It's up to the House to impeach. The Senate then votes whether to convict or not. So, theoretically (and I don't see it happening, not with what we have now) we could have an impeachment but not a removal from office. Slick willy 2.0

(05-17-2013 01:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  There could be a youtube video of him diddling a cub scout and you wouldn't get a conviction in this Senate.

This. No way, no how does he get removed from office. Frankly, I hope this neuters him into an ineffective (he's already ineffective) president that can't get ANYTHING he wants done. I hope the rest of his party runs from him, but enough get caught up in the stampede away that they lose their gigs.

The impeachment would only fan flames and help him get support. Unless some more egregious stuff comes out, the above is about the best to hope for.

All the scandals are related. Holder is fired. That will be it. To go higher you need to tie something to Axelrod or Jerrett.

(05-17-2013 07:51 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 01:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  There could be a youtube video of him diddling a cub scout and you wouldn't get a conviction in this Senate.

This. No way, no how does he get removed from office. Frankly, I hope this neuters him into an ineffective (he's already ineffective) president that can't get ANYTHING he wants done. I hope the rest of his party runs from him, but enough get caught up in the stampede away that they lose their gigs.

The impeachment would only fan flames and help him get support. Unless some more egregious stuff comes out, the above is about the best to hope for.

The whole nation could probably find out with video and testimonial proof that he was born in Kenya, grew up in a communist KGB school, killed 20 people, and lied about everything, and the Dems would probably still not vote for impeachment in the Senate. But the Repubs should do what they can in the House regardless. Be true to yourself.

Don't fight a battle you can't win.

Do the right thing. Fight any battle you need to fight.
Whether you can win or not, fight it all the way to the end.

Same with sending troops to Benghazi.
Send them. You have no idea how long someone can hold out.
Send them every time. Don't hesitate, don't think about it, send them.

And piss away any good will they have left with the middle in this country.

Let the president spend the next three years looking for a parking space, while the bad news drags on.

Guess you would have evacuated the Alamo.

12% popularity rating with the public don't impress me much.
As Churchill said, during World War II just after Dunkirk when England expected to be invaded:

We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

The Alamo was surrounded.

The Republicans just have to play keep away and let the president twist in the wind.

More words of wisdom, from Napoleon:

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

(05-17-2013 09:59 PM)Smaug Wrote:  The Alamo was surrounded.

The Republicans just have to play keep away and let the president twist in the wind.

More words of wisdom, from Napoleon:

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

Winners never quit, but quitters never win.
Those Texicans knew the Mexican army was coming. That's why they prepared the Alamo.
The Republicans can keep it continuously in the news by passing impeachment proceedings in the House.
Battles are not won by withdrawing from the battlefield.....not even Napoleon.
As of yet, We have not even begun to fight.

(05-17-2013 09:31 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:51 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 01:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  There could be a youtube video of him diddling a cub scout and you wouldn't get a conviction in this Senate.

This. No way, no how does he get removed from office. Frankly, I hope this neuters him into an ineffective (he's already ineffective) president that can't get ANYTHING he wants done. I hope the rest of his party runs from him, but enough get caught up in the stampede away that they lose their gigs.

The impeachment would only fan flames and help him get support. Unless some more egregious stuff comes out, the above is about the best to hope for.

The whole nation could probably find out with video and testimonial proof that he was born in Kenya, grew up in a communist KGB school, killed 20 people, and lied about everything, and the Dems would probably still not vote for impeachment in the Senate. But the Repubs should do what they can in the House regardless. Be true to yourself.

Great. The reichwingers who are all about austerity and cutting spending want to waste millions of dollars on this crap.

(05-17-2013 10:19 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  As of yet, We have not even begun to fight.

You miss the point. Nobody has to. If he's hellbent to implode, get out of his way!

Or, you can impeach, galvanize his diehards (some of whom are already getting a little tired of him), and piss everybody off going into the midterms.

You'll get your ass kicked by people who'll see the election ONLY in terms of keeping/booting the president, and Americans are loathe to let the Senate overturn an election.

And even if a miracle from God happens and you get a conviction (and you won't), what do you win?

Hail to the chief!

(05-18-2013 08:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:19 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  As of yet, We have not even begun to fight.

You miss the point. Nobody has to. If he's hellbent to implode, get out of his way!

Or, you can impeach, galvanize his diehards (some of whom are already getting a little tired of him), and piss everybody off going into the midterms.

You'll get your ass kicked by people who'll see the election ONLY in terms of keeping/booting the president, and Americans are loathe to let the Senate overturn an election.

And even if a miracle from God happens and you get a conviction (and you won't), what do you win?

Hail to the chief!

You win. I agree. Just detest Obama so much, it blinds me.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/1...erica-inc/

Interesting article on Obamas failure to lead.