(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

If you believe in the power of prayer and if you believe that Liberty being in the SBC is the will of the Lord, then you know what you must do.

(05-18-2013 04:15 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

Liberal Crowd? Sure, whatever you want to believe.

I am proud to be labeled a Liberal........and I 've been in the ministry for 40 years.

I've got a few Georgia Southern veteran reviews for ya.

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

If you are bragging about Liberty's academic profile, whether online or in the classroom, and you link a journal to reinforce that, you should read it first. The facts in your document say Liberty had 15,000 graduates and only 850 had 4.0 GPA's (5.6%) and only 268 doctorates (1.7%).

Liberty talks a good game about evangelical christian values, but chases the almighty dollar in the online courses. I don't necessarily blame them, but I do wish they would recognize the contradiction.

Liberty is a diploma mill, plain and simple. Those numbers up there prove that point. The Liberty diploma isn't going to be worth very much.

And to introduce anecdotal evidence that means very little overall (everyone else seems to be doing it), there's a highly-rated sports talk show in the DFW area where a host and former co-worker graduated from Liberty. He tries to distance himself from LU as much as possible.

(05-18-2013 06:29 PM)appstate77 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:15 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

Liberal Crowd? Sure, whatever you want to believe.

I am proud to be labeled a Liberal........and I 've been in the ministry for 40 years.

And I am a conservative and never been a minister.
Really don't think that matters.

(05-18-2013 06:29 PM)appstate77 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:15 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

Liberal Crowd? Sure, whatever you want to believe.

I am proud to be labeled a Liberal........and I 've been in the ministry for 40 years.

I'm okay with Liberals, I consider myself a libertarian as I've grown furious with a lot of the stances of the GOP. With that said, what I've realized is there is a larger contingent of conservatives on the forum than there are liberals, but that is to be expected, as every single school represented in the conference are in states that went red in this last election. My point is that if the Liberty crowd that is pushing for their inclusion in the conference thinks that our schools don't want them because all of the member institutions and fans are "liberal", they're are really more oblivious than I thought.

I also want to point out that liberal doesn't necessarily mean secular or atheist. While most evangelical christians are conservative, most conservatives are not evangelical christians.

(05-18-2013 06:11 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

If you believe in the power of prayer and if you believe that Liberty being in the SBC is the will of the Lord, then you know what you must do.

I find myself touched by your thought provoking and passionate post, and now feel compelled to share a few things about myself:

1. I'm Scotch-Irish, and as we all know the Scotch-Irish are God's chosen people.
2. I'm a God-fearing Recovering Catholic.
3. I'm in Good-Standing with The Almighty.

I've spoken at length with the Lord on the subject of Liberty being in the SBC, and I can say with GREAT certainty . . . that The Almighty has no interest whatsoever in Liberty joining the SBC. That's it . . you can take it to the Bank . . .[/i]His will be done.[/i][/i]

(05-18-2013 08:13 PM)Tuffguy21 Wrote:  I'm okay with Liberals, I consider myself a libertarian as I've grown furious with a lot of the stances of the GOP. With that said, what I've realized is there is a larger contingent of conservatives on the forum than there are liberals, but that is to be expected, as every single school represented in the conference are in states that went red in this last election. My point is that if the Liberty crowd that is pushing for their inclusion in the conference thinks that our schools don't want them because all of the member institutions and fans are "liberal", they're are really more oblivious than I thought.

It's not that they are oblivious. It is that they are lazy. Why try to argue the points someone else makes when it is way easier to make up your own reason and argue against that?

Here's an example:

Texas State will destroy Louisiana on the football field this coming season. Why you ask? Easy. Because I drive a Ford.

If you disagree with my statement, or my reason, you obviously hate America because the sky is blue.

Refute THAT!

I am moving this to General Discussion. I feel that it is not really smack, but the thread has nothing to do with SBC Athletics. If you guys want to debate politics, lets try and keep it out of the SBC board.

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

This is the kind of thing over and over that is hardened my stance against Liberty. The Sun Belt is not liberal.

