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(05-16-2013 03:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
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(05-16-2013 10:44 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Not sure we're in the position of criticizing strength of schedule.

Exactly. Let me clarify that I hate U of I. But, I find it funny that no person on here will laugh at the remainder of their schedule:

at Nebraska
Purdue
at Wisconsin
Minnesota
at Ohio State
Iowa
Penn State
at Northwestern

I would switch places with their 2014 schedule in a heart beat. Cupcakes before the beef is how it's supposed to be. If you put the beef before the cupcakes like us, you get crappy attendance and season ticket numbers.

Oh, and FYI: Only Dogfan can get away with putting the beef between the cupcakes! 04-cheers

Have you seen Big 10 football lately? Equally laughable.

MD, you never cease to amaze me. I'm assuming that you consider Iowa a crappy Big 10 team, right? Answer this question for me: Did we beat Iowa last year? And since the only answer is no, let me elaborate. In no way shape or form is the MAC even close to the level of the Big 10. I would say there are 2, maybe 3 MAC teams that could compete on a week to week basis. That's it. I'm not talking playing one game vs. a Big 10 team every year. That's not equivalent to playing an entire season of Big 10 football. I can't believe you would even consider a MAC schedule equal to a Big 10 schedule. Our best teams might get to the middle of the pack playing a Big 10 schedule.

I think many on the NIU side regret the offensive approach and putting the reigns on Lynch for that game, NIU is obviously better than Iowa last year. Your Big 10 champ was UW, a team that almost got beat by UNI, enough said.

MD, I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about a season full of games. And "should have beat someone" is not what is reflected in your win loss record. It's either a W or L. Iowa was an L.

HJ - I agree. It is the chicken and the egg. I just don't like how people think that we are so much better than the Big 10. It's just not true. And this isn't coming from a Big 10 backer.

I'm too lazy to do the research, but let's look at what our record is vs the Big 10 since 2003. Anyone know? I'd bet it's a losing record. And please, for the love of god, don't start the home and away argument.
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MD aren't you a Wisconsin fan too?
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(05-16-2013 04:09 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:49 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 01:09 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  Exactly. Let me clarify that I hate U of I. But, I find it funny that no person on here will laugh at the remainder of their schedule:

at Nebraska
Purdue
at Wisconsin
Minnesota
at Ohio State
Iowa
Penn State
at Northwestern

I would switch places with their 2014 schedule in a heart beat. Cupcakes before the beef is how it's supposed to be. If you put the beef before the cupcakes like us, you get crappy attendance and season ticket numbers.

Oh, and FYI: Only Dogfan can get away with putting the beef between the cupcakes! 04-cheers

Have you seen Big 10 football lately? Equally laughable.

MD, you never cease to amaze me. I'm assuming that you consider Iowa a crappy Big 10 team, right? Answer this question for me: Did we beat Iowa last year? And since the only answer is no, let me elaborate. In no way shape or form is the MAC even close to the level of the Big 10. I would say there are 2, maybe 3 MAC teams that could compete on a week to week basis. That's it. I'm not talking playing one game vs. a Big 10 team every year. That's not equivalent to playing an entire season of Big 10 football. I can't believe you would even consider a MAC schedule equal to a Big 10 schedule. Our best teams might get to the middle of the pack playing a Big 10 schedule.

I think many on the NIU side regret the offensive approach and putting the reigns on Lynch for that game, NIU is obviously better than Iowa last year. Your Big 10 champ was UW, a team that almost got beat by UNI, enough said.

MD, I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about a season full of games. And "should have beat someone" is not what is reflected in your win loss record. It's either a W or L. Iowa was an L.

HJ - I agree. It is the chicken and the egg. I just don't like how people think that we are so much better than the Big 10. It's just not true. And this isn't coming from a Big 10 backer.

I'm too lazy to do the research, but let's look at what our record is vs the Big 10 since 2003. Anyone know? I'd bet it's a losing record. And please, for the love of god, don't start the home and away argument.

Big 14 is obviously better but the MAC won-loss record would be a lot better if they played at MAC stadiums half the time. We played Maryland at home and won, then lost @Maryland next year. We played Iowa State at home and won, then lost @Iowa State next year. We played Kansas @Kansas and lost, then played them next year at home and won. We also lost close games to Minnesota and Illinois (twice) on the road. Heck, Toledo barely lost to Ohio State on the road. There would still be blowouts depending on matchups but some of those games would go the MACs way.
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(05-16-2013 04:09 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:49 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
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(05-16-2013 01:09 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  Exactly. Let me clarify that I hate U of I. But, I find it funny that no person on here will laugh at the remainder of their schedule:

at Nebraska
Purdue
at Wisconsin
Minnesota
at Ohio State
Iowa
Penn State
at Northwestern

I would switch places with their 2014 schedule in a heart beat. Cupcakes before the beef is how it's supposed to be. If you put the beef before the cupcakes like us, you get crappy attendance and season ticket numbers.

