(05-17-2013 08:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

No one cares about baseball besides the few alums like us on here who are for the most part hardcore fans....LIke I have said in other posts I will always root for the SB besides CUSA, but after reading this board the past month, I am sure glad WKU is gone....Main reason being is you would think basketball is not a sport and does not exist...I realize baseball is going on now, but its like baseball is more important overall to posters on this board than basketball..WKU is and will always be a basketball school and for that reason alone I am thankful we are switching to a conf. that values basketball way more than than this one does....Basketball and the NCAA tournament are still important..And yes I realize football moves and pays the bills, but I am just saying the SB is going to be really bad in basketball for the foreseeable future...THis and FCS startups will set the conf. behind 10 years....(if you add EKU, make that 20 years, haha)..Hopefully we make it 3 straight this upcoming season, I only see ULL standing in our way to accomplish this....

In Football maybe more even but the TV deal for CUSA will bring much more money to CUSA schools for awhile than the meager TV deal the SB currently has...

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

Other than TV contract, which does depend more on football, the NCAA basketball tourney is the greatest source of profit for a conference. No G5 school is getting into the football playoffs. The system is built by the P5 for the P5. The rest is scraps.

The range of football budgets in the SBC for the past year is a high of almost 7 million from South Alabama to a low of 3.8 million from ULM. If you belong in the highest football conference, you get 1.5+ million. In the last conference the payout is 1.2+ million. That doesn't mean much.

WKUFan518 and the others who have mentioned, folks on the board brag about baseball because it is really good. They minimize basketball because they aren't good at it. If it where the other way around, they would brag about basketball and not mention baseball.

(05-17-2013 09:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:42 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

Really?
I agree about ACC football lol but.....
SEC - UK and Florida basketball national championships? Numerous deep runs in tourney by Alabama, Vanderbilt, etc?
Big East football? - Depends upon which "old" Bigeast you're talking about but there were several successful football programs in the Big East over the years....ranked teams, major Bowls, etc.

But.......as i mentioned earlier, I was referring to conferences outside the Big 5/6 conferences.

You can't have it both ways. Either perception rules or reality does. Perception says acc is a great basketball conference, so so football. Perception says SEC is a great football conference, so so basketball.

I'm still perplexed by your "so so basketball" comment about the SEC. Yes, everyone thinks SEC Football first but ask anyone in this nation to list the top basketball conferences and the SEC will almost always be in the top 3 or 4. That's not "so so".

The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

(05-17-2013 11:40 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

At one time it wasn't uncommon for the SBC to get 2 or 3 bids and with a high of 4 bids in 1985-86

The NCAA pays out in units and each unit runs for 6 years.

Getting to the tourney is 1 unit and every win adds another unit so if I'm adding this right in the last 6 years WKU had 8 units

07-08...3
08-09...2
11-12...2
12-13...1

each unit is worth roughly $239,670x8 =$1,917,360 x 6 = $11,504,160

I don't know what the breakdown in the SBC is on the % a school keeps but I'm fairly sure it's not over 50% so WKU alone has brought in $5,752,080 (probably closer to 7 mil...seems like I read that somewhere) for the SBC

There's another 4 units since 07-08 one each for USA, UNT, UALR and the MUTS using the same 50% that's another $2,876,040 from the NCAA Tourney that goes to the SBC for a total of $8,628,120 and it's probably closer to 10 mill because I believe the SBC keeps more than 50%

(05-17-2013 10:40 AM)txstatebobcat Wrote:  2012 was one of the best years for the Sunbelt and, as far as I know, the first year in which the SBC finished ahead of CUSA. With CUSA both losing its strongest teams while taking some of the weakest Sunbelt teams, it is easy to surmise that the SBC will be the stronger of the two conferences for the next 2-3 years. Would this be long enough to change perception of the Sunbelt when comparing them to CUSA, MAC, MWC and AAC? Or do you guys think that we will always be viewed as the lowest tier conference regardless of on the field product.

Sorry if anyone else said this, but no time to read all the posts.

With that said, football may drive the bus but it isn't all that's considered in terms of perception. Basketball matters, and the SBC is the worst FBS hoops conference -- period. Until that changes, CUSA will be perceived as a superior conference.

