(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How about we separate Calipari from the NCAA - by banning the cheating SOB for life

He's never received an NCAA violation, unlike Bill Self and Jim Calhoun. He was cleared of any wrongdoing for the Camby, Rose, and Bledsoe incidents. Just a friendly reminder from the Calipari apologist society :)

Yeah, and OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder.

If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

(05-17-2013 09:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Calipari: "They (NCAA) have embarrassed me. I've done nothing..."

Correct. In the words of the NCAA, Calipari did nothing. They drug UMass and Memphis through the mud for situations that were proven to be completely isolated to the each player.

(05-17-2013 09:17 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How about we separate Calipari from the NCAA - by banning the cheating SOB for life

He's never received an NCAA violation, unlike Bill Self and Jim Calhoun. He was cleared of any wrongdoing for the Camby, Rose, and Bledsoe incidents. Just a friendly reminder from the Calipari apologist society :)

Yeah, and OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder.

If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

Yes, I truly believe that Calipari is guilty. Do you honestly believe Calipari knew nothing about the Camby, Rose and Bledsoe situations? That means he is either the most out of touch head coach in NCAA history, or he's a cheater.

It's pretty ironic that Kentucky fans were some of the most critical of Calipari when he was at Memphis, but now he's suddenly clean.

As for Coach K, yeah, I think he's guilty, and you can throw in Jim Calhoun, too, but that doesn't make Calipari any less guilty. Not sure you can find many people outside Kentucky fans who feel otherwise.

Plus, you're telling a Memphis fan to hate equally on Calipari and K, or not hate at all. That's pretty hilarious.

(05-17-2013 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:17 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How about we separate Calipari from the NCAA - by banning the cheating SOB for life

He's never received an NCAA violation, unlike Bill Self and Jim Calhoun. He was cleared of any wrongdoing for the Camby, Rose, and Bledsoe incidents. Just a friendly reminder from the Calipari apologist society :)

Yeah, and OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder.

If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

Yes, I truly believe that Calipari is guilty. Do you honestly believe Calipari knew nothing about the Camby, Rose and Bledsoe situations? That means he is either the most out of touch head coach in NCAA history, or he's a cheater.

It's pretty ironic that Kentucky fans were some of the most critical of Calipari when he was at Memphis, but now he's suddenly clean.

As for Coach K, yeah, I think he's guilty, and you can throw in Jim Calhoun, too, but that doesn't make Calipari any less guilty. Not sure you can find many people outside Kentucky fans who feel otherwise.

Plus, you're telling a Memphis fan to hate equally on Calipari and K, or not hate at all. That's pretty hilarious.

Not at all. I can fully understand how Memphis would hate Cal in the same way that UT fans hate Lane Kiffin. You were spurned. Fan hate as it pertains to competition is part of it all. The constant barrage of hate over these situations is numbing, though. Cal was guilty until proven innocent in all three cases. I think that is his point. He was proven innocent regardless of how we feel when we put on our Nancy Grace investigator glasses. Same goes for Cam Newton, Miami because of the NCAA's ineptitude, etc. Every thread about UK, regardless of the topic, seems to turn to Cal hate, so I figure there needs to be at least one voice out here to actually make it a "discussion" board

You're fighting a hopeless battle. :)

So if Calipari doesn't get his way he's going to take his ball and go home?

This is just another statement in a recent string of similar rhetoric that is setting the stage for a separate division from current FBS, nothing more. It is highly unlikely that there will be a separation from the NCAA, but more likely the creation of a separate division. The most prominent issue today is that of reimbursing an athlete the full cost of attending college. I think it is absurd that a student with an academic scholarship can work on the weekends, but a student with an athletic scholarship cannot. And people wonder why there are so many monetary issues involved with student athletes and boosters...?

Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

I agree the 1and done rule needs to go. However Cal said nothing when the rule went His way His championship year. This last year was a disaster for Him. As far as the comments about pulling out and leaving the mid majors behind, it looks like it's less embarrassing to lose to a Kansas than a Robert Morris.

Calipari is the LAST person that needs to open his mouth. He's already broken (allegedly) (lol) most of the NCAA's rules. What is he doing? Looking for other rules to break? Geeeeesh.....

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  This is just another statement in a recent string of similar rhetoric that is setting the stage for a separate division from current FBS, nothing more. It is highly unlikely that there will be a separation from the NCAA, but more likely the creation of a separate division. The most prominent issue today is that of reimbursing an athlete the full cost of attending college. I think it is absurd that a student with an academic scholarship can work on the weekends, but a student with an athletic scholarship cannot. And people wonder why there are so many monetary issues involved with student athletes and boosters...?

Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

I think that is on target. There is no telling how much these large schools spend on enforcing the minutiae of the NCAA guidelines as it pertains to student benefits and discretionary spending (living expenses).

The rest of us need to stick together and say NO if it is about sweeping up crumbs and greed.

We can make change...but not change designed specifically to give advantage to the wealthy and protect them from our advancement and further increase the gap for the priveleged.