Oh, and FYI: Only Dogfan can get away with putting the beef between the cupcakes! 04-cheers

Have you seen Big 10 football lately? Equally laughable.

MD, you never cease to amaze me. I'm assuming that you consider Iowa a crappy Big 10 team, right? Answer this question for me: Did we beat Iowa last year? And since the only answer is no, let me elaborate. In no way shape or form is the MAC even close to the level of the Big 10. I would say there are 2, maybe 3 MAC teams that could compete on a week to week basis. That's it. I'm not talking playing one game vs. a Big 10 team every year. That's not equivalent to playing an entire season of Big 10 football. I can't believe you would even consider a MAC schedule equal to a Big 10 schedule. Our best teams might get to the middle of the pack playing a Big 10 schedule.

I think many on the NIU side regret the offensive approach and putting the reigns on Lynch for that game, NIU is obviously better than Iowa last year. Your Big 10 champ was UW, a team that almost got beat by UNI, enough said.

MD, I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about a season full of games. And "should have beat someone" is not what is reflected in your win loss record. It's either a W or L. Iowa was an L.

HJ - I agree. It is the chicken and the egg. I just don't like how people think that we are so much better than the Big 10. It's just not true. And this isn't coming from a Big 10 backer.

I'm too lazy to do the research, but let's look at what our record is vs the Big 10 since 2003. Anyone know? I'd bet it's a losing record. And please, for the love of god, don't start the home and away argument.

Im too lazy to do the research too, but Im willing to bet a vast majority of NIU vs Big 10 and MAC vs Big 10 are either at neutral sites or @ Big 10 venues. Id bet my life on it, and that makes comparison absolutely meaningless.
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It is not possible to rent out our current success to try give an appearance of credibility within a Big 10 schedule.

If you try to, it simply turns into the most interesting story at the insane asylum for the day......
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(05-16-2013 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 04:09 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:49 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 03:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Have you seen Big 10 football lately? Equally laughable.

MD, you never cease to amaze me. I'm assuming that you consider Iowa a crappy Big 10 team, right? Answer this question for me: Did we beat Iowa last year? And since the only answer is no, let me elaborate. In no way shape or form is the MAC even close to the level of the Big 10. I would say there are 2, maybe 3 MAC teams that could compete on a week to week basis. That's it. I'm not talking playing one game vs. a Big 10 team every year. That's not equivalent to playing an entire season of Big 10 football. I can't believe you would even consider a MAC schedule equal to a Big 10 schedule. Our best teams might get to the middle of the pack playing a Big 10 schedule.

I think many on the NIU side regret the offensive approach and putting the reigns on Lynch for that game, NIU is obviously better than Iowa last year. Your Big 10 champ was UW, a team that almost got beat by UNI, enough said.

MD, I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about a season full of games. And "should have beat someone" is not what is reflected in your win loss record. It's either a W or L. Iowa was an L.

HJ - I agree. It is the chicken and the egg. I just don't like how people think that we are so much better than the Big 10. It's just not true. And this isn't coming from a Big 10 backer.

I'm too lazy to do the research, but let's look at what our record is vs the Big 10 since 2003. Anyone know? I'd bet it's a losing record. And please, for the love of god, don't start the home and away argument.

Im too lazy to do the research too, but Im willing to bet a vast majority of NIU vs Big 10 and MAC vs Big 10 are either at neutral sites or @ Big 10 venues. Id bet my life on it, and that makes comparison absolutely meaningless.

I'm sure no more than 5% of MAC/Big14 games are played at MAC stadiums.
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(05-16-2013 04:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Big 14 is obviously better but the MAC won-loss record would be a lot better if they played at MAC stadiums half the time. We played Maryland at home and won, then lost @Maryland next year. We played Iowa State at home and won, then lost @Iowa State next year. We played Kansas @Kansas and lost, then played them next year at home and won. We also lost close games to Minnesota and Illinois (twice) on the road. Heck, Toledo barely lost to Ohio State on the road. There would still be blowouts depending on matchups but some of those games would go the MACs way.