I was previously a Republican...voted straight Republican on the Presidential ticket until Romney. Generally voted Republican for state and local unless they were freaks. Ronald Reagan, Winthrop Rockefeller and his son Win Paul are the politicians I appreciate.

But I've become a conservo-Libertarian. I'm tired of the erosion of individual rights that both parties support.

In this sense....I believe in LIBERTY

(05-18-2013 09:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

This is the kind of thing over and over that is hardened my stance against Liberty. The Sun Belt is not liberal.

I was previously a Republican...voted straight Republican on the Presidential ticket until Romney. Generally voted Republican for state and local unless they were freaks. Ronald Reagan, Winthrop Rockefeller and his son Win Paul are the politicians I appreciate.

But I've become a conservo-Libertarian. I'm tired of the erosion of individual rights that both parties support.

In this sense....I believe in LIBERTY

I'm from TX and still have a home there and I think lots of Texans including myself are Libertarian. We just want to be left alone and keep our constitutional rights. The GOP and DNC seem to have some perverted version of what that is.

LU is conservative and I do like that but sometimes its a tad much. I'm pro leave people alone and let them be happy. If that's being gay and getting abortions then by all means do it. I'm pro gun and that makes me happy, doesn't mean I think it's right to push that view on other people. I don't want views pushed on me either.

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

It's a nice story, but what does it have to do with joining this(or any other) conference?

(05-18-2013 08:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:11 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

If you believe in the power of prayer and if you believe that Liberty being in the SBC is the will of the Lord, then you know what you must do.

I find myself touched by your thought provoking and passionate post, and now feel compelled to share a few things about myself:

1. I'm Scotch-Irish, and as we all know the Scotch-Irish are God's chosen people.
2. I'm a God-fearing Recovering Catholic.
3. I'm in Good-Standing with The Almighty.

I've spoken at length with the Lord on the subject of Liberty being in the SBC, and I can say with GREAT certainty . . . that The Almighty has no interest whatsoever in Liberty joining the SBC. That's it . . you can take it to the Bank . . .[/i]His will be done.[/i][/i]

I was addressing my remarks to Campaign4Liberty since he comes to this forum every day advocating that we should welcome in LU with open arms and if he was that adamant about it, he should pray about it. After all, they claim to have this strong faith and I just suggested prayer. Sorry, didn't know I'd ruffle anyone's feathers. It's all good.

My point was this -

1. The majority of university presidents are staunch liberals
2. I would guess this is true of the SBC presidents as well
3. If so, as such, they should support a program that allows the underprivileged from diverse backgrounds and low socioeconomic status to receive college degrees. That is unless they're elitist liberals, in which case I would wonder what they're doing in the SBC in the first place.


You say diploma mill, but the reality is that NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CASH TO UPROOT AND GO AWAY TO COLLEGE, and an online program allows them to FURTHER THEIR EDCUCATION WHILE WORKING, RAISING KIDS, OR SERVING IN THE US ARMED FORCES.


Please, look the single mom of two in the eye, who maybe made some mistakes in the past, tell her that Liberty is a diploma mill and her degree doesn't matter, that its worth nothing. Please, tell the active duty serviceman in Afghanistan, who couldn't afford college and enlisted instead, tell him that a Liberty degree is worthless.


Look you are SBC fans....you are not elitist so please, stop with the diploma mill nonsense. Every school has some sort of online program, ours just happens to be scaled a bit larger than others. There are a lot of working class people out there and this degree means a lot to them!!



“I was on active duty when I started my education, and due to my deployments schedule, online was the only way I could get my degree. My degree helped me tremendously in getting my present job. I have been blessed to be a part of Liberty and highly recommend Liberty Online to others.”


