22-2013 09:28 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  I know that on top of the Regional network, FS has 2 national channels that need programing. CUSA will not lose tons of money.

What people miss from the AAC is that all the relevant teams left and the conference was stripped from the bcs. With out the basketball programs, and replacing BCS football teams with NonAQ, there was no reason to expect to keep their money.

CUSA replaced Non AQ football with Non AQ football. They kept their basketball prowess (WKU and MTSU wash Memphis). It is still pretty much the same profile league. With more sports on National TV instead of regional, CUSA might even increase. Hopefully WKU gets all of our basketball back on to FCS while we are at it.

If you look WKU and Memphis have the same number of NCAA appearances. Memphis has more FF than WKU (MTSU has none). Lil bro brings enough competitiveness to the regular season to justify that statement. Not to mention to mention replacing some dead weight with odu and UNCC. CUSA is shaping up to be hella good. If they could ever pry away a couple of good non football schools **** would get very real.

2013 NCAA tournament WKU/MTSU 0-2, Memphis 1-1
2012 WKU (play-in game) 1-1, Memphis 0-1
2011 Memphis 0-1
2009 WKU 1-1, Memphis 2-1
2008 WKU 2-1, Memphis 5-1
2007 Memphis 3-1
2006 Memphis 3-1
2004 Memphis 1-1
2003 WKU 0-1, Memphis 0-1

Since 2003 MTSU and WKU are 4-6 in the tournament. Memphis is 15-9 Not exactly a wash.

Zero FF between WKU, Middle and Memphis. All were vacated for breaking rules.

(05-23-2013 08:39 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Zero FF between WKU, Middle and Memphis. All were vacated for breaking rules.

While WKU's 71 FF was vacated we still hold two FFs from way back...

(05-23-2013 07:20 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  2013 NCAA tournament WKU/MTSU 0-2, Memphis 1-1
2012 WKU (play-in game) 1-1, Memphis 0-1
2011 Memphis 0-1
2009 WKU 1-1, Memphis 2-1
2008 WKU 2-1, Memphis 5-1
2007 Memphis 3-1
2006 Memphis 3-1
2004 Memphis 1-1
2003 WKU 0-1, Memphis 0-1

Since 2003 MTSU and WKU are 4-6 in the tournament. Memphis is 15-9 Not exactly a wash.

overall NCAA records:

WKU 19-23

Memphis 32-24

MTSU 2-6


100 miles 21-29 (50 units)
Memphis 32-24 (55 units. none for championship game)

I stand by what i said. When you consider ODU (11 appearances) and UNCC (11 appearances and 1 FF). You are also retaining every good program besides memphis. USM, UAB, UTEP are all still there. CUSA basketball will be just as strong if not stronger. It is now a very deep league which should elevate RPI and make the extra bids easier to come by.

C-USA may be a good conference, and is better than the Belt, but without the marquee names like Memphis, it isn't better than before.

First, they added UTSA, North Texas and La Tech. Outside of a play-in game win by UTSA, the first two are 0-7 and La Tech has been nationally relevant since the Karl Malone era.

Florida Atlantic's lone appearance was a one and done in 2002 while FIU's lone appearance was also a one and done in 1995.

For the good teams, Charlotte hasn't made the tournament since 2005, and has won one tourney game this century playing in the better A-10. ODU has made 4 tourney appearances this century, but only one win since the mid-90's. They also won only 5 games this past regular season.

Since 2003, WKU, MTSU, ODU, Charlotte, UTSA, UNT, FAU and FIU have less tourney wins than Memphis. C-USA will be like every other mid-major, some really good teams with some really bad teams. I'd be surprised if they ever get more than one at-large, and think many years the only tourney rep will the the automatic qualifier.

(05-22-2013 09:28 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 09:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 08:54 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 07:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ESPN was a company that was WILDLY profitable, they have invested in many many things seeking new ways to keep those profits at amazingly high levels.

ESPN now is a company that has plowed much of that profit into new rights deals that will have to pay off massively to keep the profit margins. So now they are cutting the investments that aren't contributing high returns.

