(05-18-2013 01:04 PM)slycat Wrote:  To say something positive, Liberty will have loyal followers for a long time. By being a diploma mill they are creating a massive alumni base that seems to give back. They would be good for the conference in the sense that they will have fan support and money out the ass. JMU has both as well. MSU had fan support for baseball and basketball. Football will come with success. Not sure about their money situation.

Its too bad Liberty had Jerry make them look crazy. I knows he been dead a while but his reputation is still around. But even BYU and Notre Dame are independent and have had flack for their religious beliefs. Yes people want ND but BYU got left out of the mix because of some of their conflicts with playing on Sunday and such.

Liberty's best chance is as an FBS independent. A very hard road but quite possible to follow the paths of Notre Dame and BYU. Based on the back and forth that I've seen during conference realignment I don't believe that Liberty is a good fit with the Sun Belt schools.

We are public secular universities....that generally have budgets on the lower end of the spectrum....that have similar problems and goals.

(05-18-2013 12:49 PM)slycat Wrote:  The only thing I took away from it was that the magazine claims 15,000 people graduated this year but 80% did it all online. We would basically be inviting University of Phoenix to the Sun Belt.

Given both UoP and LU are accredited by two completely different RA bodies (UoP is HLC) and one is for-profit and one is non-profit they couldn't be more different. LU is a SACS school, Baylor is also a SACS school. That's a much better comparison given both are non-profit Private Uni's with religious ties. Also most State Schools/Private Unis offer some form of online class. LU just got the recipe correct on making it lucrative. Other Uni's will need to follow suit to survive given the sharp decline in enrollment year over year.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...t-declines

I'm in the IT field and MOOC's and or Online courses are the future. Lots of schools even use MOOC's as a filtering mechanism but I digress.

Of course one could argue LU courses are easy. But given most people saying that have never attended LU its hard to take it seriously. Its like me saying Texas State is where all the people that didn't get into UT go. I'm from Austin and I hear that all the time. I take it as people being people and basically taking a side even if its not based off factual information.

(05-18-2013 11:25 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 11:11 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's truly amazimg to me that you havent gotten the message yet. There is nothing you can post here that is going to change the perception of Liberty around here. You may think that is unfair, maybe it is unfair, but it is what it is, the majority of the membership here just flat out does not want to hear about Liberty anymore. If we decide we want to hear about the goings on of Liberty and/or Lynchburg, we know where to find you.

But maybe a story such as the honoring of the 5 Liberty online students killed in action this year who would have graduated last week...maybe that will change the mind of just one person. Memorial Day is coming up soon as it were. We have over 800 active duty military in our online program...giving them the skills and the degree to assimilate back into society when they return home. Some may laugh at the online school - it gives people like them a fighting chance to be competitive in the job market.

So we teach creation science - it hasn't stopped the new med school from receiving provisional accreditation and it hasn't stopped the largest hospital system in central Virginia to partner with us to teach these future doctors...another great story among many found in this journal.

Bolded for emphasis.

(05-18-2013 01:12 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 12:49 PM)slycat Wrote:  The only thing I took away from it was that the magazine claims 15,000 people graduated this year but 80% did it all online. We would basically be inviting University of Phoenix to the Sun Belt.

Given both UoP and LU are accredited by two completely different RA bodies (UoP is HLC) and one is for-profit and one is non-profit they couldn't be more different. LU is a SACS school, Baylor is also a SACS school. That's a much better comparison given both are non-profit Private Uni's with religious ties. Also most State Schools/Private Unis offer some form of online class. LU just got the recipe correct on making it lucrative. Other Uni's will need to follow suit to survive given the sharp decline in enrollment year over year.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...t-declines

I'm in the IT field and MOOC's and or Online courses are the future. Lots of schools even use MOOC's as a filtering mechanism but I digress.

Of course one could argue LU courses are easy. But given most people saying that have never attended LU its hard to take it seriously. Its like me saying Texas State is where all the people that didn't get into UT go. I'm from Austin and I hear that all the time. I take it as people being people and basically taking a side even if its not based off factual information.