David Philips



Stories like these happening daily at Liberty. Diploma mill? Tell that to David Philips or to these 5 active duty servicemen killed this year who would have graduated.

http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...o.php&_rdr

Well played Sir. Tune in next week as Liberty tells us how many cats they have saved from trees. "Surely the Sun Belt isn't anti pet savior"

(05-19-2013 02:45 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  My point was this -

1. The majority of university presidents are staunch liberals
2. I would guess this is true of the SBC presidents as well
3. If so, as such, they should support a program that allows the underprivileged from diverse backgrounds and low socioeconomic status to receive college degrees. That is unless they're elitist liberals, in which case I would wonder what they're doing in the SBC in the first place.


You say diploma mill, but the reality is that NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CASH TO UPROOT AND GO AWAY TO COLLEGE, and an online program allows them to FURTHER THEIR EDCUCATION WHILE WORKING, RAISING KIDS, OR SERVING IN THE US ARMED FORCES.


Please, look the single mom of two in the eye, who maybe made some mistakes in the past, tell her that Liberty is a diploma mill and her degree doesn't matter, that its worth nothing. Please, tell the active duty serviceman in Afghanistan, who couldn't afford college and enlisted instead, tell him that a Liberty degree is worthless.


Look you are SBC fans....you are not elitist so please, stop with the diploma mill nonsense. Every school has some sort of online program, ours just happens to be scaled a bit larger than others. There are a lot of working class people out there and this degree means a lot to them!!



“I was on active duty when I started my education, and due to my deployments schedule, online was the only way I could get my degree. My degree helped me tremendously in getting my present job. I have been blessed to be a part of Liberty and highly recommend Liberty Online to others.”


David Philips



Stories like these happening daily at Liberty. Diploma mill? Tell that to David Philips or to these 5 active duty servicemen killed this year who would have graduated.

http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101...o.php&_rdr

I don't care about the diploma mill thing. I figure if you are accredited, then you are accredited. We aren't talking about the difference between Harvard and DeVry, so really... who cares?

But your incessant preaching about how Liberty has servicemen attending their courses like it is something unique, special or otherwise sets you apart is foolish. Yet again, you are trying to divert attention away from the big issue and say "but look here! focus only on this good thing (or things) and ignore the fact that we allow lunatics to be heads of our schools!"

It's pointless. Again, most everyone agrees on the positives of your university. If you are trying to change minds, repeating like a broken record your positive points won't do it. Address what folks view as a negative, and try to change minds that way. And instead of saying "other schools employ wack jobs too!" and attempting to drag other schools down, try raising your school up by showing where your administration has admonished those leaders and told them that is not the view of Liberty we wish to portray.

(05-19-2013 09:33 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 08:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:11 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

If you believe in the power of prayer and if you believe that Liberty being in the SBC is the will of the Lord, then you know what you must do.

I find myself touched by your thought provoking and passionate post, and now feel compelled to share a few things about myself:

1. I'm Scotch-Irish, and as we all know the Scotch-Irish are God's chosen people.
2. I'm a God-fearing Recovering Catholic.
3. I'm in Good-Standing with The Almighty.

I've spoken at length with the Lord on the subject of Liberty being in the SBC, and I can say with GREAT certainty . . . that The Almighty has no interest whatsoever in Liberty joining the SBC. That's it . . you can take it to the Bank . . .[/i]His will be done.[/i][/i]

I was addressing my remarks to Campaign4Liberty since he comes to this forum every day advocating that we should welcome in LU with open arms and if he was that adamant about it, he should pray about it. After all, they claim to have this strong faith and I just suggested prayer. Sorry, didn't know I'd ruffle anyone's feathers. It's all good.

. . . in no way did you ruffle my feathers . . . was just having some fun, "What's that Lord?" . . . "Liberty is still a NO!" "I hear ya Father." And yes, it's ALL Good!

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

And it still doesn't make your athletics good enough for me to want to associate with you. I don't care how much money you have or want to spend, your programs are currently an RPI disaster and I for one am not willing to throw more jet fuel on the garbage fire that is the conference RPI in many of the conference's sports.

Do you think that the fact that your football program hasn't had much success and is simply not attractive to an FBS conference may have something to do with their mind set? I have absolutely nothing against liberty, they were GSU's first opponent in 1AA, but what has Liberty really done to expect an invite to the SBC? No disrespect intended.