(05-16-2013 09:30 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:27 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:42 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  All signs are pointing to no....The conference presidents cant come to an agreement from what I know.

With such negative potential coming out of NMSU and with Idaho's circumstances we need to be moving quickly. This with the need for long term stability, Liberty get's the nod before the June deadline. You heard it here first. The power players are in place with much potential among the rest. Liberty is the answer. For those who hate. Get over it. The upside is too significant. Welcome Liberty U.

Liberty is the answer .. . REALLY? ?? Put the Crack pipe down . . . . Yours could quite possibly be the dumbest post of the year . . . . I'd rather go INDY than be in a conference with Liberty . . . .
For a conference struggling to change/improve its perception, Liberty would be the Kiss of DEATH . . . . MHO

Yeah, cause being Independent will work out so will for low level FBS teams.

. . .who are you? . . . and what exactly do you have to do with this conference? . . . .. ooooooooooohhh yea, N-O-T-H-I-N-G ... . .

(05-16-2013 09:36 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:30 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:27 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:42 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  All signs are pointing to no....The conference presidents cant come to an agreement from what I know.

With such negative potential coming out of NMSU and with Idaho's circumstances we need to be moving quickly. This with the need for long term stability, Liberty get's the nod before the June deadline. You heard it here first. The power players are in place with much potential among the rest. Liberty is the answer. For those who hate. Get over it. The upside is too significant. Welcome Liberty U.

Liberty is the answer .. . REALLY? ?? Put the Crack pipe down . . . . Yours could quite possibly be the dumbest post of the year . . . . I'd rather go INDY than be in a conference with Liberty . . . .
For a conference struggling to change/improve its perception, Liberty would be the Kiss of DEATH . . . . MHO

Yeah, cause being Independent will work out so will for low level FBS teams.

. . .who are you? . . . and what exactly do you have to do with this conference? . . . .. ooooooooooohhh yea, N-O-T-H-I-N-G ... . .

Great response. Really addresses the inane thought of being an Independent. I bow to your keen intellect.

Brokeback Flamer, count me along with the many posters on the forum who wish you would just bow OUT.

(05-16-2013 09:39 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:36 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:30 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:27 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:42 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  With such negative potential coming out of NMSU and with Idaho's circumstances we need to be moving quickly. This with the need for long term stability, Liberty get's the nod before the June deadline. You heard it here first. The power players are in place with much potential among the rest. Liberty is the answer. For those who hate. Get over it. The upside is too significant. Welcome Liberty U.

Liberty is the answer .. . REALLY? ?? Put the Crack pipe down . . . . Yours could quite possibly be the dumbest post of the year . . . . I'd rather go INDY than be in a conference with Liberty . . . .
For a conference struggling to change/improve its perception, Liberty would be the Kiss of DEATH . . . . MHO

Yeah, cause being Independent will work out so will for low level FBS teams.

. . .who are you? . . . and what exactly do you have to do with this conference? . . . .. ooooooooooohhh yea, N-O-T-H-I-N-G ... . .

Great response. Really addresses the inane thought of being an Independent. I bow to your keen intellect.

Good Gawd, (You don't mind me bringing up Gawd Do ya?) What's it gonna take to make you people go away? You're not wanted . . . it's been made CRYSTAL clear, and yet . . .like a jilted love struck pup . . .you continue to come here and beg, groval, plead for a seat at the Sun Belt table . .. Have YOU people NO PRIDE? Surely there's another conference you can "stalk." BTW: Thanks for the recognition of my keen intellect . . . Good Night NOW . . .

(05-16-2013 09:17 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:52 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:35 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Will there be a school added to the SBC for the 2014 season or will Benson and company decide to procrastinate?

I hope not. We don't need any more crappy schools just for the sake or adding more schools. Wait until a school with a decent athletic program comes calling. I want us to have a conference championship game too, but I wouldn't be proud to win a conference championship if only 4 or 5 teams in the whole conference are decent.

You guys cannot even keep a coach. Why do run them all off, losing one game means auto-good-bye?

We hire guys that schools like Ole Miss and Auburn are willing to pay $1.4 million or $2.3 million a year to.

(05-16-2013 06:42 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 06:21 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  All signs are pointing to no....The conference presidents cant come to an agreement from what I know.