Note most of the people gone are in technology? That's WatchESPN, ESPN3, ESPN.com and a variety of other ESPN apps, most of which make little money because they are offered for free and supported with banner ads which pay terribly low amounts in mobile right now.

This is NOT good news for cord cutters because it means ESPN is investing less there.

The profit margin game is an ugly future for ESPN.

Let's say they pay a conference $100 million a year and make a $300 million profit from it. If they increase the rights fee to $200 million they have to make $400 million profit just to keep the same amount of profit in raw dollars but they have to increase the profit to $600 million to get the same return on investment.

To keep profit margins up they not only have to increase revenue they need to cut expenses.

If I'm the AAC I'm breathing a sigh of relief I got my deal already.

If I'm Big 10, MWC, MAC, CUSA cutting new TV contracts in 2016 I'm hoping that ESPN's numbers recover or else I'm expense that can be lowered (or in the case of CUSA, an expense that I'm not going to take on).

ESPN still earns insane profits. This is similar to Newspapers. everyone think because of massive layoffs that newspapers are dead. Newspapers continue to earn ridiculous profits, but in order to satisfy stockholders, they have to continue to increase profitability. There is a point where a company maxes out.

As far as CUSA, IDK what this has to do with them, they are with Fox and are not going anywhere. The amount of coverage they get is ridiculous. When FS1 and FS2 get going it will only go up.

You don't know how a change in the marketplace might impact CUSA coming into the next negotiation?

I know that on top of the Regional network, FS has 2 national channels that need programing. CUSA will not lose tons of money.

What people miss from the AAC is that all the relevant teams left and the conference was stripped from the bcs. With out the basketball programs, and replacing BCS football teams with NonAQ, there was no reason to expect to keep their money.

CUSA replaced Non AQ football with Non AQ football. They kept their basketball prowess (WKU and MTSU wash Memphis). It is still pretty much the same profile league. With more sports on National TV instead of regional, CUSA might even increase. Hopefully WKU gets all of our basketball back on to FCS while we are at it.

I can't accept the argument that CUSA is the same (football) just because they replaced NonAQ with NonAQ. The teams that left might not have been national "powers" but they did have national name recognition. They have been replaced with two start up programs (one has national name recognition from basketball) and a couple of FL schools that have no national recognition and poor local following. It's hardly a status quo situation.

From reading the previous posts no great war winners in either conference as far as basketball is concerned.
ESPN certainly has some problems due to negotiations, but they are still in good shape. Huge concern though
for college football attendance in general due partly to the HDTV's that give the home viewer a view of the game
that they justify may be better than attending the games in person. Up to the schools to make sure they are
missing something that the average fan cannot get sitting home watching games.

While the current TV and bowl games are better, the new cusa will have to really step up there game in order to keep the advantage over the new SBC.

Even skeptics are now admitting that cord cutting could be at fault.

http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/cord-cutting-q1-2013/

Target just announced that they are developing a streaming service. This is where our TV content is going. I wonder how long it will take the leagues and teams to notice this. I'll pay to have games from local teams streamed directly to my TV so I don't have to pay for channels I never watch.

I cut the cord in 2008 and between streaming and OTA TV, I've never looked back.

If I could pay a little bit less for the 3-4 channels I want I'd do it. They just want too much money for 300 garbage channels.

Weird Al would be proud of them. Hope it doesn't hurt stadium attendance too much though.

(05-23-2013 10:58 AM)Yosef84 Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 09:28 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 09:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 08:54 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 07:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ESPN was a company that was WILDLY profitable, they have invested in many many things seeking new ways to keep those profits at amazingly high levels.

ESPN now is a company that has plowed much of that profit into new rights deals that will have to pay off massively to keep the profit margins. So now they are cutting the investments that aren't contributing high returns.

Note most of the people gone are in technology? That's WatchESPN, ESPN3, ESPN.com and a variety of other ESPN apps, most of which make little money because they are offered for free and supported with banner ads which pay terribly low amounts in mobile right now.

This is NOT good news for cord cutters because it means ESPN is investing less there.

The profit margin game is an ugly future for ESPN.