(05-17-2013 08:23 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:11 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 07:58 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  WKUYG has some valid points. Conference perception (outside of BCS Conferences) is more than just football. Granted, if a conference, year after year, gets a BCS Bowl bid or has repeated major upsets, it can make a difference but typically, the Bowls CUSA and SBC teams will play in are about the same....and for the foreseeable future CUSA has far more Bowl tie-ins. More Bowls means more press. What will really separate one conference from the other in perception by the average fan on the street is year round success. That means...basketball and football. If one conference only gets one men's NCAA tourney bid each year (a 15 or 16 seed) and never makes it past the first round but the other conference gets multiple bids per year and occasionally gets past the first round, that multibid conference's perception among average fans will be far greater and the average man on the street will "recognize" those team names and transfer that perception of basketball success onto the football field. Not sure if I'm making sense but in short, when the average guy on the street hears positive things about programs year round, he's more likely to think it's a better conference than hearing only positive things about a conference during just football season.

Of course, none of this is true of Football only sports fans.

CUSA starts out with a perception advantage based on teams that left and USM. This is true.

But perception dies quickly as soon as casual fans become aware of who is...and who is not CUSA.

Fans channel surfing will see North Texas versus Florida Atlantic on the guide and it will have the same appeal as a North Texas versus Florida Atlantic did last year.

CUSA has several advantages as well as some disadvantages. They have a little bit of a leg up but we really have no idea how this will really turn out.

Because of divisions there won't be a North Texas vs Florida Atlantic game very often. We'll be playing schools that people in Texas know about that are close to us. That will be a game changer for us and our attendance. If CUSA's rivalries develop the way I think they will then there will be more interest in the conference overall. You guys remember that CUSA lost Tulsa, Houston, and ECU which were good schools, but we also lost historical bottom feeders Tulane and SMU.

It's true that LA Tech is only a recent powerhouse and Southern Miss was bad last year, but what people are forgetting is that ULL, Arkansas State, and ULM were not good until two years ago. UNT has been down for a quite a few years now, but once had tons of success. People are so short-sighted that they only remember last year and assume it's how things will always be. ULL, stAte, and ULM could all return to where they used to be in one year just like Troy could return to the top. Because of this, you have to look at other figures such as budget and support to get a feel for the potential of a program. That is what CUSA has done and why they'll be more successful in the longrun.

CUSA knew what they were doing when they chose the programs that they chose. You guys don't seem to have noticed, but you lost your top 3 overall athletic programs. They may not have chosen the top 3 according to this year's football results, but they made the wise decision choosing the historical top 3 overall.

Anything is possible, including UNT remaining mediocre and USM taking several more years to rebuild their program. I agree perception of CUSA will remain greater than the Sun Belt and certain programs are considered better because of the consistant success.

There are no gaurantees of success by simply jumping conference and there are no gaurantees of failure by remianing in the Sun Belt Conference. The question is how long can those remaining in the Sun Belt sustain success.

(05-18-2013 06:41 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  The question is how long can those remaining in the Sun Belt sustain success.

(05-18-2013 07:11 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:41 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  The question is how long can those remaining in the Sun Belt sustain success.

Sorry, I guess I should have mentioned volleyball!

Sand volleyball?
Who has that? Thinking ULM?

I would settle for every other post not alluding to you wanting to leave somehow.

Who mentioned leaving?

(05-18-2013 07:32 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who mentioned leaving?

(05-18-2013 06:41 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  The question is how long can those remaining in the Sun Belt sustain success.

Indirectly implying many things about leaving the Belt.

(05-17-2013 11:40 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

No one cares about baseball besides the few alums like us on here who are for the most part hardcore fans....LIke I have said in other posts I will always root for the SB besides CUSA, but after reading this board the past month, I am sure glad WKU is gone....Main reason being is you would think basketball is not a sport and does not exist...I realize baseball is going on now, but its like baseball is more important overall to posters on this board than basketball..WKU is and will always be a basketball school and for that reason alone I am thankful we are switching to a conf. that values basketball way more than than this one does....Basketball and the NCAA tournament are still important..And yes I realize football moves and pays the bills, but I am just saying the SB is going to be really bad in basketball for the foreseeable future...THis and FCS startups will set the conf. behind 10 years....(if you add EKU, make that 20 years, haha)..Hopefully we make it 3 straight this upcoming season, I only see ULL standing in our way to accomplish this....

In Football maybe more even but the TV deal for CUSA will bring much more money to CUSA schools for awhile than the meager TV deal the SB currently has...

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

Other than TV contract, which does depend more on football, the NCAA basketball tourney is the greatest source of profit for a conference. No G5 school is getting into the football playoffs. The system is built by the P5 for the P5. The rest is scraps.

