(05-07-2013 09:28 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:02 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:50 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 08:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  The number of P5 schools who "don't pull their weight" is exaggerated. Pretty much everyone brings something the conference needs. But for the sake of argument there are a handful of schools that meet all of the following:

-Rarely to never win any national titles and rarely to never win their conference in the Big 4 sports

-Are redundant in their market and bring no new TV viewers not already brought by another member

-Are guilty of both of the above but do not make up for it with exceptional academics or AAU status.

There's maybe 3-5 schools who meet all of the above criteria and none of the schools you mention meet that. They all bring several things their conferences want.

Be more specific 10th Mountain. I want to make it clear to you, I'm not upset or pushing for Cincinnati to replace these teams and I realize that many are in their respective conferences for reasons I may not know or understand. I'm simply putting this up for discussion. Mean no harm to current programs. I like Purdue and Indiana and have friends that have attended both schools. Certainly we would love for Cincinnati to be in one of these conferences, but that is not my point.

Purdue has dramatically declining football attendance to the point that Butch Jones (former Cincinnati coach) returned and told the Cincinnati newspapers how bad Purdue was at the time of the interview. He stated Purdue was in a poor position with respect to facilities, attendance and the over football team status.

Cincinnati is perfectly fit for the Big 10 but Ohio State would NEVER allow that to happen. The size of our research activities, enrollment, research patent income, types and sizes of colleges within the university (large medical school with large research facilities, large and well know Law School, Engineering at the doctorate level, Music and voice programs top of the ladder, tier one institution)are all in line with many Big 10 institutions not to mention our midwest loaction. We are not the main state school of Ohio, but the second largest in terms of enrollment and facilities with Akron a close third.

Actually Kent State is third. Akron is not that big. When you add up all their satellite branches they actually have a larger enrollment than UC.

Thank you I figured I was going to have to clear that up.

And Andrewhere it is ok we all get the same feeling whenever you post something so don't worry. Maybe you would feel better if you make another thread talking about how you are going to jump off the USM band wagon? Normally I would say that is a terrible thing to say but USM just might be better off with you gone. I know it would make it easier for outsiders to see that you are not typical for an USM fan.

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(05-07-2013 09:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:28 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:02 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:50 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 08:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  The number of P5 schools who "don't pull their weight" is exaggerated. Pretty much everyone brings something the conference needs. But for the sake of argument there are a handful of schools that meet all of the following:

-Rarely to never win any national titles and rarely to never win their conference in the Big 4 sports

-Are redundant in their market and bring no new TV viewers not already brought by another member

-Are guilty of both of the above but do not make up for it with exceptional academics or AAU status.

There's maybe 3-5 schools who meet all of the above criteria and none of the schools you mention meet that. They all bring several things their conferences want.

Be more specific 10th Mountain. I want to make it clear to you, I'm not upset or pushing for Cincinnati to replace these teams and I realize that many are in their respective conferences for reasons I may not know or understand. I'm simply putting this up for discussion. Mean no harm to current programs. I like Purdue and Indiana and have friends that have attended both schools. Certainly we would love for Cincinnati to be in one of these conferences, but that is not my point.

Purdue has dramatically declining football attendance to the point that Butch Jones (former Cincinnati coach) returned and told the Cincinnati newspapers how bad Purdue was at the time of the interview. He stated Purdue was in a poor position with respect to facilities, attendance and the over football team status.

Cincinnati is perfectly fit for the Big 10 but Ohio State would NEVER allow that to happen. The size of our research activities, enrollment, research patent income, types and sizes of colleges within the university (large medical school with large research facilities, large and well know Law School, Engineering at the doctorate level, Music and voice programs top of the ladder, tier one institution)are all in line with many Big 10 institutions not to mention our midwest loaction. We are not the main state school of Ohio, but the second largest in terms of enrollment and facilities with Akron a close third.

Actually Kent State is third. Akron is not that big. When you add up all their satellite branches they actually have a larger enrollment than UC.

Thank you I figured I was going to have to clear that up.

And Andrewhere it is ok we all get the same feeling whenever you post something so don't worry. Maybe you would feel better if you make another thread talking about how you are going to jump off the USM band wagon? Normally I would say that is a terrible thing to say but USM just might be better off with you gone. I know it would make it easier for outsiders to see that you are not typical for an USM fan.

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I really do need to find another marching band related picture to replace that. The one I had before was just perfect but alas it is gone now.

(05-07-2013 09:34 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:28 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 09:02 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 05:50 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  Be more specific 10th Mountain. I want to make it clear to you, I'm not upset or pushing for Cincinnati to replace these teams and I realize that many are in their respective conferences for reasons I may not know or understand. I'm simply putting this up for discussion. Mean no harm to current programs. I like Purdue and Indiana and have friends that have attended both schools. Certainly we would love for Cincinnati to be in one of these conferences, but that is not my point.

Purdue has dramatically declining football attendance to the point that Butch Jones (former Cincinnati coach) returned and told the Cincinnati newspapers how bad Purdue was at the time of the interview. He stated Purdue was in a poor position with respect to facilities, attendance and the over football team status.

Cincinnati is perfectly fit for the Big 10 but Ohio State would NEVER allow that to happen. The size of our research activities, enrollment, research patent income, types and sizes of colleges within the university (large medical school with large research facilities, large and well know Law School, Engineering at the doctorate level, Music and voice programs top of the ladder, tier one institution)are all in line with many Big 10 institutions not to mention our midwest loaction. We are not the main state school of Ohio, but the second largest in terms of enrollment and facilities with Akron a close third.

Actually Kent State is third. Akron is not that big. When you add up all their satellite branches they actually have a larger enrollment than UC.

Thank you I figured I was going to have to clear that up.

And Andrewhere it is ok we all get the same feeling whenever you post something so don't worry. Maybe you would feel better if you make another thread talking about how you are going to jump off the USM band wagon? Normally I would say that is a terrible thing to say but USM just might be better off with you gone. I know it would make it easier for outsiders to see that you are not typical for an USM fan.

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I really do need to find another marching band related picture to replace that. The one I had before was just perfect but alas it is gone now.

Just messin with ya Sultan. I enjoy your posts.

10th Moutain:

Kent State not larger than UC- not even close. Take note of branches as well

http://www.kent.edu/rpie/enrollment/uplo...ing-13.pdf

https://www.ohiohighered.org/files/uploa...l_2012.pdf

Cincinnati with it's two branch campuses at 9000 equals 42K total

Kent State with it's campuses 27K and 13K 40K total

Ok...

Don't think I ever said it was! :)

(05-11-2013 11:02 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Ok...

Don't think I ever said it was! :)

I thought it was you. No big deal. I could not tell with all the replies. I thought you made the comment.