Let's say they pay a conference $100 million a year and make a $300 million profit from it. If they increase the rights fee to $200 million they have to make $400 million profit just to keep the same amount of profit in raw dollars but they have to increase the profit to $600 million to get the same return on investment.

To keep profit margins up they not only have to increase revenue they need to cut expenses.

If I'm the AAC I'm breathing a sigh of relief I got my deal already.

If I'm Big 10, MWC, MAC, CUSA cutting new TV contracts in 2016 I'm hoping that ESPN's numbers recover or else I'm expense that can be lowered (or in the case of CUSA, an expense that I'm not going to take on).

ESPN still earns insane profits. This is similar to Newspapers. everyone think because of massive layoffs that newspapers are dead. Newspapers continue to earn ridiculous profits, but in order to satisfy stockholders, they have to continue to increase profitability. There is a point where a company maxes out.

As far as CUSA, IDK what this has to do with them, they are with Fox and are not going anywhere. The amount of coverage they get is ridiculous. When FS1 and FS2 get going it will only go up.

You don't know how a change in the marketplace might impact CUSA coming into the next negotiation?

I know that on top of the Regional network, FS has 2 national channels that need programing. CUSA will not lose tons of money.

What people miss from the AAC is that all the relevant teams left and the conference was stripped from the bcs. With out the basketball programs, and replacing BCS football teams with NonAQ, there was no reason to expect to keep their money.

CUSA replaced Non AQ football with Non AQ football. They kept their basketball prowess (WKU and MTSU wash Memphis). It is still pretty much the same profile league. With more sports on National TV instead of regional, CUSA might even increase. Hopefully WKU gets all of our basketball back on to FCS while we are at it.

I can't accept the argument that CUSA is the same (football) just because they replaced NonAQ with NonAQ. The teams that left might not have been national "powers" but they did have national name recognition. They have been replaced with two start up programs (one has national name recognition from basketball) and a couple of FL schools that have no national recognition and poor local following. It's hardly a status quo situation.

In the grand scheme of national crap giving. Non AQ is made up of Boise, UC, and ~70 other schools....

(05-23-2013 02:19 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  While the current TV and bowl games are better, the new cusa will have to really step up there game in order to keep the advantage over the new SBC.

Well after GaSo wins the rose bowl in 2014 the SBC will have surpassed all of the NonAQ the Big XII, and ACC...Cannot wait to see what kind of new media deal you get then...

CUSA's media rights will continue to be significantly higher than that of the SBC for many years to come. The 3 best programs in the conference are walking out the door. While the fl twins have been down and have drawbacks, they have had as much success as ASU and ULL have had since 2000.

Any of you world beating FCS move ups are going to learn this real fast.

(05-23-2013 02:31 PM)TardisCaptain Wrote:  Even skeptics are now admitting that cord cutting could be at fault.

http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/cord-cutting-q1-2013/

Target just announced that they are developing a streaming service. This is where our TV content is going. I wonder how long it will take the leagues and teams to notice this. I'll pay to have games from local teams streamed directly to my TV so I don't have to pay for channels I never watch.

I cut the cord in 2008 and between streaming and OTA TV, I've never looked back.

Anyone who cuts the cord for a month will never come back to corded tv

I pay a ton of money to cable because I am afraid of missing something important to me.
Do not have as much faith in other systems. Tried Dish and the other satellite at the same time years ago
but just wasn't the same. Maybe streamed to my TV's is the answer.

Many streaming services require a cable subscription. I wonder what that impact will have.

(05-25-2013 11:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  I pay a ton of money to cable because I am afraid of missing something important to me.
Do not have as much faith in other systems. Tried Dish and the other satellite at the same time years ago
but just wasn't the same. Maybe streamed to my TV's is the answer.

Get Netflix and put. An ota antenna on one tv for 2 weeks. Add Hulu and Amazon and believe me you will not miss the cord. About the only difference is streaming some shows on a different night than you're used to. The payoff is the realization at the end of the month that you only paid $20 for tv.

I wonder when ESPN will start offering their channels for pay online and/or offering live streams of games on demand. I would pay a small fee for ESPN3 or College Gameplan.