Well yeah. I mean if I get my MBA I may do it all or part online so I can do it while I work. But 12,000 in one year seems like a lot. I know Texas Sts reputation and its not a fair one. I got into Baylor and A&M but choose Texas St. Really all schools that aren't the big state schools or high end private schools are fall backs in people eyes.

I also think the future of degrees will be online. Which is a shame for undergrad. You learn a lot going to class, living on campus, and interacting with others. Makes the transition to the work force much easier. I know its not an option everyone can make or afford but I think going to all online one day will be the downfall of higher education. You lose the classroom discussion and all that.

I really don't have a huge problem with Liberty but are located far from Texas. I'd rather see MSU.

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

(05-18-2013 01:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 12:29 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I don't really care if LU goes to the SBC. It's not like its the who's who of conferences. It's a upgrade from FCS but given its members seem to leave regularly its more of a transitional FBS conference. No shame in that. Just the way it is. Does anyone really think if App State starts stomping on schools it's going to stick around. Highly doubtful given the SBC isn't exactly lucrative. The SBC pays out roughly $40k in revenue to its current members. Other FBS conferences offer way more.

As far as the military aspect I attend LU and am station at Camp Stone in Afghan right now. LU seems to be popular with military folks and their families. The reason is they discount tuition for all credit hours at all levels. This discount also applies to wives of service members. I don't believe or care about creationism no one I know that attends LU does either. But what I do care about is if a business or University is pro-military. Most people and business/schools aren't. They say they are but in the end won't lift a finger for the people that help defend this great country of ours. LU is pro-military and for that reason alone I admire them.

1) The only chance at all for Liberty to move to FBS is through the Sun Belt Conference. No matter how much more "lucrative" another conference is. Liberty ain't going to it.

2) In order to transition to another league a Sun Belt school has to receive an invitation. Winning has little to do with getting that invitation. Troy University stomped the living daylights out of people on a multi-year run and have gone nowhere. Arkansas State is back to back champs and bowl winner and has no invitation. ULL is an attendance leader that wins games and sets bowl attendance records and has no invitation. ULM is a giant killer and they are going nowhere. App State and Georgia Southern are less likely to transition out of the SBC than Georgia State is.

3) Arkansas State has been on the military friendly list for four years straight. It is the home to the Beck Pride Center providing rehabilitation at no cost to combat-wounded veterans. Liberty has no monopoly on being military-friendly.

Beck Pride Center

Arkansas State sounds wonderful. I never thought LU was the only military friendly school but I don't see most schools being military friendly. In my opinion if another conference wants a SBC school the school more then likely would accept the invite. A factor I'm not consider for this opinion is footprint of said conference. But you should understand the basic concept.

Also the SBC needs to add a 12th member. I'm not implying it should be LU. It just needs to be someone....anyone. From a business perception not having 12 members might make other schools seek out other conferences. It certainly isn't making them more attractive.

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:12 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 12:49 PM)slycat Wrote:  The only thing I took away from it was that the magazine claims 15,000 people graduated this year but 80% did it all online. We would basically be inviting University of Phoenix to the Sun Belt.

Given both UoP and LU are accredited by two completely different RA bodies (UoP is HLC) and one is for-profit and one is non-profit they couldn't be more different. LU is a SACS school, Baylor is also a SACS school. That's a much better comparison given both are non-profit Private Uni's with religious ties. Also most State Schools/Private Unis offer some form of online class. LU just got the recipe correct on making it lucrative. Other Uni's will need to follow suit to survive given the sharp decline in enrollment year over year.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...t-declines

I'm in the IT field and MOOC's and or Online courses are the future. Lots of schools even use MOOC's as a filtering mechanism but I digress.

Of course one could argue LU courses are easy. But given most people saying that have never attended LU its hard to take it seriously. Its like me saying Texas State is where all the people that didn't get into UT go. I'm from Austin and I hear that all the time. I take it as people being people and basically taking a side even if its not based off factual information.

