(05-07-2013 02:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 12:34 PM)DoubleHuskie84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 12:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 11:58 AM)sportsfan Wrote:  All of this talk about ESPN - you can keep ESPN and their national coverage if it will put more butts in the seats.

That and the fact that just this last weekend, I actually got to see the clip of the end of the MAC Championship game from 2012 and I was disgusted by the call. It was all about the "dream dies" for KSU - no chance at a BCS Bowl. They forgot NIU - 2 straight titles and now they have the BCS in their sights. A dramatic 2OT win ending with a 4th down interception in the end zone and all ESPN can come up with is the KSU dream is dead. It made me sick to my stomach.

That was possibly one of the worst broadcasts I have ever seen in my life. Talk about not capturing the moment and gravity of an event. Even after the game when SportsCenter started, when they have the intro with brief audio/video snipets, they showed KSU's game tying TD with "KSU...the potential BCS Buster!!!". In other words, they were already campaigning 10 seconds after the game saying, "Ok mid majors you are done". It was sickening. I used to have respect for Rod Gilmore and enjoy his broadcasts, but no more. The play by play guy was a real idiot though, forget his name. It wasnt completely their fault because you could tell they were instructed to present the game in a certain way.

You should have been at the game with us 3500 faithful.

DoubleHuskie I was at the game, there is a little new creation called a DVR :)

Gotcha.

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:29 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Moving into the Greek community is an exemption? That seems pretty ridiculous. How is that fair to kids have no interest in the Greek Community but want to move out on their own? I can't say I think this is a good policy.

To me this just sounds they built more dorm rooms than they needed and had to try to make up a way to fill the over priced rooms. Dorms are much more expensive than living in an apartment, I think this could be a pretty big deterrant to a lot of kids.

Lincoln and Douglas are on the board to be demoed. Lincoln was going to be demoed this fall if it were basically not for the football teams Orange Bowl bid. Right now they dont know if it will be or not.

The Grant North renovation reduced capacity by 32% (320 beds) due to increasing the room size.

If that's the case, why force kids to spend an incredible amount of money during a recession? And I would not be surprised if you see a backlash against the Greek community clause.

(05-07-2013 04:19 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:29 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Moving into the Greek community is an exemption? That seems pretty ridiculous. How is that fair to kids have no interest in the Greek Community but want to move out on their own? I can't say I think this is a good policy.

To me this just sounds they built more dorm rooms than they needed and had to try to make up a way to fill the over priced rooms. Dorms are much more expensive than living in an apartment, I think this could be a pretty big deterrant to a lot of kids.

Lincoln and Douglas are on the board to be demoed. Lincoln was going to be demoed this fall if it were basically not for the football teams Orange Bowl bid. Right now they dont know if it will be or not.

The Grant North renovation reduced capacity by 32% (320 beds) due to increasing the room size.

If that's the case, why force kids to spend an incredible amount of money during a recession? And I would not be surprised if you see a backlash against the Greek community clause.

The recession has been over for years. The Dow hit an all time high today.

The whole point is to keep kids at NIU until graduation. Tons are transferring out after their second year even though they were in good standing. The kids who live in the dorms or are a Greek are more likely to stay at NIU and more involved then eventually giving back to the school decades down the road.

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:29 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Moving into the Greek community is an exemption? That seems pretty ridiculous. How is that fair to kids have no interest in the Greek Community but want to move out on their own? I can't say I think this is a good policy.

To me this just sounds they built more dorm rooms than they needed and had to try to make up a way to fill the over priced rooms. Dorms are much more expensive than living in an apartment, I think this could be a pretty big deterrant to a lot of kids.

Lincoln and Douglas are on the board to be demoed. Lincoln was going to be demoed this fall if it were basically not for the football teams Orange Bowl bid. Right now they dont know if it will be or not.

The Grant North renovation reduced capacity by 32% (320 beds) due to increasing the room size.

That 320 is for this year right? Next year Grant should be in the 600's with Grant D opening up

(05-07-2013 05:54 PM)nbcards Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:29 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Moving into the Greek community is an exemption? That seems pretty ridiculous. How is that fair to kids have no interest in the Greek Community but want to move out on their own? I can't say I think this is a good policy.

To me this just sounds they built more dorm rooms than they needed and had to try to make up a way to fill the over priced rooms. Dorms are much more expensive than living in an apartment, I think this could be a pretty big deterrant to a lot of kids.

Lincoln and Douglas are on the board to be demoed. Lincoln was going to be demoed this fall if it were basically not for the football teams Orange Bowl bid. Right now they dont know if it will be or not.

The Grant North renovation reduced capacity by 32% (320 beds) due to increasing the room size.

That 320 is for this year right? Next year Grant should be in the 600's with Grant D opening up

Grant North (C & D towers) will have been reduced by 320 beds total.

Each tower was reduced by 160.

Does not the New Hall and reopened Gilbert replace most of what is lost if Lincoln and Douglas go away? They will have about the same number of spots in housing.

