(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
The ACC is, even with the quasi addition of Notre Dame, several steps behind the other conferences.
I don't think if you put UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, or Pittsburgh in the B1G, the SEC, or the Big XII, that they would average even middle of the pack finishes. I also think Georgia Tech would have difficulty as well averaging a 500 record in any of the other conferences. That's 10 teams in the ACC that I think would struggle in any other AQ conference. That's my opinion, but I think that's the prevaling reason why the ACC is considered a bridge conference between the best conferences and the G5.
that must be a bridge made of gold, most ACC schools make more off the radio/sponsorship rights than they make from tv money
(05-02-2013 02:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote: There is a huge difference between improving your situation and maintaining your situation. Both of those outcomes can be considered successful, but they make for difficult comparisons, so it's hard to say who the "biggest winners" are.
ND basically held its ground, which was a huge accomplishment considering they started off in the catbird's seat and managed to stay there despite coordinated offensives by pretty much every other major conference to wedge them out. Anyway, it's hard to improve on being exactly where you want to be.
In contrast, schools like Louisville, TCU and Utah dramatically improved their respective positions in this game. Rutgers did too. But they are started off about 100 feet below sea level and are nowhere near ND's level and never really will be.
I love comparing things. You can compare a golf ball to an aircraft carrier if you want. But those two situations are really hard for me to compare and find a way to conclude which school was the biggest winner.
UofL fans just LOVE taking shots at Rutgers. hahaha I wonder why?
(05-02-2013 02:28 PM)mj4life Wrote: I have to agree with TerryD, if the Irish play in the Orange Bowl twice, qualify for one of the other access Bowls once & make the 4 team playoff twice over the next 12 year period I think Irish fans would be more than happy. even if they don't a bowl line up that includes the Gator,Champs Sports,Music City,Belk & probably at least one bowl game in Texas provides a solid consolation prize IMO.
it's goign to be a mighty big if to get into the Orange Bowl even once over the next 12 years. For at least 1st 5 times, they have to finish ahead of Big Ten and SEC to get in the orange, and if the SEC has gone all 5 times, then they are locked out as Big Ten gets last 3 times then.
(05-02-2013 02:28 PM)mj4life Wrote: I have to agree with TerryD, if the Irish play in the Orange Bowl twice, qualify for one of the other access Bowls once & make the 4 team playoff twice over the next 12 year period I think Irish fans would be more than happy. even if they don't a bowl line up that includes the Gator,Champs Sports,Music City,Belk & probably at least one bowl game in Texas provides a solid consolation prize IMO.
it's goign to be a mighty big if to get into the Orange Bowl even once over the next 12 years. For at least 1st 5 times, they have to finish ahead of Big Ten and SEC to get in the orange, and if the SEC has gone all 5 times, then they are locked out as Big Ten gets last 3 times then.
(05-02-2013 12:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: TCU's move to the B12 is like hitting a grand slam in the first inning.
Precisely. Nobody in their right mind would say a grand slam in the first inning is anything but great news. Even though there is a lot of game to play and the other team could well make up the difference, you'd rather they have a 4 run deficit to make up than not. If conditions change sufficiently over the coming decade, the Big12 might not be able to renew the GOR, but there's never a sure thing in this world anyway ... under current conditions, obviously there's a better than 50% chance of renewing the GOR, for the same reasons the GOR was agreed to in the first place.
RU hit its grand slam with two out in the bottom of the ninth when it looked like the game was lost for them. Sorry fellas, nobody did better than us in realignment. TCU and Utah did well going from th MWC the BCS. But we went from AAC purgatory and making LESS $$ than the old BE, to the BIG time and the highest payout in college sports. Nobody faced contrasting fates as great as that.
(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
The ACC is, even with the quasi addition of Notre Dame, several steps behind the other conferences.