Well yeah. I mean if I get my MBA I may do it all or part online so I can do it while I work. But 12,000 in one year seems like a lot. I know Texas Sts reputation and its not a fair one. I got into Baylor and A&M but choose Texas St. Really all schools that aren't the big state schools or high end private schools are fall backs in people eyes.

I also think the future of degrees will be online. Which is a shame for undergrad. You learn a lot going to class, living on campus, and interacting with others. Makes the transition to the work force much easier. I know its not an option everyone can make or afford but I think going to all online one day will be the downfall of higher education. You lose the classroom discussion and all that.

I really don't have a huge problem with Liberty but are located far from Texas. I'd rather see MSU.

I also think Texas State gets a unfair rep. I love Austin but those UT college kids need to take it down a notch. Its hard to find a car/truck without orange on it...LOL. And 6th Street isn't that awesome.

Online will be the future and also our downfall. I just think you lose out on the social aspects of going to school. Which is important in forming business relationships later in life.

Not sure how LU does it but yeah they do seem to pump out a large amount of grads. I know the IT equipment once bought isn't that expensive. The hard part would be finding enough professor for all the classes. I've never had a Professor with anything less then a PhD or DBA. But like i said I don't really know.

(05-18-2013 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

I'm not sure how veteran-reviewed applies. ASU-Newport is veteran-reviewed and provides nowhere near the support that the ASU main campus provides. Not even close. Does that mean that just mean that some veteran has decided to take time to review it?

If so, it is fairly meaningless.

(05-18-2013 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:49 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Let a few statements from a crazy law professor keep you from having a school like this in your conference? Check out the construction projects and campus master plan. Maybe you'll be so kind as to read the full journal and learn something new about 'ol LU!


http://issuu.com/libertyuniversity/docs/...75/2479534

Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

I'm not sure how veteran-reviewed applies. ASU-Newport is veteran-reviewed and provides nowhere near the support that the ASU main campus provides. Not even close. Does that mean that just mean that some veteran has decided to take time to review it?

If so, it is fairly meaningless.

Yes I realize it was reviewed but you didn't mention it and I figured you were taking about the main campus. Newport isn't part of the SOC network anyways. But is vet reviewed.
Also I trust a vets review over any other form of review. Its not meaningless in the military world.

(05-18-2013 02:19 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:22 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Well my mind is changed LOL.

The funny thing is that you guys come on here and talk about how it's "just an athletics discussion", and how Liberty isn't as political anymore. Then I can't even get past the first page of your link before the right wing political talking points start (not to mention the shots at other universities).

When I open my alumni magazine, I like to read about all the exciting things that are happening at my school and all of the great things fellow graduates are doing. I don't wont to be beaten over the head with not so subtle political messages (from either side).

I don't want to hear about how great it is to promote "free enterprise and limited government". I don't want to hear how objective and truthful Fox News is. I don't want to hear about how the senior class gift is $25,000 to an anti-abortion group because they "refuse to be silent in the face of abortions genocide". I don't want to hear how great our grads are for standing up against the evil ACLU and praying to Jesus at a public high school graduation, or getting a job working for Glen Beck.

There is nothing wrong with having those opinions. I have a problem when a schools mission is to beat everybody over the head with those opinions. It's great they you help people in the military to get an education. That doesn't change what you are, and it doesn't change the fact that there is no way in hell you are getting votes from 11 public schools to join our conference.

Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

I'm not sure how veteran-reviewed applies. ASU-Newport is veteran-reviewed and provides nowhere near the support that the ASU main campus provides. Not even close. Does that mean that just mean that some veteran has decided to take time to review it?

If so, it is fairly meaningless.

Yes I realize it was reviewed but you didn't mention it and I figured you were taking about the main campus. Newport isn't part of the SOC network anyways. But is vet reviewed.
Also I trust a vets review over any other form of review. Its not meaningless in the military world.

A vet's review is not meaningless. But the lack of one is.