Don't even get me started on that game. The refs practically handed 0$U the game. Penalties were something like 14 (against UT) to 2 (against 0$U). One was a 'facemask' after UT had stopped them on a 3rd down. But, after watching the replay, the UT player had grabbed the 0$U players JERSEY on his SHOULDER (and, to make it even worse, this was on a run to the right, and the 'facemask' call was on a DB on the opposite side of the field). Then, on a punt return TD that 0$U had, there were 2 CLEAR penalties against 0$U that went uncalled (holding, and block in the back).
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(05-16-2013 04:57 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 04:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Big 14 is obviously better but the MAC won-loss record would be a lot better if they played at MAC stadiums half the time. We played Maryland at home and won, then lost @Maryland next year. We played Iowa State at home and won, then lost @Iowa State next year. We played Kansas @Kansas and lost, then played them next year at home and won. We also lost close games to Minnesota and Illinois (twice) on the road. Heck, Toledo barely lost to Ohio State on the road. There would still be blowouts depending on matchups but some of those games would go the MACs way.

Don't even get me started on that game. The refs practically handed 0$U the game. Penalties were something like 14 (against UT) to 2 (against 0$U). One was a 'facemask' after UT had stopped them on a 3rd down. But, after watching the replay, the UT player had grabbed the 0$U players JERSEY on his SHOULDER (and, to make it even worse, this was on a run to the right, and the 'facemask' call was on a DB on the opposite side of the field). Then, on a punt return TD that 0$U had, there were 2 CLEAR penalties against 0$U that went uncalled (holding, and block in the back).

No doubt about it, UT BEAT Ohio State. Im still fired up about that game and that was the ROCKETS. I cant imagine the anger Id have if the Huskies got jobbed like that. The officials doing that game should have been fired, I know that sounds like hyperbole, but they should have.
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Here's how we settle the argument. The top B1G team (Ohio State) is better than the top MAC team (NIU). The worst B1G team (Illinois) is better than the worst MAC team (UMASS). NIU being better than the bottom feeders of the B1G, in theory, doesn't make the B1G any less of a conference. The B1G is and always will be a better conference than the MAC.
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(05-16-2013 06:03 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  Here's how we settle the argument. The top B1G team (Ohio State) is better than the top MAC team (NIU). The worst B1G team (Illinois) is better than the worst MAC team (UMASS). NIU being better than the bottom feeders of the B1G, in theory, doesn't make the B1G any less of a conference. The B1G is and always will be a better conference than the MAC.

Comparing one or two teams in a conference and saying thats how to evaluate the entire conference is a lazy and inaccurate way to do it. Last year at least you can say the MAC was as good as the Big 10 and thats not even really up for debate. For Big 10 homers its a harsh reality but reality nonetheless, sorry.
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(05-16-2013 06:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Comparing one or two teams in a conference and saying thats how to evaluate the entire conference is a lazy and inaccurate way to do it. Last year at least you can say the MAC was as good as the Big 10 and thats not even really up for debate. For Big 10 homers its a harsh reality but reality nonetheless, sorry.

It really is a special world you live in, isn't it? Unicorns and rainbows all over the place, maybe a leprechaun prancing around for good measure.
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I'm not even close to being a B1G homer, but I am realistic. You're just seeing it the way you want to see it.
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(05-16-2013 09:27 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  03-lmfao

I wouldn't laugh too hardl WKU beat Kentucky last year, YSU beat PItt by 14 in their season opener. Neither of those are automatic W's. U know the Penguins are going to be jacked up playing a Big 10 team, they have a history or playing their best ball against the AQ teams.
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(05-16-2013 05:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
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(05-16-2013 04:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Big 14 is obviously better but the MAC won-loss record would be a lot better if they played at MAC stadiums half the time. We played Maryland at home and won, then lost @Maryland next year. We played Iowa State at home and won, then lost @Iowa State next year. We played Kansas @Kansas and lost, then played them next year at home and won. We also lost close games to Minnesota and Illinois (twice) on the road. Heck, Toledo barely lost to Ohio State on the road. There would still be blowouts depending on matchups but some of those games would go the MACs way.

Don't even get me started on that game. The refs practically handed 0$U the game. Penalties were something like 14 (against UT) to 2 (against 0$U). One was a 'facemask' after UT had stopped them on a 3rd down. But, after watching the replay, the UT player had grabbed the 0$U players JERSEY on his SHOULDER (and, to make it even worse, this was on a run to the right, and the 'facemask' call was on a DB on the opposite side of the field). Then, on a punt return TD that 0$U had, there were 2 CLEAR penalties against 0$U that went uncalled (holding, and block in the back).

No doubt about it, UT BEAT Ohio State. Im still fired up about that game and that was the ROCKETS. I cant imagine the anger Id have if the Huskies got jobbed like that. The officials doing that game should have been fired, I know that sounds like hyperbole, but they should have.