The range of football budgets in the SBC for the past year is a high of almost 7 million from South Alabama to a low of 3.8 million from ULM. If you belong in the highest football conference, you get 1.5+ million. In the last conference the payout is 1.2+ million. That doesn't mean much.

WKUFan518 and the others who have mentioned, folks on the board brag about baseball because it is really good. They minimize basketball because they aren't good at it. If it where the other way around, they would brag about basketball and not mention baseball.

(05-17-2013 09:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:42 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

Really?
I agree about ACC football lol but.....
SEC - UK and Florida basketball national championships? Numerous deep runs in tourney by Alabama, Vanderbilt, etc?
Big East football? - Depends upon which "old" Bigeast you're talking about but there were several successful football programs in the Big East over the years....ranked teams, major Bowls, etc.

But.......as i mentioned earlier, I was referring to conferences outside the Big 5/6 conferences.

You can't have it both ways. Either perception rules or reality does. Perception says acc is a great basketball conference, so so football. Perception says SEC is a great football conference, so so basketball.

I'm still perplexed by your "so so basketball" comment about the SEC. Yes, everyone thinks SEC Football first but ask anyone in this nation to list the top basketball conferences and the SEC will almost always be in the top 3 or 4. That's not "so so".

The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

I agree that is why the Sun Belt the last 10 years in basketball has never really been great and more and more every season, schools could care less about basketball....Basketball should be valued a lot more than the SB has ever valued it....I am not saying CUSA is the former Big East but history tends to repeat itself and UAB, ODU, Charlotte, La. Tech have all had successful programs in the past and no reason to not think they will get back to that level or close in near future...I will go out on a limb and say this past season of SB getting two teams in big dance is over for awhile...CUSA will be a two bid league at least moving forward..

(05-18-2013 09:00 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:40 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

No one cares about baseball besides the few alums like us on here who are for the most part hardcore fans....LIke I have said in other posts I will always root for the SB besides CUSA, but after reading this board the past month, I am sure glad WKU is gone....Main reason being is you would think basketball is not a sport and does not exist...I realize baseball is going on now, but its like baseball is more important overall to posters on this board than basketball..WKU is and will always be a basketball school and for that reason alone I am thankful we are switching to a conf. that values basketball way more than than this one does....Basketball and the NCAA tournament are still important..And yes I realize football moves and pays the bills, but I am just saying the SB is going to be really bad in basketball for the foreseeable future...THis and FCS startups will set the conf. behind 10 years....(if you add EKU, make that 20 years, haha)..Hopefully we make it 3 straight this upcoming season, I only see ULL standing in our way to accomplish this....

In Football maybe more even but the TV deal for CUSA will bring much more money to CUSA schools for awhile than the meager TV deal the SB currently has...

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

Other than TV contract, which does depend more on football, the NCAA basketball tourney is the greatest source of profit for a conference. No G5 school is getting into the football playoffs. The system is built by the P5 for the P5. The rest is scraps.

The range of football budgets in the SBC for the past year is a high of almost 7 million from South Alabama to a low of 3.8 million from ULM. If you belong in the highest football conference, you get 1.5+ million. In the last conference the payout is 1.2+ million. That doesn't mean much.

WKUFan518 and the others who have mentioned, folks on the board brag about baseball because it is really good. They minimize basketball because they aren't good at it. If it where the other way around, they would brag about basketball and not mention baseball.

(05-17-2013 09:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:42 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Really?
I agree about ACC football lol but.....
SEC - UK and Florida basketball national championships? Numerous deep runs in tourney by Alabama, Vanderbilt, etc?
Big East football? - Depends upon which "old" Bigeast you're talking about but there were several successful football programs in the Big East over the years....ranked teams, major Bowls, etc.

But.......as i mentioned earlier, I was referring to conferences outside the Big 5/6 conferences.

You can't have it both ways. Either perception rules or reality does. Perception says acc is a great basketball conference, so so football. Perception says SEC is a great football conference, so so basketball.

I'm still perplexed by your "so so basketball" comment about the SEC. Yes, everyone thinks SEC Football first but ask anyone in this nation to list the top basketball conferences and the SEC will almost always be in the top 3 or 4. That's not "so so".

The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

I agree that is why the Sun Belt the last 10 years in basketball has never really been great and more and more every season, schools could care less about basketball....Basketball should be valued a lot more than the SB has ever valued it....I am not saying CUSA is the former Big East but history tends to repeat itself and UAB, ODU, Charlotte, La. Tech have all had successful programs in the past and no reason to not think they will get back to that level or close in near future...I will go out on a limb and say this past season of SB getting two teams in big dance is over for awhile...CUSA will be a two bid league at least moving forward..