(05-18-2013 02:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:19 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Troy is in the top 15% of military-friendly schools.
stAte has the Beck Pride Center and has been on the list for 4-years
Georgia Southern is on the list
App State is on the list

There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

I'm not sure how veteran-reviewed applies. ASU-Newport is veteran-reviewed and provides nowhere near the support that the ASU main campus provides. Not even close. Does that mean that just mean that some veteran has decided to take time to review it?

If so, it is fairly meaningless.

Yes I realize it was reviewed but you didn't mention it and I figured you were taking about the main campus. Newport isn't part of the SOC network anyways. But is vet reviewed.
Also I trust a vets review over any other form of review. Its not meaningless in the military world.

A vet's review is not meaningless. But the lack of one is.

From my view a lack of one shows the school doesn't have a large vet pop. I assume most vets don't review anything. But if the vet pop is large enough someone would review it. Large vet pop might mean the student body as a whole doesn't have a negative view of vets.

He's right, a good glass of iced tea is excellent this time of the year.

And while we are on the subject, we have Sun Belt Conference Baseball and softball in progress this weekend.

(05-18-2013 02:37 PM)CW Fishman Wrote:  He's right, a good glass of iced tea is excellent this time of the year.

And while we are on the subject, we have Sun Belt Conference Baseball and softball in progress this weekend.

LOL..... Nice get back to the subject post.

(05-18-2013 02:29 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:19 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  There are 2,618 Universities and Colleges in the US. Out of those only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed. I didn't include virtual schools. I use http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/mfsList.aspx as my source because the Army Times uses it and I read the Army Times as do other service members. Out for the four schools you listed Georgia Southern isn't veteran reviewed and isn't part of DANTES of the SOC military network. App State is Veteran reviewed but still falls short in the DANTES/SOC department. But I can over look that because its vet reviewed. Troy is good to go all around no shortcomings and vet reviewed. Arkansas State University seems pretty solid no reviews but they are in the DANTES/SOC network.

Not all schools need to be veteran friendly but in a large sea of schools most aren't. LU happens to be one of those schools. And for me personally that is a reason to respect it.

I'm not sure how veteran-reviewed applies. ASU-Newport is veteran-reviewed and provides nowhere near the support that the ASU main campus provides. Not even close. Does that mean that just mean that some veteran has decided to take time to review it?

If so, it is fairly meaningless.

Yes I realize it was reviewed but you didn't mention it and I figured you were taking about the main campus. Newport isn't part of the SOC network anyways. But is vet reviewed.
Also I trust a vets review over any other form of review. Its not meaningless in the military world.

A vet's review is not meaningless. But the lack of one is.

From my view a lack of one shows the school doesn't have a large vet pop. I assume most vets don't review anything. But if the vet pop is large enough someone would review it. Large vet pop might mean the student body as a whole doesn't have a negative view of vets.

That is a really bad assumption. The UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA is not vet reviewed yet ASU-Newport is. The vet population ain't even close.

What those two schools provide ain't even close either.

The point went from this ...

(05-18-2013 12:29 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  ... what I do care about is if a business or University is pro-military.

To this ...

(05-18-2013 02:00 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  ... only 313'ish (may of lost count....LOL) are veteran reviewed.

I think you are fighting a losing battle ark30inf, he will keep moving the goal post.

Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

Liberal Crowd? Sure, whatever you want to believe.

(05-18-2013 04:10 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Liberty had 5 active duty service members killed in action who would have graduated this year. Caps and gowns were placed over 5 chairs, and their names were read aloud by the chancellor as he choked back tears. Who else would do that at graduation for online students? That is the real Liberty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCqOVN4lISo

It starts at 11:10 and goes to about 13:30. Please watch and tell me again how online education is worthless and so forth.

FYI the average age for our online students is 35 years. These people are not 18 year old undergrads "skipping out" on the "college experience." In many cases these people are professionals who simply cannot uproot and do a master's program residentially. You also have a lot who simply could not afford to go away to school and Liberty online offers them a chance to get a degree later in life. Many online students are underprivileged and come from a socioeconomic background that made college a pipedream.

One would think the liberal crowd here would be happy about that?

I hate to be that guy but, people just don't care.