how much access Notre Dame got for the Orange Bowl is totally up for debate. I mean, only 2x in 8 years, and they have to finish ahead of SEC and Big Ten to get that access. Last year, if they had lost 1 game, they aren't in the Orange Bowl. 2 games, and they aren't in the BCS period. Being realistic, they have less access now than they did before to the BCS- because the spots are going to be selected on merit rather than popularity. Really hurts the big name schools who finish 14th but get into the BCS on their name.

(05-02-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  how much access Notre Dame got for the Orange Bowl is totally up for debate. I mean, only 2x in 8 years, and they have to finish ahead of SEC and Big Ten to get that access. Last year, if they had lost 1 game, they aren't in the Orange Bowl. 2 games, and they aren't in the BCS period. Being realistic, they have less access now than they did before to the BCS- because the spots are going to be selected on merit rather than popularity. Really hurts the big name schools who finish 14th but get into the BCS on their name.

Don't sweat it, Steve-O. ND will be just fine. :)

You were all doom and gloom about ND's chances of making it past Oregon and Kansas State last November too.

Merit is the way it should be, for all schools.

The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.

(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.

even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.

(05-02-2013 01:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  how much access Notre Dame got for the Orange Bowl is totally up for debate. I mean, only 2x in 8 years, and they have to finish ahead of SEC and Big Ten to get that access. Last year, if they had lost 1 game, they aren't in the Orange Bowl. 2 games, and they aren't in the BCS period. Being realistic, they have less access now than they did before to the BCS- because the spots are going to be selected on merit rather than popularity. Really hurts the big name schools who finish 14th but get into the BCS on their name.

Don't sweat it, Steve-O. ND will be just fine. :)

You were all doom and gloom about ND's chances of making it past Oregon and Kansas State last November too.

Merit is the way it should be, for all schools.

If Oregon and Kansas St don't lose, ND isn't in. Period.

(05-02-2013 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  how much access Notre Dame got for the Orange Bowl is totally up for debate. I mean, only 2x in 8 years, and they have to finish ahead of SEC and Big Ten to get that access. Last year, if they had lost 1 game, they aren't in the Orange Bowl. 2 games, and they aren't in the BCS period. Being realistic, they have less access now than they did before to the BCS- because the spots are going to be selected on merit rather than popularity. Really hurts the big name schools who finish 14th but get into the BCS on their name.

Don't sweat it, Steve-O. ND will be just fine. :)

You were all doom and gloom about ND's chances of making it past Oregon and Kansas State last November too.

Merit is the way it should be, for all schools.

If Oregon and Kansas St don't lose, ND isn't in. Period.

If my aunt had.....

(05-02-2013 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.

even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.

This $AY$ differently:

B1G is making a projected gross of $310

PAC -----------------------------$303

ACC -----------------------------$293

SEC -----------------------------$270

B12 -----------------------------$262

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/16/401...-list.html

There is a huge difference between improving your situation and maintaining your situation. Both of those outcomes can be considered successful, but they make for difficult comparisons, so it's hard to say who the "biggest winners" are.

ND basically held its ground, which was a huge accomplishment considering they started off in the catbird's seat and managed to stay there despite coordinated offensives by pretty much every other major conference to wedge them out. Anyway, it's hard to improve on being exactly where you want to be.

In contrast, schools like Louisville, TCU and Utah dramatically improved their respective positions in this game. Rutgers did too. But they are started off about 100 feet below sea level and are nowhere near ND's level and never really will be.

I love comparing things. You can compare a golf ball to an aircraft carrier if you want. But those two situations are really hard for me to compare and find a way to conclude which school was the biggest winner.

there's no flipping way the ACC is getting 240 million dollars this year for TV. None. That's 20 million per year. I think even the most optimistic folks were saying like 13 or 14 million dollars per school- or like 168 million.

Plus starting next year with the new playoff system
ACC gets the 55 million plus 27.5 million
others get the 55 million plus 40 million

Even with their BS numbers- ACC #4 and with the new SEC deal adding 10 million per school more- 5th in per school money. that's the bottom line.

(05-02-2013 12:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  TCU's move to the B12 is like hitting a grand slam in the first inning.

Precisely. Nobody in their right mind would say a grand slam in the first inning is anything but great news. Even though there is a lot of game to play and the other team could well make up the difference, you'd rather they have a 4 run deficit to make up than not. If conditions change sufficiently over the coming decade, the Big12 might not be able to renew the GOR, but there's never a sure thing in this world anyway ... under current conditions, obviously there's a better than 50% chance of renewing the GOR, for the same reasons the GOR was agreed to in the first place.

I have to agree with TerryD, if the Irish play in the Orange Bowl twice, qualify for one of the other access Bowls once & make the 4 team playoff twice over the next 12 year period I think Irish fans would be more than happy. even if they don't a bowl line up that includes the Gator,Champs Sports,Music City,Belk & probably at least one bowl game in Texas provides a solid consolation prize IMO.

