May be that EKU is not counting their attending students, since they pay with their student fees.
Anytime I have gone to EKU for a football game there have been plenty of people.
They have the second highest amount of FCS playoff invitations of any FCS schools.
Might be over saturated with television. Saw where they are on OVC All Access continuously
plus list four television stations that regularly carry their games.

(05-13-2013 02:26 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:25 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  lmfao EKU??? wow, if EKU gets added to the sun belt fbs has gone to hell. EKU does not have fans, eku has people who could not get into UK. Look at NKU before you go talking to EKU...lmfao

Isn't that what your last football coach said about WKU students?

I think we all suffer from some of this some more than others. I find it funny how some of the teams with 'State' behind their name think they are their prospective states Flagship university. In GA it's UGA in FL it's Univ of Florida in Tenn. it's UT. Sorry to bust some of you guys bubble. Then again no one on this board is not that crazy.

(05-13-2013 02:38 PM)rbostic287 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:26 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:25 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  lmfao EKU??? wow, if EKU gets added to the sun belt fbs has gone to hell. EKU does not have fans, eku has people who could not get into UK. Look at NKU before you go talking to EKU...lmfao

Isn't that what your last football coach said about WKU students?

I think we all suffer from some of this some more than others. I find it funny how some of the teams with 'State' behind their name think they are their prospective states Flagship university. In GA it's UGA in FL it's Univ of Florida in Tenn. it's UT. Sorry to bust some of you guys bubble. Then again no one on this board is not that crazy.

Exception would be Ohio, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and Louisiana?

(05-13-2013 02:29 PM)rbostic287 Wrote:  We can't knock one school on their attendance and turn a blind eye to another (MSU). I am not advocating to added EKU but they look to be as good a candidate as MSU with better athletics. Still don't see why most are so high on they in the first place. Do we even know if the presidents are even considering them seriously?

Even though I am a GaSo fan/season ticket holder I have no problem saying that App St was hands down the best candidate for the Sun Belt. But MSU is not even close IMO.

This is my take on who the best Candidates are

1. JMU
2. LU
3.JSU
4.NDSU
5.DU
6.MSU
7.EKU

Finally someone posting with logic and reason.

I don't know about the Sun Belt or CUSA but some leagues (either by bylaw or tradition depending on the league) require that before a school is added in a state that the league is already in, that the motion to add the school can only be made by a school in that state. For example if the Sun Belt wanted to add Central Arkansas, either Arkansas State or UALR would have to make the motion to extend them an invitiation.

As to finances. Going from 14 to 16 means a loss of $107,000 per school. Eliminating one charter flight in football and eliminating one commercial or charter flight per year in men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball saves more than that with money to spare.

If a league is projecting that it's 14 member league will finish 4th in the CFP performance pool and adding two teams will move the league to 3rd, the added CFP performance money reduces the net revenue per team difference from -$107,000 to $-24,000. One visiting team selling 1200 tickets pays the difference. It takes very little in travel savings to make that a gain in operating income. Gaining one NCAA unit as well reduces it -$6,500.

We all see it differently pretty much.
1) JMU
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) Missouri State
4) JSU

(05-13-2013 03:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all see it differently pretty much.

1) JMU
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) Missouri State
4) JSU

I know the Commish and the Presidents probably have other considerations that we don't, but I think this board is a pretty decent image of the conversations going on in the big offices. I'm sure they are all going to have a hard time agreeing on who to invite, if anyone. That's why I'm thinking the consensus will end up being "wait till next year."

That or Harrison University...

It isn't just as simple as inviting someone. We have to find a school willing to do what is necessary to move to the FBS. Of course at the heart of that is money.

No one has put forward

SOUTH HARMON INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY.

I think they would be willing to join....plus their logo is really good.

(05-13-2013 03:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all see it differently pretty much.
1) JMU
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) Missouri State
4) JSU

Do you have any idea of EKU can even afford such a move? Tell me about facilities, scholarships, staffing, Title IX, women's sports, and so on. Some of you just think all a school has to do is accept an invite and they're ready for FBS. This takes years of planning and budget preparations, not to mention the added women's scholarships and so forth. Your head is in the sand, Apps70.

Look at MSU/JMU...even with JMU's 34 million dollar budget they still need to do a feasibility study, and MSU said wait until next year, then contact us. What makes you think Eastern Kentucky of all places is further along than JMU/MSU, not to mention Liberty, who has been planning this for 5 years?

Head in sand.

(05-13-2013 02:54 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:38 PM)rbostic287 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:26 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:25 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  lmfao EKU??? wow, if EKU gets added to the sun belt fbs has gone to hell. EKU does not have fans, eku has people who could not get into UK. Look at NKU before you go talking to EKU...lmfao

Isn't that what your last football coach said about WKU students?