I don't think if you put UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, or Pittsburgh in the B1G, the SEC, or the Big XII, that they would average even middle of the pack finishes. I also think Georgia Tech would have difficulty as well averaging a 500 record in any of the other conferences. That's 10 teams in the ACC that I think would struggle in any other AQ conference. That's my opinion, but I think that's the prevaling reason why the ACC is considered a bridge conference between the best conferences and the G5.
Agree with the bolded. Not sure where that speculation came from that no one can prove one way or the other.
(05-02-2013 02:18 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote: There is a huge difference between improving your situation and maintaining your situation. Both of those outcomes can be considered successful, but they make for difficult comparisons, so it's hard to say who the "biggest winners" are.
ND basically held its ground, which was a huge accomplishment considering they started off in the catbird's seat and managed to stay there despite coordinated offensives by pretty much every other major conference to wedge them out. Anyway, it's hard to improve on being exactly where you want to be.
In contrast, schools like Louisville, TCU and Utah dramatically improved their respective positions in this game. Rutgers did too. But they are started off about 100 feet below sea level and are nowhere near ND's level and never really will be.
I love comparing things. You can compare a golf ball to an aircraft carrier if you want. But those two situations are really hard for me to compare and find a way to conclude which school was the biggest winner.
UofL fans just LOVE taking shots at Rutgers. hahaha I wonder why?
You could also show the year we were beating them like 56-0 at the end of the first half, or the time we held a pre-game huddle on the Cardinal Head. This wasn't a long rivalry, but it was a good one. I'll miss Ville.
(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
What part did I make up? What I put in bold above or what I've posted again and put in bold below?
(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
What part did I make up? What I put in bold above or what I've posted again and put in bold below?
(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
What part did I make up? What I put in bold above or what I've posted again and put in bold below?
Nobody is really going to know for sure who won realignment for a few years. If New Jersey and Maryland add significantly to the Big 10 earnings then those additions will be regarded differently in a few years. Who knows what the ultimate impact of Notre Dame's quasi affiliation with the ACC will bring? Louisville looks to be good for them. All I know is that Missouri and Texas A&M look to be good additions for the SEC and will bring us more content for the network and larger markets to sell it to. I'm happy with what we have done, but I also want to see how these details play out over the next few years before announcing who won and lost in this process.
(05-02-2013 09:04 PM)JRsec Wrote: Nobody is really going to know for sure who won realignment for a few years. If New Jersey and Maryland add significantly to the Big 10 earnings then those additions will be regarded differently in a few years. Who knows what the ultimate impact of Notre Dame's quasi affiliation with the ACC will bring? Louisville looks to be good for them. All I know is that Missouri and Texas A&M look to be good additions for the SEC and will bring us more content for the network and larger markets to sell it to. I'm happy with what we have done, but I also want to see how these details play out over the next few years before announcing who won and lost in this process.
I wonder why the SEC didn't also add Oklahoma and OSU when it had the chance?
(05-02-2013 07:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: RU hit its grand slam with two out in the bottom of the ninth when it looked like the game was lost for them. Sorry fellas, nobody did better than us in realignment. TCU and Utah did well going from th MWC the BCS. But we went from AAC purgatory and making LESS $$ than the old BE, to the BIG time and the highest payout in college sports. Nobody faced contrasting fates as great as that.
You're forgetting to divide B1G revenue by 14 schools and PAC by 12. Biggest payout difference goes to Utah (old MWC and new MWC less than new/old Big East). Rutgers also loses recruiting presence in SE while Utah gains presence in Cali.
(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote: The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.
even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.
Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?
The ACC is, even with the quasi addition of Notre Dame, several steps behind the other conferences.
I don't think if you put UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, or Pittsburgh in the B1G, the SEC, or the Big XII, that they would average even middle of the pack finishes. I also think Georgia Tech would have difficulty as well averaging a 500 record in any of the other conferences. That's 10 teams in the ACC that I think would struggle in any other AQ conference. That's my opinion, but I think that's the prevaling reason why the ACC is considered a bridge conference between the best conferences and the G5.