Here's a replay of the punt return 'touchdown' starting at 1:42 on the video. Watch #5 for 0$U HOLD #33 for UT (they are on the right hand side of the video when it starts at 1:42)

Then, a second or two later, watch #2 for 0$U block #35 for UT in the back. Both of those guys could have made the tackle if not for those illegal moves.

http://youtu.be/YFrlOdAFDck?t=1m42s
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The Big 10 is a stronger conference top to bottom but the gap is continuing to narrow and I see that gap narrowing even more this year. As alot of you know I'm an NU fan, for NU to finish in the top 3 last year with the academic and recruiting disadvantages NU has vs the other 11; shows you how much the Big 10 has slipped. NU has improved while most of the other 11 have slid.

Yes NIU lost to Iowa, Iowa also lost to CMU. This year will be another down year for the Big 10; looking at each team individually

Illinois: lost 2 to the NFL, not going to be any better unless miracles happen.
Indiana: Wilson is a bright offensive mind but he still doesn't have enough talent to work with, they may be better but it won't show up in their W-L record and they lost to Ball State for the 3rd straight time last year.

Iowa- will not be nearly as good as they were last year, they are replacing a 3 years starting QB with an unproven talent. They have only 1 experienced returning RB (Weisman) Lost their best talent in the Dbackfield (Hyde) to the NFL. also replacing Ferentz son on Oline & WR Kennan Davis.

Purdue- a 6th year senior who has lost 2 seasons to injury will be their starting QB. Lost a standout D lineman to the NFL(SHort). Also lost their top RB. Hazell is taking over a program that needs alot of work and it's his first year as a HC.

Nebraska: lost their top RB(Burkhead) and Maher who's their career placekicking leader to the nFL. Their St qb still doersn't throw that well.

Wisky is looking for another QB, lost Montee Ball, OG Travis Fredick and OT Ricky Wagner to the NFL

PSU is in the 2nd year of their 4 year probation, they won't lose any more players but recruiting talent will continue to be tough. They lost 3 D starters to the NFL (DT & 2 LB's) which should make it easier for Dri Archer and Kent State to score on them.

OSU will definitely be improved and the probation year is over.

NU will definitely be improved with all skilled position players on offense back except 1.

Minny should be better, didn't lose too much as Marquise Gray wasn't starting QB at year's end. They will be respectable this year and likely in a bowl.

MSU lost RB Laveon Bell, DT Wm Gholston & TE Dion SIms to the NFL and is also replacing a QB and startking Kicker (Conroy)

Michigan: Hoke is getting better talent but he's only been there a couple years and he lost what was the face of the Michigan offense for 4 years in Denard Robinson & G Wm Campbell to the NFL, plus 3 D starters in DE Roh, SS Kovacs and ILB Denmens. This will be Gardiner's first full season as a starter.

Are they better than the bottom half o the MAC (Buffalo, UMass, Akron, EMU, Miami, WMU) yes and for all the $ they are spending they better be. But the fact that MAC teams are betting Big 10 teams like Iowa & PSU that are not bottom of the barrell tells you that the talent difference is not nearly what it used to be.
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What QB did Michigan State lose? Maxwell was a junior and his backup (Connor Cook), who barely played, was a freshman. They're both back.
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(05-16-2013 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Im too lazy to do the research too, but Im willing to bet a vast majority of NIU vs Big 10 and MAC vs Big 10 are either at neutral sites or @ Big 10 venues. Id bet my life on it, and that makes comparison absolutely meaningless.

In the last 10 years, the Big Ten is 13-1 in road games against MAC opponents. The MAC is 15-92 in Big Ten stadiums. Neutral site is 5-2 Big Ten.

That includes Nebraska, but even if you exclude them the numbers are basically identical (they barely played the MAC during that timespan).
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Ah, glad to see lack of reality still exists here.
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(05-16-2013 10:05 PM)UIHuskie Wrote:  
(05-16-2013 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Im too lazy to do the research too, but Im willing to bet a vast majority of NIU vs Big 10 and MAC vs Big 10 are either at neutral sites or @ Big 10 venues. Id bet my life on it, and that makes comparison absolutely meaningless.

In the last 10 years, the Big Ten is 13-1 in road games against MAC opponents. The MAC is 15-92 in Big Ten stadiums. Neutral site is 5-2 Big Ten.

That includes Nebraska, but even if you exclude them the numbers are basically identical (they barely played the MAC during that timespan).

Very very misleading though, you dont get these Big 10 teams coming to Huskie Stadium one of the better teams in the conference. If the MAC and Big 10 played an equal number of home/road games it would be about a wash.
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Last year NIU was ranked higher than any Big 10 team in the BCS. MAC had 2 in top 25, Big 10 had 3. Even the BCS rankings which are heavily weighted toward the power conferences, the Big 10 had only 1 more than the MAC. You can argue the Big 10 was better last year, but you could make the same argument intelligently from the MAC side.
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