If that is what they want then there needs to be a complete divorce in all sports and governance. They can try semi-pro and see how that goes and we can write new rules that are designed to advance all.

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  This is just another statement in a recent string of similar rhetoric that is setting the stage for a separate division from current FBS, nothing more. It is highly unlikely that there will be a separation from the NCAA, but more likely the creation of a separate division. The most prominent issue today is that of reimbursing an athlete the full cost of attending college. I think it is absurd that a student with an academic scholarship can work on the weekends, but a student with an athletic scholarship cannot. And people wonder why there are so many monetary issues involved with student athletes and boosters...?

Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

I don't think the gap has gotten bigger. In fact if you're talking about the Big 14 compared to, say the MAC, the gap has gotten smaller, at least in performance on the field. And "everyone gets a trophy" only applies because there are 6-6 teams in bowl games.

Besides, the bottom teams in the big conferences can't compete with the top teams any better than some of the non-AQs.

(05-17-2013 09:38 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:17 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 08:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  He's never received an NCAA violation, unlike Bill Self and Jim Calhoun. He was cleared of any wrongdoing for the Camby, Rose, and Bledsoe incidents. Just a friendly reminder from the Calipari apologist society :)

Yeah, and OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder.

If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

Yes, I truly believe that Calipari is guilty. Do you honestly believe Calipari knew nothing about the Camby, Rose and Bledsoe situations? That means he is either the most out of touch head coach in NCAA history, or he's a cheater.

It's pretty ironic that Kentucky fans were some of the most critical of Calipari when he was at Memphis, but now he's suddenly clean.

As for Coach K, yeah, I think he's guilty, and you can throw in Jim Calhoun, too, but that doesn't make Calipari any less guilty. Not sure you can find many people outside Kentucky fans who feel otherwise.

Plus, you're telling a Memphis fan to hate equally on Calipari and K, or not hate at all. That's pretty hilarious.

Not at all. I can fully understand how Memphis would hate Cal in the same way that UT fans hate Lane Kiffin. You were spurned. Fan hate as it pertains to competition is part of it all. The constant barrage of hate over these situations is numbing, though. Cal was guilty until proven innocent in all three cases. I think that is his point. He was proven innocent regardless of how we feel when we put on our Nancy Grace investigator glasses. Same goes for Cam Newton, Miami because of the NCAA's ineptitude, etc. Every thread about UK, regardless of the topic, seems to turn to Cal hate, so I figure there needs to be at least one voice out here to actually make it a "discussion" board

He wasn't proven innocent or guilty. The NCAA is not a court of law; it is a commune, where the rich get richer. Go back to your hollar beside mine in appalachia.

(05-17-2013 08:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-16-2013 05:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  How about we separate Calipari from the NCAA - by banning the cheating SOB for life

He's never received an NCAA violation, unlike Bill Self and Jim Calhoun. He was cleared of any wrongdoing for the Camby, Rose, and Bledsoe incidents. Just a friendly reminder from the Calipari apologist society :)

Because certainly if someone hasn't bothered to look into cases where he would obviously be implicated he must never have done anything. Or that schools never cover up, give slack because it's a money maker or the fact that after he move that something bad is found out. No. John Calipari is a scumbag who has had special interest groups looking out for him and to clean up the big messes he leaves.

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

Would that be the same Ohio State that was just recently denied a Final Four berth by Wichita State?

The answer is that results on the field/court are not determined by budgets. Sure the big-money schools have an advantage, but should the small-money schools be denied an opportunity to compete with them for national championships when recent history has shown that even small-money schools can attract great athletes and excellent coaches?

(05-17-2013 10:49 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:38 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:17 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Yeah, and OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder.

If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

Yes, I truly believe that Calipari is guilty. Do you honestly believe Calipari knew nothing about the Camby, Rose and Bledsoe situations? That means he is either the most out of touch head coach in NCAA history, or he's a cheater.

It's pretty ironic that Kentucky fans were some of the most critical of Calipari when he was at Memphis, but now he's suddenly clean.

As for Coach K, yeah, I think he's guilty, and you can throw in Jim Calhoun, too, but that doesn't make Calipari any less guilty. Not sure you can find many people outside Kentucky fans who feel otherwise.

Plus, you're telling a Memphis fan to hate equally on Calipari and K, or not hate at all. That's pretty hilarious.

Not at all. I can fully understand how Memphis would hate Cal in the same way that UT fans hate Lane Kiffin. You were spurned. Fan hate as it pertains to competition is part of it all. The constant barrage of hate over these situations is numbing, though. Cal was guilty until proven innocent in all three cases. I think that is his point. He was proven innocent regardless of how we feel when we put on our Nancy Grace investigator glasses. Same goes for Cam Newton, Miami because of the NCAA's ineptitude, etc. Every thread about UK, regardless of the topic, seems to turn to Cal hate, so I figure there needs to be at least one voice out here to actually make it a "discussion" board

He wasn't proven innocent or guilty. The NCAA is not a court of law; it is a commune, where the rich get richer. Go back to your hollar beside mine in appalachia.