Agree with the bolded. Not sure where that speculation came from that no one can prove one way or the other.
Its the general perception. One not helped by the ACC's recent lack of success in football. In basketball, however, the ACC is a great conference. In football, it seems to exhibit lower success rates, much lower attendence, lower funding, and a general lack of energy than apparent in the other AQ conferences. They really dodged a bullet when they convinced Florida State not to bolt.
(This post was last modified: 05-02-2013 10:39 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(05-02-2013 09:04 PM)JRsec Wrote: Nobody is really going to know for sure who won realignment for a few years. If New Jersey and Maryland add significantly to the Big 10 earnings then those additions will be regarded differently in a few years. Who knows what the ultimate impact of Notre Dame's quasi affiliation with the ACC will bring? Louisville looks to be good for them. All I know is that Missouri and Texas A&M look to be good additions for the SEC and will bring us more content for the network and larger markets to sell it to. I'm happy with what we have done, but I also want to see how these details play out over the next few years before announcing who won and lost in this process.
I wonder why the SEC didn't also add Oklahoma and OSU when it had the chance?
The SEC tried but Oklahoma said no. Oklahoma State would be prohibited by the state leg from leaving the Big XII-II without Oklahoma. Also, friggin Alabama didn't want to move to the SEC East. Auburn would gladly have switched.
(This post was last modified: 05-02-2013 10:41 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(05-02-2013 07:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: RU hit its grand slam with two out in the bottom of the ninth when it looked like the game was lost for them. Sorry fellas, nobody did better than us in realignment. TCU and Utah did well going from th MWC the BCS. But we went from AAC purgatory and making LESS $$ than the old BE, to the BIG time and the highest payout in college sports. Nobody faced contrasting fates as great as that.
You're forgetting to divide B1G revenue by 14 schools and PAC by 12. Biggest payout difference goes to Utah (old MWC and new MWC less than new/old Big East). Rutgers also loses recruiting presence in SE while Utah gains presence in Cali.
Not really, thats easily fixed with OOC games. They already have Miami on the upcoming schedule. Throw in some USF and FIU and you're set.
(05-02-2013 09:04 PM)JRsec Wrote: Nobody is really going to know for sure who won realignment for a few years. If New Jersey and Maryland add significantly to the Big 10 earnings then those additions will be regarded differently in a few years. Who knows what the ultimate impact of Notre Dame's quasi affiliation with the ACC will bring? Louisville looks to be good for them. All I know is that Missouri and Texas A&M look to be good additions for the SEC and will bring us more content for the network and larger markets to sell it to. I'm happy with what we have done, but I also want to see how these details play out over the next few years before announcing who won and lost in this process.
I wonder why the SEC didn't also add Oklahoma and OSU when it had the chance?
The SEC tried but Oklahoma said no. Oklahoma State would be prohibited by the state leg from leaving the Big XII-II without Oklahoma. Also, friggin Alabama didn't want to move to the SEC East. Auburn would gladly have switched.
(05-02-2013 07:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: RU hit its grand slam with two out in the bottom of the ninth when it looked like the game was lost for them. Sorry fellas, nobody did better than us in realignment. TCU and Utah did well going from th MWC the BCS. But we went from AAC purgatory and making LESS $$ than the old BE, to the BIG time and the highest payout in college sports. Nobody faced contrasting fates as great as that.
You're forgetting to divide B1G revenue by 14 schools and PAC by 12. Biggest payout difference goes to Utah (old MWC and new MWC less than new/old Big East). Rutgers also loses recruiting presence in SE while Utah gains presence in Cali.
You are forgetting to add the research grant money the CIC helps member schools bring in. That is about four times the amount of the tv money. Our Fla recruiting was never based on getting one game in the state every other year. It is based on FLa producing way more D1 talent than the home schools could keep. Now our profile is being raised which may not matter in Fla, but sure will give us a better chance at keeping the home grown talent from going out of state.
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Matt Brown article: Who Won Realignment?