(05-08-2013 08:07 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  Does not the New Hall and reopened Gilbert replace most of what is lost if Lincoln and Douglas go away? They will have about the same number of spots in housing.

Yes but it is very close. They were going to demo Lincoln but with the Vision 2020 plan and since the Orange Bowl announcement applications went way up. If those students all decide to go to NIU then they will need Lincoln.

I would bet that there is still a chance that Lincoln does not get used and will be demoed.

Either way Grant South needs to be renovated and reopened. That way this is not an issue. Unfortunately there was just not enough money for it to happen now.

Too bad they could not be demolished before the new rec fields were done. This would have been a good spot for them. My next big desire is get Normal Rd. cut off like they did with Caroll Ave. at the parking deck and student center to really create a central campus area with no through traffic.

(05-07-2013 04:26 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 04:19 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:41 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:29 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Moving into the Greek community is an exemption? That seems pretty ridiculous. How is that fair to kids have no interest in the Greek Community but want to move out on their own? I can't say I think this is a good policy.

To me this just sounds they built more dorm rooms than they needed and had to try to make up a way to fill the over priced rooms. Dorms are much more expensive than living in an apartment, I think this could be a pretty big deterrant to a lot of kids.

Lincoln and Douglas are on the board to be demoed. Lincoln was going to be demoed this fall if it were basically not for the football teams Orange Bowl bid. Right now they dont know if it will be or not.

The Grant North renovation reduced capacity by 32% (320 beds) due to increasing the room size.

If that's the case, why force kids to spend an incredible amount of money during a recession? And I would not be surprised if you see a backlash against the Greek community clause.

The recession has been over for years. The Dow hit an all time high today.

The whole point is to keep kids at NIU until graduation. Tons are transferring out after their second year even though they were in good standing. The kids who live in the dorms or are a Greek are more likely to stay at NIU and more involved then eventually giving back to the school decades down the road.

Don't be silly. The Dow is good for some measures, but not for this discussion in any way.

The middle class has not recovered. Kids who are going to NIU are for the most part not coming from families that have benefited from the recovery at this point.

(05-08-2013 09:30 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  Too bad they could not be demolished before the new rec fields were done. This would have been a good spot for them. My next big desire is get Normal Rd. cut off like they did with Caroll Ave. at the parking deck and student center to really create a central campus area with no through traffic.

I looks like it could happen in 2014.

Grant Central will be gutted soon and made into something like the Stevenson concept with one large hall way connecting both GN and GS.

With no money being appropriated to GS I would have to guess that the towers will reopen when the Grant Central project is finished in fall of 2014. This would likely then be listed as a economy priced dorm.

This should leave enough open beds to not house anyone in Lincoln and allow the demolition.

Hopefully NIU has another partnership like the New Residence Hall East & West where no money has to come out of our pocket. Build it in the place of Lincoln now then Douglas can be taken down and a clear path can be made to Lucinda.

Always hated driving around the dorms. So many damn turns

(05-08-2013 09:48 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Don't be silly. The Dow is good for some measures, but not for this discussion in any way.

The middle class has not recovered. Kids who are going to NIU are for the most part not coming from families that have benefited from the recovery at this point.

First...
That is why they are giving the dorms a more high class feel so they can get the kids whose families are more well off than the typical blue collar


Second...
When I go for a ride and see lots of commercial, residential and industrial buildings being built.

When I go shopping I see long lines and full carts (not talking about food).

When I drive down my street I see new cars in the driveway.

I have not benefited from the recovery (other than my retirement account which I can't touch for 28 more years) but the weight of the recession has passed for myself and it seems most others.

(05-08-2013 10:04 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Always hated driving around the dorms. So many damn turns

That could also be fixed (slightly) with demoing Douglas.

Though the point is they don't want people to drive fast. The turns cause people to slow down.

(05-08-2013 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 09:48 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Don't be silly. The Dow is good for some measures, but not for this discussion in any way.

The middle class has not recovered. Kids who are going to NIU are for the most part not coming from families that have benefited from the recovery at this point.

First...
That is why they are giving the dorms a more high class feel so they can get the kids whose families are more well off than the typical blue collar


Second...
When I go for a ride and see lots of commercial, residential and industrial buildings being built.

When I go shopping I see long lines and full carts (not talking about food).

When I drive down my street I see new cars in the driveway.

I have not benefited from the recovery (other than my retirement account which I can't touch for 28 more years) but the weight of the recession has passed for myself and it seems most others.

It's never wise to use personal experiences to get an idea of how things are going across the country. Corporations / those with money are doing quite well once again.

But it has not followed to the middle or lower class by any means at this point.

(05-08-2013 12:50 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 09:48 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Don't be silly. The Dow is good for some measures, but not for this discussion in any way.

The middle class has not recovered. Kids who are going to NIU are for the most part not coming from families that have benefited from the recovery at this point.