With such negative potential coming out of NMSU and with Idaho's circumstances we need to be moving quickly. This with the need for long term stability, Liberty get's the nod before the June deadline. You heard it here first. The power players are in place with much potential among the rest. Liberty is the answer. For those who hate. Get over it. The upside is too significant. Welcome Liberty U.

Those that hate are those in the Liberty U administration. They discriminate. They make fools of themselves on almost a weekly basis. Nothing in the Bible commands them to call pro-life, Republican Senators cockroaches on national radio because that senator supports marriage equality. Nothing in the Bible compells them to discriminate in hiring or admissions or IN THEIR ATHLETIC PROGRAM. They aren't Notre Dame. They're far worse. They have sunk below Oral Roberts and Bob Jones in the reputational field. It has nothing to do with Liberty's internal beliefs. It has everything to do with the administration of Liberty's repeated behavior that is completely offensive to many members of the Sun Belt community and isn't supported by any rational understanding of Christianity. Not all members of the Liberty community support their administration. But so long as the administration continues to tolerate offensive behavior by its leaders, then we will continue to see them as, prima facie, unfit as a partner.

Liberty deserves its reputation. It has earned it. It continues to earn it.

You just joined this conference. Its not time for you guys to demand anything. Or to call us 'haters' because we don't take a school that discriminates. Fundamentalist Christians can and do participate at all levels at every Sun Belt school. As they should. But we expect that Gays, Athiests, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., should be able to participate at all levels at every Sun Belt school too.

(05-16-2013 08:40 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Couldn't the Sun Belt have given JMU an ultimatum with a time limit by next Friday? If JMU says no, than the spot is filled by Liberty, and the Sun Belt door closes to JMU?

JMU's door may already be closed.

I'm inclined to agree. They can go have their study and sit in FCS at this point. I'm a fan of South Alabama, and I'm leaning towards Jax State (and their bid is VERY problematic) over JMU. At least JSU wants to be in the Sun Belt.

At a minimum, JMU should have to sign a 5 year GOR for FBS football to join

(05-16-2013 09:54 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:39 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:36 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:30 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 09:27 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:   Liberty is the answer .. . REALLY? ?? Put the Crack pipe down . . . . Yours could quite possibly be the dumbest post of the year . . . . I'd rather go INDY than be in a conference with Liberty . . . .
For a conference struggling to change/improve its perception, Liberty would be the Kiss of DEATH . . . . MHO

Yeah, cause being Independent will work out so will for low level FBS teams.

. . .who are you? . . . and what exactly do you have to do with this conference? . . . .. ooooooooooohhh yea, N-O-T-H-I-N-G ... . .

Great response. Really addresses the inane thought of being an Independent. I bow to your keen intellect.

Good Gawd, (You don't mind me bringing up Gawd Do ya?) What's it gonna take to make you people go away? You're not wanted . . . it's been made CRYSTAL clear, and yet . . .like a jilted love struck pup . . .you continue to come here and beg, groval, plead for a seat at the Sun Belt table . .. Have YOU people NO PRIDE? Surely there's another conference you can "stalk." BTW: Thanks for the recognition of my keen intellect . . . Good Night NOW . . .

Yet you continue to attack the messenger rather then defend your statement. Further, you fail to even realize that the messenger doesn't come from Liberty. You must take tips from Jay Carney in issue avoidance.
Why would it be smarter to destroy your program going Indy then keeping it alive by playing in a conf withLU? At least JMU has a reason, not that I agree with it, based in solid thinking.

here we go again with the " Liberty's admin hates people..." when are you going to realize that the admin says stupid things just as everyone says stupid things.... also just because one admin says one thing does not mean we agree with what they say... stop hatting

(05-16-2013 11:22 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  here we go again with the " Liberty's admin hates people..." when are you going to realize that the admin says stupid things just as everyone says stupid things.... also just because one admin says one thing does not mean we agree with what they say... stop hatting

I'm not saying you, personally, agree with what your administration is saying or advocating. But the fact remains that you have the Dean of your Law School running around making a fool of himself and your University. The fact that they University has taken no visible action whatsoever to ensure that the Dean of the Law School doesn't ruin you guys' reputation isn't helping. Staver is not some low-level, untenured adjunct professor. He is the Dean of your Law School. And you should know that the rot over there goes far beyond one statement. Its ongoing.