I don't think the SBC will lose that much ground in basketball as you think. Texas State has made a statement about basketball by hiring Danny Kaspar. We will have your spot in the near future after leaving the SBC. We will see you in the NCAA's real soon.

(05-18-2013 09:46 PM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:00 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:40 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

No one cares about baseball besides the few alums like us on here who are for the most part hardcore fans....LIke I have said in other posts I will always root for the SB besides CUSA, but after reading this board the past month, I am sure glad WKU is gone....Main reason being is you would think basketball is not a sport and does not exist...I realize baseball is going on now, but its like baseball is more important overall to posters on this board than basketball..WKU is and will always be a basketball school and for that reason alone I am thankful we are switching to a conf. that values basketball way more than than this one does....Basketball and the NCAA tournament are still important..And yes I realize football moves and pays the bills, but I am just saying the SB is going to be really bad in basketball for the foreseeable future...THis and FCS startups will set the conf. behind 10 years....(if you add EKU, make that 20 years, haha)..Hopefully we make it 3 straight this upcoming season, I only see ULL standing in our way to accomplish this....

In Football maybe more even but the TV deal for CUSA will bring much more money to CUSA schools for awhile than the meager TV deal the SB currently has...

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

Other than TV contract, which does depend more on football, the NCAA basketball tourney is the greatest source of profit for a conference. No G5 school is getting into the football playoffs. The system is built by the P5 for the P5. The rest is scraps.

The range of football budgets in the SBC for the past year is a high of almost 7 million from South Alabama to a low of 3.8 million from ULM. If you belong in the highest football conference, you get 1.5+ million. In the last conference the payout is 1.2+ million. That doesn't mean much.

WKUFan518 and the others who have mentioned, folks on the board brag about baseball because it is really good. They minimize basketball because they aren't good at it. If it where the other way around, they would brag about basketball and not mention baseball.

(05-17-2013 09:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  You can't have it both ways. Either perception rules or reality does. Perception says acc is a great basketball conference, so so football. Perception says SEC is a great football conference, so so basketball.

I'm still perplexed by your "so so basketball" comment about the SEC. Yes, everyone thinks SEC Football first but ask anyone in this nation to list the top basketball conferences and the SEC will almost always be in the top 3 or 4. That's not "so so".

The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

I agree that is why the Sun Belt the last 10 years in basketball has never really been great and more and more every season, schools could care less about basketball....Basketball should be valued a lot more than the SB has ever valued it....I am not saying CUSA is the former Big East but history tends to repeat itself and UAB, ODU, Charlotte, La. Tech have all had successful programs in the past and no reason to not think they will get back to that level or close in near future...I will go out on a limb and say this past season of SB getting two teams in big dance is over for awhile...CUSA will be a two bid league at least moving forward..

I don't think the SBC will lose that much ground in basketball as you think. Texas State has made a statement about basketball by hiring Danny Kaspar. We will have your spot in the near future after leaving the SBC. We will see you in the NCAA's real soon.

. .. From your lips to God's ears, my Bobcat brother . . . .

Good luck..haha

(05-18-2013 09:46 PM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:00 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:40 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:29 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Many think that a conference strong in football or basketball is not normally strong in the other.
That is the way I perceive the ACC: Strong in basketball, so-so in football
Think of the SEC: Strong in football, not great normally in basketball
The old Big East: Strong in basketball, normally weak in football
Could go on and on.
If we have one thing I hope we are strong in it's football. Would hope basketball also, but definitely baseball will be strong.

No one cares about baseball besides the few alums like us on here who are for the most part hardcore fans....LIke I have said in other posts I will always root for the SB besides CUSA, but after reading this board the past month, I am sure glad WKU is gone....Main reason being is you would think basketball is not a sport and does not exist...I realize baseball is going on now, but its like baseball is more important overall to posters on this board than basketball..WKU is and will always be a basketball school and for that reason alone I am thankful we are switching to a conf. that values basketball way more than than this one does....Basketball and the NCAA tournament are still important..And yes I realize football moves and pays the bills, but I am just saying the SB is going to be really bad in basketball for the foreseeable future...THis and FCS startups will set the conf. behind 10 years....(if you add EKU, make that 20 years, haha)..Hopefully we make it 3 straight this upcoming season, I only see ULL standing in our way to accomplish this....

In Football maybe more even but the TV deal for CUSA will bring much more money to CUSA schools for awhile than the meager TV deal the SB currently has...