First...
That is why they are giving the dorms a more high class feel so they can get the kids whose families are more well off than the typical blue collar


Second...
When I go for a ride and see lots of commercial, residential and industrial buildings being built.

When I go shopping I see long lines and full carts (not talking about food).

When I drive down my street I see new cars in the driveway.

I have not benefited from the recovery (other than my retirement account which I can't touch for 28 more years) but the weight of the recession has passed for myself and it seems most others.

It's never wise to use personal experiences to get an idea of how things are going across the country. Corporations / those with money are doing quite well once again.

But it has not followed to the middle or lower class by any means at this point.

So how do you explain the other two examples?

(05-08-2013 01:07 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  So how do you explain the other two examples?

What? Everything you said was anecdotal. All your examples were just stuff you saw driving around. That really isn't relevant when you're talking about an entire state or country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/busine....html?_r=0

Quote:WASHINGTON — Incomes rose more than 11 percent for the top 1 percent of earners during the economic recovery, but not at all for everybody else, according to new data.

The numbers, produced by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, show overall income growing by just 1.7 percent over the period. But there was a wide gap between the top 1 percent, whose earnings rose by 11.2 percent, and the other 99 percent, whose earnings declined by 0.4 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/busine...wanted=all

Quote: So far in this recovery, corporations have captured an unusually high share of the income gains,” said Ethan Harris, co-head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. “The U.S. corporate sector is in a lot better health than the overall economy. And until we get a full recovery in the labor market, this will persist.”
..
As a percentage of national income, corporate profits stood at 14.2 percent in the third quarter of 2012, the largest share at any time since 1950, while the portion of income that went to employees was 61.7 percent, near its lowest point since 1966.

This really isn't up for discussion or debate HJ. The recovery has not yet happened for the middle class. I'd imagine they've reached a bottom, but they aren't improving, and they certainly are doing well by any means. The Dow is doing great, the kids from the families that make up the majority of those who would go to NIU are not.

http://moneymorning.com/2013/02/12/u-s-e...americans/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/...-55-older/

I've provided you both liberal and conservative news sources too mind you.

(05-08-2013 04:04 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(05-08-2013 01:07 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  So how do you explain the other two examples?

What? Everything you said was anecdotal. All your examples were just stuff you saw driving around. That really isn't relevant when you're talking about an entire state or country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/busine....html?_r=0

Quote:WASHINGTON — Incomes rose more than 11 percent for the top 1 percent of earners during the economic recovery, but not at all for everybody else, according to new data.

The numbers, produced by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, show overall income growing by just 1.7 percent over the period. But there was a wide gap between the top 1 percent, whose earnings rose by 11.2 percent, and the other 99 percent, whose earnings declined by 0.4 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/busine...wanted=all

Quote: So far in this recovery, corporations have captured an unusually high share of the income gains,” said Ethan Harris, co-head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. “The U.S. corporate sector is in a lot better health than the overall economy. And until we get a full recovery in the labor market, this will persist.”
..
As a percentage of national income, corporate profits stood at 14.2 percent in the third quarter of 2012, the largest share at any time since 1950, while the portion of income that went to employees was 61.7 percent, near its lowest point since 1966.

This really isn't up for discussion or debate HJ. The recovery has not yet happened for the middle class. I'd imagine they've reached a bottom, but they aren't improving, and they certainly are doing well by any means. The Dow is doing great, the kids from the families that make up the majority of those who would go to NIU are not.

http://moneymorning.com/2013/02/12/u-s-e...americans/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/...-55-older/

I've provided you both liberal and conservative news sources too mind you.

Read what you want. I will believe what I actually see.

I don't know anyone that is as bad off as they were in 2009-2010.

For months I couldn't go a day without seeing someone wearing a North Face jacket. Those things aren't cheap - I know, I bought one myself. Lots of people in bars buying beer - expensive beer. People buying new smart phones. Everyone has cable except me.

In any case, there are lots of people that are apparently not hurting.

Then you're an idiot HJ, I just can't respect you in any way with comments like that. If I drive out nice suburbs all day, I'm sure I would think the recession was just a dream too. Of course some people are doing well. What matters is what people on average are doing though, when you're talking about things like this. Particularly average middle and lower class folks, since that's who applies to NIU.

The facts are the facts, I'm sorry if you don't like them, but you can't just put your head in the sand and deny what's happening. Unfortunately for you, the school is getting their money from people who live in the real world, not Huskie John's fantasy world. So those numbers are important. And forcing kids to pay for a dorm which is more expensive should give people pause.

(05-08-2013 04:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  For months I couldn't go a day without seeing someone wearing a North Face jacket. Those things aren't cheap - I know, I bought one myself. Lots of people in bars buying beer - expensive beer. People buying new smart phones. Everyone has cable except me.

In any case, there are lots of people that are apparently not hurting.

I am not talking about those Naperville people though. ;-)


My comparison was my neighbors in Glendale Heights any my Wife's parents neighborhood in Justice which is as typical lower middle class NIU family as you could get.