Beyond Staver and Barber, the issue remains the fact that Liberty discriminates. Fundamentalist Christians can and do contribute to the success of every Sun Belt school as students, alumni, athletes, professors and staff. Just as we do not discriminate in our admissions, hiring or extra curricular policies against Fundamentalist Christians, we expect that our member institutions do not discriminate on the basis of race, age, RELIGION (Liberty discriminates here), national origin, sexual orientation (Liberty discriminates here), mainstream political viewpoint (Liberty has tried to discriminate here), gender, or other class.

You guys aren't a fit for us. Its not hate from us. Its your policies. And your administration.

(05-16-2013 11:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:22 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  here we go again with the " Liberty's admin hates people..." when are you going to realize that the admin says stupid things just as everyone says stupid things.... also just because one admin says one thing does not mean we agree with what they say... stop hatting

I'm not saying you, personally, agree with what your administration is saying or advocating. But the fact remains that you have the Dean of your Law School running around making a fool of himself and your University. The fact that they University has taken no visible action whatsoever to ensure that the Dean of the Law School doesn't ruin you guys' reputation isn't helping. Staver is not some low-level, untenured adjunct professor. He is the Dean of your Law School. And you should know that the rot over there goes far beyond one statement. Its ongoing.

Beyond Staver and Barber, the issue remains the fact that Liberty discriminates. Fundamentalist Christians can and do contribute to the success of every Sun Belt school as students, alumni, athletes, professors and staff. Just as we do not discriminate in our admissions, hiring or extra curricular policies against Fundamentalist Christians, we expect that our member institutions do not discriminate on the basis of race, age, RELIGION (Liberty discriminates here), national origin, sexual orientation (Liberty discriminates here), mainstream political viewpoint (Liberty has tried to discriminate here), gender, or other class.

You guys aren't a fit for us. Its not hate. Its your policies. And your administration.

So Liberty is being denied entry into an athletic conference because of standing up for what they believe in. IE Biblical marriage, and there Biblical principles. Liberty is far from perfect but isnt everyone far from perfect

(05-16-2013 11:50 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  So Liberty is being denied entry into an athletic conference because of standing up for what they believe in. IE Biblical marriage, and there Biblical principles. Liberty is far from perfect but isnt everyone far from perfect

Why does Liberty deserve a chance?

Why should people overlook the absurdity of your administration, or more to the point, endorse it by associating with it?

(05-16-2013 11:50 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  So Liberty is being denied entry into an athletic conference because of standing up for what they believe in. IE Biblical marriage, and there Biblical principles. Liberty is far from perfect but isnt everyone far from perfect

I really hope you are not an actual Liberty student..hopefully just a troll. I may piss people off here on these boards but at the very least I know the difference between "there" and "their" and I form coherent sentences. Please, proofread your banter before posting. You embarrass us.


Tom - As a private religious school we're allowed to hire only faculty and staff who adhere to our doctrinal statement. That is only logical my good friend. A Jewish university is only going to hire their own and so forth. Same with a Muslim university...no harm here. Staver and Barber are idiots, we know that. @brandonambro ... A gay student here at LU. Look him up. Talk to him. Get to know the real Liberty University. We don't hate. Instead of reading rightwingwatch why don't you ask people that actually went here?

(05-16-2013 11:22 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  here we go again with the " Liberty's admin hates people..." when are you going to realize that the admin says stupid things just as everyone says stupid things.... also just because one admin says one thing does not mean we agree with what they say... stop hatting

Right now, Liberty Counsel is defending the advocates of Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill. The bill in question mandates prison (and in some cases THE DEATH PENALTY) for the crime of existing. http://www.politicalresearch.org/scott-l...back-home/

For the record, Mat Staver, is both the head of Liberty Counsel and the DEAN of the Liberty School of Law.

Then there is the Lisa Miller saga. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/15...e-country# International Child Abduction? Really?

This isn't about Gay marriage. It goes far beyond that.

(05-17-2013 12:06 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:50 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  So Liberty is being denied entry into an athletic conference because of standing up for what they believe in. IE Biblical marriage, and there Biblical principles. Liberty is far from perfect but isnt everyone far from perfect

I really hope you are not an actual Liberty student..hopefully just a troll. I may piss people off here on these boards but at the very least I know the difference between "there" and "their" and I form coherent sentences. Please, proofread your banter before posting. You embarrass us.