Ha! I live in downtown Nashville, near a district called "The Gulch". Hope that works. I've spoken my peace, so continue bashing Cal as you will and enjoy.

(05-17-2013 11:47 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:49 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:38 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:17 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  If you truly believe that Calipari is guilty, blame the NCAA's investigators for being incompetent. Do you think for a second the NCAA is doing Cal any favors? Not a chance. Duke just got acquitted for a case almost identical to the Marcus Camby situation: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/dukenow/du...stigation. Where is the hate for Duke? If we are going to hate on acquitted cases, let's hate equitably or not hate at all.

Yes, I truly believe that Calipari is guilty. Do you honestly believe Calipari knew nothing about the Camby, Rose and Bledsoe situations? That means he is either the most out of touch head coach in NCAA history, or he's a cheater.

It's pretty ironic that Kentucky fans were some of the most critical of Calipari when he was at Memphis, but now he's suddenly clean.

As for Coach K, yeah, I think he's guilty, and you can throw in Jim Calhoun, too, but that doesn't make Calipari any less guilty. Not sure you can find many people outside Kentucky fans who feel otherwise.

Plus, you're telling a Memphis fan to hate equally on Calipari and K, or not hate at all. That's pretty hilarious.

Not at all. I can fully understand how Memphis would hate Cal in the same way that UT fans hate Lane Kiffin. You were spurned. Fan hate as it pertains to competition is part of it all. The constant barrage of hate over these situations is numbing, though. Cal was guilty until proven innocent in all three cases. I think that is his point. He was proven innocent regardless of how we feel when we put on our Nancy Grace investigator glasses. Same goes for Cam Newton, Miami because of the NCAA's ineptitude, etc. Every thread about UK, regardless of the topic, seems to turn to Cal hate, so I figure there needs to be at least one voice out here to actually make it a "discussion" board

He wasn't proven innocent or guilty. The NCAA is not a court of law; it is a commune, where the rich get richer. Go back to your hollar beside mine in appalachia.

Ha! I live in downtown Nashville, near a district called "The Gulch". Hope that works. I've spoken my peace, so continue bashing Cal as you will and enjoy.

You love him just like I did when he was Memphis's scumbag. One day you will feel the need to take a shower.

(05-17-2013 11:45 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

Would that be the same Ohio State that was just recently denied a Final Four berth by Wichita State?

The answer is that results on the field/court are not determined by budgets. Sure the big-money schools have an advantage, but should the small-money schools be denied an opportunity to compete with them for national championships when recent history has shown that even small-money schools can attract great athletes and excellent coaches?

As far as some folks are concerned, yes. Who wants to see lowly Wichita State or VCU prove they are a national title contender? Nobody likes the teams outside major conferences. The thought that a Hawaii or UC Santa Barbara should have a chance to prove themselves against the big boys sickens the populace. It doesn't make for great television!

*Note to all you WSU, VCU, Hawaii or UC Santa Barbara fans: I'm being sarcastic*

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  This is just another statement in a recent string of similar rhetoric that is setting the stage for a separate division from current FBS, nothing more. It is highly unlikely that there will be a separation from the NCAA, but more likely the creation of a separate division. The most prominent issue today is that of reimbursing an athlete the full cost of attending college. I think it is absurd that a student with an academic scholarship can work on the weekends, but a student with an athletic scholarship cannot. And people wonder why there are so many monetary issues involved with student athletes and boosters...?

Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

Athletic departments were never designed to make a profit. If that is their goal they should go ahead and make it official and join the NFL.

(05-17-2013 01:45 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 11:45 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 09:59 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  Why should programs that spend/earn $25-$100 million range per year with their athletic programs have to apply the same approach as schools that spend and earn in the $2-$10 million range? The gap is simply getting too wide to continue implying programs like Ohio State and Kent State are the same, and therefore we should apply the same set of rules to both so that Kent State can remain competitive...and "everyone gets a trophy".

Would that be the same Ohio State that was just recently denied a Final Four berth by Wichita State?

The answer is that results on the field/court are not determined by budgets. Sure the big-money schools have an advantage, but should the small-money schools be denied an opportunity to compete with them for national championships when recent history has shown that even small-money schools can attract great athletes and excellent coaches?

As far as some folks are concerned, yes. Who wants to see lowly Wichita State or VCU prove they are a national title contender? Nobody likes the teams outside major conferences. The thought that a Hawaii or UC Santa Barbara should have a chance to prove themselves against the big boys sickens the populace. It doesn't make for great television!

*Note to all you WSU, VCU, Hawaii or UC Santa Barbara fans: I'm being sarcastic*

Yep. No one wants to see underfunded 16-seed minor conference school upset a top-ranked 1-seed major-conference school, in any sport. That would be plain dull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvmeE9LovuY