(05-02-2013 02:28 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I have to agree with TerryD, if the Irish play in the Orange Bowl twice, qualify for one of the other access Bowls once & make the 4 team playoff twice over the next 12 year period I think Irish fans would be more than happy. even if they don't a bowl line up that includes the Gator,Champs Sports,Music City,Belk & probably at least one bowl game in Texas provides a solid consolation prize IMO.

it's goign to be a mighty big if to get into the Orange Bowl even once over the next 12 years. For at least 1st 5 times, they have to finish ahead of Big Ten and SEC to get in the orange, and if the SEC has gone all 5 times, then they are locked out as Big Ten gets last 3 times then.

(05-02-2013 02:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  there's no flipping way the ACC is getting 240 million dollars this year for TV. None. That's 20 million per year. I think even the most optimistic folks were saying like 13 or 14 million dollars per school- or like 168 million.

Plus starting next year with the new playoff system
ACC gets the 55 million plus 27.5 million
others get the 55 million plus 40 million

Even with their BS numbers- ACC #4 and with the new SEC deal adding 10 million per school more- 5th in per school money. that's the bottom line.

The amount ($293 mil) that I gave you previously is a projection (speculation). However, you're still $53 mil off the projected amount, which is a big difference despite your opinion of the amount:

B1G is making a projected gross of $310

PAC -----------------------------$303

ACC ----------------------------$293

SEC -----------------------------$270

B12 -----------------------------$262

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/16/401...-list.html

(05-02-2013 02:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 02:28 PM)mj4life Wrote:  I have to agree with TerryD, if the Irish play in the Orange Bowl twice, qualify for one of the other access Bowls once & make the 4 team playoff twice over the next 12 year period I think Irish fans would be more than happy. even if they don't a bowl line up that includes the Gator,Champs Sports,Music City,Belk & probably at least one bowl game in Texas provides a solid consolation prize IMO.

it's goign to be a mighty big if to get into the Orange Bowl even once over the next 12 years. For at least 1st 5 times, they have to finish ahead of Big Ten and SEC to get in the orange, and if the SEC has gone all 5 times, then they are locked out as Big Ten gets last 3 times then.

I understand it won't be easy for them to accomplish option A but my main point is that Bowl options outside the CFP is much better option than they have had in the past. they remain independent, have access to highest level of football's post season,solid bowl options & a strong overall conference for BBall & Olympic sports.What else could they want?

10th Mountain declares the winner of realignment to be....

Utah

-They went to an AQ conference from a conference that was never AQ

-They joined a completely stable AQ conference that was never, and will never, be in any danger of a raid by another conference

-Academically they went from a conference whose top schools are BYU, themselves and Air Force to a conference whose top schools are Stanford, Cal and USC

-Financially, they went from a payout of 1 mil a year to a payout of 20+ a year

IOW, nobody else went from so little to so much with their move.

(05-02-2013 08:04 AM)bullet Wrote:  

Biggest losers:
1) Idaho-they probably give up soon
2) Rice-lost UH, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa for UTSA, UNT, WKU, MTSU
3) UConn-lost fb and bb conference
4) Cincinnati-not quite as big a loss as UConn who was with all those other schools longer
5) USF


Biggest winners
1) TCU-back with old rivals in big money
2) Utah-loses old rivals, but moves up
3) Rutgers-big upgrade
4) Maryland-more money, state has changed and they fit better in B1G in 2014 instead of ACC as they fit in 1953.
5) San Jose St.-appeared headed for oblivion, now back with WAC 16 rivals.

Most of the AQ movers have incomplete scores. Remains to be seen.

I'll agree with all of those except Idaho (and I would put USM on the same line as Rice).

Idaho is no worse off now (SBC football, Big Sky for other sports) than they were in the WAC and maybe better than the old WAC because their non-football teams no longer have to travel to Hawaii and Louisiana.

New Mexico State, on the other hand, is in a worse situation (outside of football) than Idaho, because Big Sky > Zombie WAC.

Winners are easy: Utah, TCU, Rutgers and Louisville

Losers are easy too: Cincinnati, UConn, and Southern Miss

it's goign to be a mighty big if to get into the Orange Bowl even once over the next 12 years. For at least 1st 5 times, they have to finish ahead of Big Ten and SEC to get in the orange, and if the SEC has gone all 5 times, then they are locked out as Big Ten gets last 3 times then.
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You're forgetting that the Big Ten and SEC may send one or two teams to the play offs in a given year, plus the Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl get their picks.

More than likely Notre Dame just needs to finish in front of the third place teams from the SEC and Big Ten. I think the odds that they do that twice in a 12 year span are pretty good.

(05-02-2013 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.

even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.

Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?

(05-02-2013 03:42 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 01:56 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The ACC won by a landslide.... It destroyed another conference with multiple raids that had BCS AQ status—the former Big East.

even with that though, it's still not on equal status to the other 4 AQ conferences.

Do you think people believe you when you just make stuff up?

The ACC is, even with the quasi addition of Notre Dame, several steps behind the other conferences.

I don't think if you put UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, or Pittsburgh in the B1G, the SEC, or the Big XII, that they would average even middle of the pack finishes. I also think Georgia Tech would have difficulty as well averaging a 500 record in any of the other conferences. That's 10 teams in the ACC that I think would struggle in any other AQ conference. That's my opinion, but I think that's the prevaling reason why the ACC is considered a bridge conference between the best conferences and the G5.