I would say in a conference this size, the basketball money from the NCAA tourney is the greatest bang for the buck. Football costs a butt load to produce whereas basketball needs a very small fraction of that.

Over a million (1.4 I believe) goes to the conference for one basketball tourney game versus the meager payout from bowls for a lot of expense. And that's if you don't win a game. Get two schools in or win one game and the money doubles. If my amount is accurate, Florida Gulf Coast scored 3.2 million for the A-Sun.

Other than TV contract, which does depend more on football, the NCAA basketball tourney is the greatest source of profit for a conference. No G5 school is getting into the football playoffs. The system is built by the P5 for the P5. The rest is scraps.

The range of football budgets in the SBC for the past year is a high of almost 7 million from South Alabama to a low of 3.8 million from ULM. If you belong in the highest football conference, you get 1.5+ million. In the last conference the payout is 1.2+ million. That doesn't mean much.

WKUFan518 and the others who have mentioned, folks on the board brag about baseball because it is really good. They minimize basketball because they aren't good at it. If it where the other way around, they would brag about basketball and not mention baseball.

(05-17-2013 09:05 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:54 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  You can't have it both ways. Either perception rules or reality does. Perception says acc is a great basketball conference, so so football. Perception says SEC is a great football conference, so so basketball.

I'm still perplexed by your "so so basketball" comment about the SEC. Yes, everyone thinks SEC Football first but ask anyone in this nation to list the top basketball conferences and the SEC will almost always be in the top 3 or 4. That's not "so so".

The Pac-12 is known as the conference of champions because they win national championships in all sports. I think GoApps70 analogy is done through the eyes that football is the most important sport and nothing else matters lens. The SEC was down in basketball this year and four teams made it to the dance (Kentucky wasn't one of them). We'd be losing all our bowel controls if the SBC got four teams in.

I agree that is why the Sun Belt the last 10 years in basketball has never really been great and more and more every season, schools could care less about basketball....Basketball should be valued a lot more than the SB has ever valued it....I am not saying CUSA is the former Big East but history tends to repeat itself and UAB, ODU, Charlotte, La. Tech have all had successful programs in the past and no reason to not think they will get back to that level or close in near future...I will go out on a limb and say this past season of SB getting two teams in big dance is over for awhile...CUSA will be a two bid league at least moving forward..

I don't think the SBC will lose that much ground in basketball as you think. Texas State has made a statement about basketball by hiring Danny Kaspar. We will have your spot in the near future after leaving the SBC. We will see you in the NCAA's real soon.

You just lost three of your 4 historically strong teams in this conference. USA is all you got. Until your bottom feeders figure out a way to beat the rpi killers in ooc and help the league by lifting the rpi, this conference will almost never get two bids. This year MT ran roughshod through the year, lost the conference and almost sat at home. The only reason WKU got in was because Davis cannot coach in march. Most years you are going to get a seed between 13 and 16. that is just facts.

(05-18-2013 10:00 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Good luck..haha

So you are saying that WKU is going to a basketball conference where their basketball team may become irrelevant? Good luck..

(05-18-2013 10:06 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 10:00 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Good luck..haha

So you are saying that WKU is going to a basketball conference where their basketball team may become irrelevant? Good luck..

Actually we are pretty much just rejoining the Sun Belt of 1980s. Which was a damn good conference. Who is to say that App is not joining a football conference where your football will stay irrelevant.

Some of us (read: TXST) don't talk about BB because, well, we haven't had a good team in so long.

Honestly, my boss asked me once if TXST had a BB team. I straight faced sad no, oh, ok, we have guys that put on BB uniforms and throw the ball around but.............

Our best men's sport, over the long haul, has been baseball. Our only real recognition has been such and, therefore, we look forward to, and talk about, our baseball team far more than the product that hits Strahan Coliseum every year.

This will hopefully change in the next 2-3 years but, for now, we'll keep our eyes more on the diamond than the court.

(05-18-2013 10:20 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Some of us (read: TXST) don't talk about BB because, well, we haven't had a good team in so long.

Honestly, my boss asked me once if TXST had a BB team. I straight faced sad no, oh, ok, we have guys that put on BB uniforms and throw the ball around but.............

Our best men's sport, over the long haul, has been baseball. Our only real recognition has been such and, therefore, we look forward to, and talk about, our baseball team far more than the product that hits Strahan Coliseum every year.

This will hopefully change in the next 2-3 years but, for now, we'll keep our eyes more on the diamond than the court.

Correct me if I am wrong, was once, but UNT does NOT have a baseball team.....correct?