I think we all suffer from some of this some more than others. I find it funny how some of the teams with 'State' behind their name think they are their prospective states Flagship university. In GA it's UGA in FL it's Univ of Florida in Tenn. it's UT. Sorry to bust some of you guys bubble. Then again no one on this board is not that crazy.

Exception would be Ohio, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and Louisiana?

Believe it or not but Penn State is not a state school; nor is Pittsburgh State Univ.

(05-13-2013 04:35 PM)roadkingjim Wrote:  Believe it or not but Penn State is not a state school; nor is Pittsburgh State Univ.

The Pennsylvania State University is not a state school? In what world are you living? PSU/Pitt/Temple all receive state funds in PA.

(05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 04:35 PM)roadkingjim Wrote:  Believe it or not but Penn State is not a state school; nor is Pittsburgh State Univ.

The Pennsylvania State University is not a state school? In what world are you living? PSU/Pitt/Temple all receive state funds in PA.

With Penn State (as the example I will use) is a private university with state agreements for higher education. Their in and out of state tuition is much higher than the "state universities" basically because they do not take guidance or education money from the state or federal level. It is not a state funded university. Pittsburgh State University is in basically the same boat. I know - weird...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealt..._Education

(05-13-2013 02:38 PM)rbostic287 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:26 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:25 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  lmfao EKU??? wow, if EKU gets added to the sun belt fbs has gone to hell. EKU does not have fans, eku has people who could not get into UK. Look at NKU before you go talking to EKU...lmfao

Isn't that what your last football coach said about WKU students?

I think we all suffer from some of this some more than others. I find it funny how some of the teams with 'State' behind their name think they are their prospective states Flagship university. In GA it's UGA in FL it's Univ of Florida in Tenn. it's UT. Sorry to bust some of you guys bubble. Then again no one on this board is not that crazy.

The only states in the union with a single legislatively established flagship University are Arkansas, Connecticut and Louisiana. Two are miserable failures; the other is in a state smaller than some counties in Texas or Alaska.

(05-13-2013 04:28 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 03:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all see it differently pretty much.
1) JMU
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) Missouri State
4) JSU

Do you have any idea of EKU can even afford such a move? Tell me about facilities, scholarships, staffing, Title IX, women's sports, and so on. Some of you just think all a school has to do is accept an invite and they're ready for FBS. This takes years of planning and budget preparations, not to mention the added women's scholarships and so forth. Your head is in the sand, Apps70.

Look at MSU/JMU...even with JMU's 34 million dollar budget they still need to do a feasibility study, and MSU said wait until next year, then contact us. What makes you think Eastern Kentucky of all places is further along than JMU/MSU, not to mention Liberty, who has been planning this for 5 years?

Head in sand.

Many schools never had a study on going FBS, just did it. Studies mainly only help the particular administration justify it to their boards. Go back and read the internet and newspaper articles of when WKU decided to go FBS. Sounded like it was done within days of deciding. Of course other sports may have already been included, but EKU could make a fast decision. Just because you keep saying that you are the only option doesn't make it true. Far from it.
If my head is in the sand, it must be to find LU's chances.

(05-13-2013 04:48 PM)roadkingjim Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 04:37 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 04:35 PM)roadkingjim Wrote:  Believe it or not but Penn State is not a state school; nor is Pittsburgh State Univ.

The Pennsylvania State University is not a state school? In what world are you living? PSU/Pitt/Temple all receive state funds in PA.

With Penn State (as the example I will use) is a private university with state agreements for higher education. Their in and out of state tuition is much higher than the "state universities" basically because they do not take guidance or education money from the state or federal level. It is not a state funded university. Pittsburgh State University is in basically the same boat. I know - weird...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealt..._Education

Penn State is not a private school. It is most certainly a state school as is Pitt and Temple. All three universities receive funds from the "Commonwealth" of Pennsylvania.

It may seem like it is a private school simply because it is so expensive as you said....that is a direct result of two things - 1. The waste that has become higher education, and 2. The state does not support the school very well.

When you combine those to you have the most expensive state school in the country.


http://www.budget.psu.edu/openbudget/income1213.pdf


As you can see 272 million comes from the state of PA. Every year PSU asks for more, every year denied.