Tom - As a private religious school we're allowed to hire only faculty and staff who adhere to our doctrinal statement. That is only logical my good friend. A Jewish university is only going to hire their own and so forth. Same with a Muslim university...no harm here. Staver and Barber are idiots, we know that. @brandonambro ... A gay student here at LU. Look him up. Talk to him. Get to know the real Liberty University. We don't hate. Instead of reading rightwingwatch why don't you ask people that actually went here?

I get that not everyone at LU is some raving homophobe. But unfortunately, there is a problem in your law school. A very bad problem. And your administration apparently doesn't care.

How can Brandon be a theology student at LU and be Gay? Is he ex-gay now and/or feel that Gays should be lifelong celebates? That would change my opinion of his statement dramatically.

I don't accept your arguments regarding discrimination. I don't accept that from Liberty or from Yeshiva (which is, I believe, the only Jewish university in the USA that isn't a free standing rabbinical institute). I'm fine with both discriminating in the THEOLOGY professorial department, but beyond that, I don't see any reason for the discrimination. I see it as wrong. And I don't want to be associated with it.

I think it comes down to a fit. Liberty is a private school that discriminates against many. The Sun Belt is a community of PUBLIC schools that do not discriminate.

Seriously... enough about Liberty.

I think (am I allowed to do that on a message board?) much of the urgency of getting to 12, has to do with money. No we don't get more money per team via payouts if we have 12. But, the SBC TV contract is currently signed through 2020. The ONLY way (that to my limited knowledge I'm aware of) to get a renegotiation, which potentially means more $, is to have a Conference Championship Game added to the normal schedule.

I agree with most everyone else on here that for strength of conference we need to wait, but we know that money and power is what drives NCAA football... so guess it just depends on what we want more of at this point.

P.S. - This was not MY argument I actually took it from our own message board, I just thought it was valid point. Oh, and I also want to WKU for leaving, but I honestly can't blame them.

(05-16-2013 10:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:40 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 08:32 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Couldn't the Sun Belt have given JMU an ultimatum with a time limit by next Friday? If JMU says no, than the spot is filled by Liberty, and the Sun Belt door closes to JMU?

JMU's door may already be closed.

I'm inclined to agree. They can go have their study and sit in FCS at this point. I'm a fan of South Alabama, and I'm leaning towards Jax State (and their bid is VERY problematic) over JMU. At least JSU wants to be in the Sun Belt.

At a minimum, JMU should have to sign a 5 year GOR for FBS football to join

JMU stands to forfeit over $2 million in NCAA and conference payouts if it declares a conference move before July 1 of this year. A mid-sized public university that relies on state funds would be foolish to foresake that income, which would cover exit and entrance fees and help with transition costs, absent careful calculation of the university's ability to afford such costs, or a deep-pocketed downer.

(05-17-2013 12:06 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 11:50 PM)libertydeservesachance Wrote:  So Liberty is being denied entry into an athletic conference because of standing up for what they believe in. IE Biblical marriage, and there Biblical principles. Liberty is far from perfect but isnt everyone far from perfect

I really hope you are not an actual Liberty student..hopefully just a troll. I may piss people off here on these boards but at the very least I know the difference between "there" and "their" and I form coherent sentences. Please, proofread your banter before posting. You embarrass us.


Tom - As a private religious school we're allowed to hire only faculty and staff who adhere to our doctrinal statement. That is only logical my good friend. A Jewish university is only going to hire their own and so forth. Same with a Muslim university...no harm here. Staver and Barber are idiots, we know that. @brandonambro ... A gay student here at LU. Look him up. Talk to him. Get to know the real Liberty University. We don't hate. Instead of reading rightwingwatch why don't you ask people that actually went here?

really you are going to hate my post and hope I am not a real Liberty fan because I misused the word there instead of their. you are ridiculous...and to be honest I am a fan of LU athletics and I graduated with a masters from the seminary...

Moderators time to move this thread! Once again, a few people feel it necessary to make athletic discussion part of their social compaign!

(05-17-2013 09:51 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Moderators time to move this thread! Once again, a few people feel it necessary to make athletic discussion part of their social compaign!

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/

Does anyone on here know if the info on this website is accurate? If so, then there are not many fanbases on this board that can call anyone's athletics crappy. Arkansas St. and LLU are just 2 seasons removed from losing seasons. The future may be bright but the past is not anything to write home about.