It would be OK to hold the tournament in MSG once every 6-8 years. Anything more often that that is just crazy talk.

(05-15-2013 07:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  It would be OK to hold the tournament in MSG once every 6-8 years. Anything more often that that is just crazy talk.

Apparently the ACC is engaged in crazy talk.

(05-15-2013 03:50 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  there is this too...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college...ources-say

According to this article, the new Big East has a 12-year deal with MSG through 2026 and apparently the ACC Tournament cannot be played at MSG during that time unless the NBE fails to reach "certain benchmarks" thus causing their deal to fall through. Wonder what those "benchmarks" are and how long before it's determined whether or not the "benchmarks" have been reached. Seems difficult for the ACC to schedule future tournaments at MSG until this issue has been resolved.

ACC could play tourney at MSG
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college...ources-say

"We'll be playing there," a [ACC] source said. "It's just a matter of getting all the legal ramifications worked out."

"I don't want to speculate about (the ACC)," Fisher [MSG executive vice president] said in March.



The item that comes to my attention is that MSG only has outs in the contract with the BE/C7, if they don't meet "certain benchmarks". What benchmarks? and are they so certain the BE/C7 won't meet them that they'll get into a contract with the ACC? What if they do meet the benchmarks?

(05-15-2013 04:12 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  But what you really don't want in NYC is the B10.

I'd say almost zero chance of that happening. The only schools who'd likely be for that are the eastern 3 and two of them suck in basketball anyway. Chicago and Indianapolis are a lot more centrally located and good for attracting a lot of fans from different schools. New York is just too far away.

Off the top of my head, just throwing this out there as a potential compromise with tradition.

With the 15 team Big East, the tourney was set up with 4 teams getting double byes and spread over five days.

What if the ACC took the first two days with 9 teams and held them at Greensboro Tuesday and Wednesday, took a day off, and then the eight teams in the quarterfinals advanced to MSG for Friday, Saturday and the championship game on Sunday.

Too difficult of logistics? Perhaps, it would be hard for fans to travel from one to the other. Bad idea? Probably. Just an idea. Tell me why it would suck.

(05-15-2013 09:39 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Off the top of my head, just throwing this out there as a potential compromise with tradition.

With the 15 team Big East, the tourney was set up with 4 teams getting double byes and spread over five days.

What if the ACC took the first two days with 9 teams and held them at Greensboro Tuesday and Wednesday, took a day off, and then the eight teams in the quarterfinals advanced to MSG for Friday, Saturday and the championship game on Sunday.

Too difficult of logistics? Perhaps, it would be hard for fans to travel from one to the other. Bad idea? Probably. Just an idea. Tell me why it would suck.

not a good idea, I could see the ACC agree to a 3 yr period to start & then rotating every other yr or 2 on, 2 off. I know most of the new schools love the idea of MSG but this needs to be handled very carefully. Most fans would adjust to NYC but dumping the city that helped make you what you are & supported you through thick & thin will not go over easy with a large segment of UNC's biggest donors.

I think the ACC should study the idea of playing at MSG. Instead of rejecting it out of hand without doing some analysis would be foolhardy.
Perhaps, they should sit down and run the numbers of the various alternatives in conjunction with the TV partners and determine what would be the best course of action.
I think ESPN would probably push for MSG and perhaps would provide more $$$ if the tournament was there. It might also be good for the ACC Network to get good publicity by being in the number 1 media market in the country New York City.

MSG will not be a part of a rotation. They want an every year event....

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Quote:ACC commissioner John Swofford told ESPN.com that the reason the ACC and Madison Square Garden didn't get a deal was that MSG wanted a regular tenant every March and the ACC wasn't willing to commit to a set location.

Although the ESPN article is 7 months old, I doubt MSG has changed their stance.

(05-15-2013 11:07 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think ESPN would probably push for MSG and perhaps would provide more $$$ if the tournament was there. It might also be good for the ACC Network to get good publicity by being in the number 1 media market in the country New York City.

This was going to be my question. if the conference is lukewarm on the MSG idea, but ESPN is gung-ho, can we not use this as a bargaining chip to get more money for the basketball side of our TV contract? It certainly sounds like it's worth money to me.

I also agree with tj that an MSG tourney would be a great selling-point for the future ACC network in several media markets.

don't know how much revenue MSG produces for the BE but the ACC has cleared in the 10 million per year range recently

(05-15-2013 07:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  It would be OK to hold the tournament in MSG once every 6-8 years. Anything more often that that is just crazy talk.