You can find the history of state appropriations here - http://www.budget.psu.edu/BOTJuly/BarGraph12-13.pdf

Furthermore, Penn State adheres to the state's public accountability and right to know laws...This does not happen with a private school - http://www.budget.psu.edu/PublicAccount/default.aspx

(05-13-2013 05:13 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 04:28 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 03:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  We all see it differently pretty much.
1) JMU
2) Eastern Kentucky
3) Missouri State
4) JSU

Do you have any idea of EKU can even afford such a move? Tell me about facilities, scholarships, staffing, Title IX, women's sports, and so on. Some of you just think all a school has to do is accept an invite and they're ready for FBS. This takes years of planning and budget preparations, not to mention the added women's scholarships and so forth. Your head is in the sand, Apps70.

Look at MSU/JMU...even with JMU's 34 million dollar budget they still need to do a feasibility study, and MSU said wait until next year, then contact us. What makes you think Eastern Kentucky of all places is further along than JMU/MSU, not to mention Liberty, who has been planning this for 5 years?

Head in sand.

Many schools never had a study on going FBS, just did it. Studies mainly only help the particular administration justify it to their boards. Go back and read the internet and newspaper articles of when WKU decided to go FBS. Sounded like it was done within days of deciding. Of course other sports may have already been included, but EKU could make a fast decision. Just because you keep saying that you are the only option doesn't make it true. Far from it.
If my head is in the sand, it must be to find LU's chances.

I would agree our chances are slim to none at this point...but if ours are 1%...Eastern Kentucky is less than that. I don't know which is worse...the fact that you believe they have a shot...or that you would actually want them over us. That tells me you're not making this decision rationally, or with logic...you just really can't stand Liberty that much and will want anyone over us....even if that school is downright awful for the SBC.

You expect and you deserve, and if you don't pick LU then you must not believe in kittens.
Come on now.

Eastern Kentucky has a 20,000 seat football stadium.
EKU has more appearances in the FCS playoffs than any school except one.
Eastern Kentucky is in a state that the SB is losing a team.
EKU has a higher athletic budget than some SB schools.
Eastern Kentucky doesn't have any problem with the views and aspirations of other SB schools.
EKU won two FCS national championships.
Eastern Kentucky was runner up two times also in the FCS national championships.
EKU is very similar to other SB members being a state school.


Football
2012: 8-3
2011: 7-5 (Playoffs)
2010: 6-5
2009: 5-6
2008: 8-4 (Playoffs)

Basketball:
2013: 25-10 (CIT)
2012: 16-16
2011: 15-16
2010: 20-13 (CBI)
2009: 18-13

Anyone would have to have their head in a barrel to not realize there are several viable potential members, or no addition at all.

(05-13-2013 05:39 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  You expect and you deserve, and if you don't pick LU then you must not believe in kittens.
Come on now.

Eastern Kentucky has a 20,000 seat football stadium.
EKU has more appearances in the FCS playoffs than any school except one.
Eastern Kentucky is in a state that the SB is losing a team.
EKU has a higher athletic budget than some SB schools.
Eastern Kentucky doesn't have any problem with the views and aspirations of other SB schools.
EKU won two FCS national championships.
Eastern Kentucky was runner up two times also in the FCS national championships.
EKU is very similar to other SB members being a state school.


Football
2012: 8-3
2011: 7-5 (Playoffs)
2010: 6-5
2009: 5-6
2008: 8-4 (Playoffs)

Basketball:
2013: 25-10 (CIT)
2012: 16-16
2011: 15-16
2010: 20-13 (CBI)
2009: 18-13

Anyone would have to have their head in a barrel to not realize there are several viable potential members, or no addition at all.

I didn't even realize that EKU had all of that going for them. With all of that said, I'm surprised their name hasn't been in discussions all along. Has Benson ever mentioned them?

(05-13-2013 05:48 PM)6FlagsOverGeorgiaSouthern Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 05:39 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  You expect and you deserve, and if you don't pick LU then you must not believe in kittens.
Come on now.

Eastern Kentucky has a 20,000 seat football stadium.
EKU has more appearances in the FCS playoffs than any school except one.
Eastern Kentucky is in a state that the SB is losing a team.
EKU has a higher athletic budget than some SB schools.
Eastern Kentucky doesn't have any problem with the views and aspirations of other SB schools.
EKU won two FCS national championships.
Eastern Kentucky was runner up two times also in the FCS national championships.
EKU is very similar to other SB members being a state school.


Football
2012: 8-3
2011: 7-5 (Playoffs)
2010: 6-5
2009: 5-6
2008: 8-4 (Playoffs)

Basketball:
2013: 25-10 (CIT)
2012: 16-16
2011: 15-16
2010: 20-13 (CBI)
2009: 18-13

Anyone would have to have their head in a barrel to not realize there are several viable potential members, or no addition at all.

I didn't even realize that EKU had all of that going for them. With all of that said, I'm surprised their name hasn't been in discussions all along. Has Benson ever mentioned them?

Not sure that he has.
Wonder why some claim he is pushing LU?