It absolutely nuts for the major title games to be held out of North Carolina. Crazy talk

Why would where the game is held effect media rights? If you are in Miami watching on TV...why would it matter if it in Greensboro, NYC or Moscow?

I don't see the football championship ever leaving Charlotte, the one time it was in Florida it was a failure, granted it was BC-VT. Charlotte, ESPN, ACC and SEC all want to make Charlotte and North Carolina a Football hub, look for Belk Bowl Openers and other exciting things there in the future.

(05-15-2013 11:39 PM)Cardinals Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 11:07 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think ESPN would probably push for MSG and perhaps would provide more $$$ if the tournament was there. It might also be good for the ACC Network to get good publicity by being in the number 1 media market in the country New York City.

This was going to be my question. if the conference is lukewarm on the MSG idea, but ESPN is gung-ho, can we not use this as a bargaining chip to get more money for the basketball side of our TV contract? It certainly sounds like it's worth money to me.

I also agree with tj that an MSG tourney would be a great selling-point for the future ACC network in several media markets.

What you would gain in TV money, you would lose in fan/partner support, not to mention conference credibility.

MSG did not submit a bid to host the ACC tournament by the required (conference) deadline. If the conference would take MSG as a tournament location now, it would be a slap in the face to every venue that bid on the tournament by the ACC.

(05-16-2013 06:35 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-15-2013 07:48 PM)XLance Wrote:  It would be OK to hold the tournament in MSG once every 6-8 years. Anything more often that that is just crazy talk.

It absolutely nuts for the major title games to be held out of North Carolina. Crazy talk

Ok we'll remember you supported this thought...so all sports tournaments need to be held in NC?

Let me clarify,

When ACC went to championship, it was decided by the membership to host it in Fla. (The divisions were grouped with FSU and Miami in separate divisions and it was 'expected' they would dominate.

IT was at jacksonville for 3 years and then at tampa for two years. The intial game was VT vs FSU, and FSU one. game was sold out. The next one GT vs Wake (that was an attendance failure due to small teams and downpour at Jacksonville)

The following year VT played BC and the stadium was half full (all VT fans).

THen it moved to Tampa it didnt do any better.

Clemson played GT and the following year VT played BC.

Then it moved to Charlotte.

VT played FSU the first year and the stadium was almost sold out
next year it was VT vs clemson, and the last year was GT vs FSU

Charlotte has been the most successful site, why mess up a good situation. florida has proven to be a failure, far from most of the membership. charlotte almost in the center.

In regards to MSG, the key discussion is NOT hosting the site in Carolina or not, but rather ACC wants a rotation flipping from MSG to Carolina, MSG wants all or nothing. Im sure they will work something out.


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(05-16-2013 07:03 AM)westmc9th Wrote:  . Then VT
I don't see the football championship ever leaving Charlotte, the one time it was in Florida it was a failure, granted it was BC-VT. Charlotte, ESPN, ACC and SEC all want to make Charlotte and North Carolina a Football hub, look for Belk Bowl Openers and other exciting things there in the future.

I do agree that FB is a natural for Charlotte. Basketball, Baseball, lacrosse, etc... can and should rotate around. I would be happy with the ACC BB Championships in NYC half the time.

Woohoo! Another MSG thread!!!!

Seriously though, if it is done right, from a fans perspective it doesn't matter where it is held (within reason). The ACC should also be looking at airline and hotel partners to offer discounts, upgrades, transportation (not as big of a deal in NYC). How many people can or are willing to layout $6-$10k to go to NYC for a week?

They should also limit Syracuse to 1,000 fans at any one game.

(05-16-2013 09:14 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Woohoo! Another MSG thread!!!!

Seriously though, if it is done right, from a fans perspective it doesn't matter where it is held (within reason). The ACC should also be looking at airline and hotel partners to offer discounts, upgrades, transportation (not as big of a deal in NYC). How many people can or are willing to layout $6-$10k to go to NYC for a week?

They should also limit Syracuse to 1,000 fans at any one game.

SU fans are limited to a 1/16th share for the BE Championship...Cuse fans just buy tix on the secondary market or through other schools. It would continue...you would see Cuse fans joining IPTAY, etc...to get a chance at tickets.