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RE: I keep hearing UC will not add to the TV revenue of Big 12?????
(04-30-2013 01:11 PM)kobe Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:38 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  
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(04-30-2013 11:34 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  So how much of an overall revenue enhancement would happen if they added a conference championship game? Would it be enough to offset the splitting of the pie to make it palatable to the rest of the members? If the numbers came close to a wash, it would be a win-win.

Big XII leadership is too myopic for that. I don't care for any of the cats that run that league.

This.

I dont take them as the pro-active bunch, which is why 2 years ago they were on the verge of extinction when Texas and company was on the way to the PAC10/12/14/16 . Their leadership slept on Louisville , West Virginia is hanging out there and they are basically Texas' bit** . Yet they are rich as all get out so why change their philosophy. It will take some playoff committee to say yeah you have to have a 12 team league and a championship game for them to move.

I don't really see them expanding in the next 5-10 years. Cincinnati truly is locked into the American. Thankfully there are some peers like UConn, Memphis and Temple to keep us sane.

Weren't you the Bearcat who was Bounced from this board and another recently?
 
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RE: I keep hearing UC will not add to the TV revenue of Big 12?????
(04-30-2013 11:42 AM)#41 Wrote:  UC probably provides value to the B12 media deal, but the question is whether or not they provide the $20M+ worth of value that would ensure adding them would not reduce every school's media share.

If I'm UC, I think my next move might be to hire a media consultant and determine exactly how much value the school would bring to the B12. Get a dollar amount -- say $12-$13 million -- and go to the B12 and offer to join the conference for some dollar amount less than that per year.

Structure the entrance agreement such that UC will receive 80% of their added conference value for the remainder of this TV contract (so if UC's added-value is $10 million, they get $8 million in TV rights with the remaining $2 million split 10 ways for the remaining B12 schools) and will get a full share (i.e. the same share that Texas, K-State or any other B12 member gets) when the next TV contract is negotiated.

It'd be a win for all parties involved -- UC would almost certainly make more money (albeit less than the rest of the B12 until this TV contract is done) and be in a better conference, the B12 will make more money (every school should get a few hundred-thousand extra), and FOX will have a team with regional interest in a top-30 DMA with the potential to make more money as the brand awareness for UC grows.

Viola -- conference nightmare ended, more money for the school, more exposure, more money for the Big 12, more money for FOX, a travel partner for WVU and the potential for a huge payday for UC when the next B12 contract gets negotiated.

I've often thought this is the angle UC should take. The Big 12 doesn't excite me as much as the ACC, but at this point... hopefully UC is tryng all angles.
 
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RE: I keep hearing UC will not add to the TV revenue of Big 12?????
(04-30-2013 01:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 01:11 PM)kobe Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 12:38 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:43 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:34 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  So how much of an overall revenue enhancement would happen if they added a conference championship game? Would it be enough to offset the splitting of the pie to make it palatable to the rest of the members? If the numbers came close to a wash, it would be a win-win.

Big XII leadership is too myopic for that. I don't care for any of the cats that run that league.

This.

I dont take them as the pro-active bunch, which is why 2 years ago they were on the verge of extinction when Texas and company was on the way to the PAC10/12/14/16 . Their leadership slept on Louisville , West Virginia is hanging out there and they are basically Texas' bit** . Yet they are rich as all get out so why change their philosophy. It will take some playoff committee to say yeah you have to have a 12 team league and a championship game for them to move.

I don't really see them expanding in the next 5-10 years. Cincinnati truly is locked into the American. Thankfully there are some peers like UConn, Memphis and Temple to keep us sane.

Weren't you the Bearcat who was Bounced from this board and another recently?

Yes he is. The moderators are aware. He actually informed us when he started using the new name. He knows that he is on a short leash.
 
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(04-30-2013 11:45 AM)KCat Wrote:  I don't understand this splitting the pot, wouldn't they just go back to
Fox and say we need to add [2] teams and increase the tv contract
accordingly...

I am sure that multiple schools in the Big 12 want 12 and a CCG.
A 1 loss team that wins the CCG and secures 12 wins is a probable
lock for the playoff. Name recognition of Oklahoma and Texas helps
them without a CCG. But as someone posted they are not a forward thinking conference.......losing Nebraska (national brand), Mizzou, Texas AM etc.

Adding TCU was the majority of the members sticking a red hot
poker up Texas's a s s. No way they wanted another Texas team
in the Big 12.
 
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Adding TCU was the majority of the members sticking a red hot
poker up Texas's a s s. No way they wanted another Texas team
in the Big 12.

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If true, all the more reason UC should be lobbying UT as the kingpin and suggesting that OH is the place to expand--not within their own TX media market again with the likes of an SMU or Houston.
 
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RE: I keep hearing UC will not add to the TV revenue of Big 12?????
(04-30-2013 11:43 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:34 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  So how much of an overall revenue enhancement would happen if they added a conference championship game? Would it be enough to offset the splitting of the pie to make it palatable to the rest of the members? If the numbers came close to a wash, it would be a win-win.

Big XII leadership is too myopic for that. I don't care for any of the cats that run that league.

Spot on 04-bow
 
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(04-30-2013 03:10 PM)indycat Wrote:  Adding TCU was the majority of the members sticking a red hot
poker up Texas's a s s. No way they wanted another Texas team
in the Big 12.

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If true, all the more reason UC should be lobbying UT as the kingpin and suggesting that OH is the place to expand--not within their own TX media market again with the likes of an SMU or Houston.

You make too much sense Indycat.
 
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(04-30-2013 11:03 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  But, if the goal is to provide WVU with a travel partner (something I am not convinced is being taken seriously), then that is what I am looking at.

I'm not convinced either. It really shouldn't be that hard to develop a schedule that doesn't screw over WVU basketball. It's the only sport where travel is really an issue, because football only travels once (or twice in some cases) over a 7-day period and the other sports don't matter.

It sucks that UC, WVU and UL couldn't all move together, which would have given them some close friends in whatever conference they ended up.

I still think the ACC eventually gets raided, even if that means the SEC and Big Ten wait until their GOR expires. Neither of them are in any rush, they're printing money. The only thing we can really hope for is that UC weathers the storm until their name is pulled out of the hat..
 
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(04-30-2013 10:55 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 11:03 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  But, if the goal is to provide WVU with a travel partner (something I am not convinced is being taken seriously), then that is what I am looking at.

I'm not convinced either. It really shouldn't be that hard to develop a schedule that doesn't screw over WVU basketball. It's the only sport where travel is really an issue, because football only travels once (or twice in some cases) over a 7-day period and the other sports don't matter.

It sucks that UC, WVU and UL couldn't all move together, which would have given them some close friends in whatever conference they ended up.

I still think the ACC eventually gets raided, even if that means the SEC and Big Ten wait until their GOR expires. Neither of them are in any rush, they're printing money. The only thing we can really hope for is that UC weathers the storm until their name is pulled out of the hat..

WVU will be fine going forward, they had a screwed up schedule last year because the Big 12 gave them Missouri's schedule. The Big 12 isn't going to expand just to give them a travel partner.
 
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I know this is anecdotal with no link, but yesterday on a call-in sports show out of Columbus(the common man), the topic was reallignment. The "expert" took a different view on reallignment that is now commonplace on message boards and such. The host posited to the "expert" that reallignment was over for at least the next ten years. The "expert" was of the opinion that the money involved with the new play-off system will be so large that 100 million dollars for a buyout will be peanuts compared to the slices of pie. He believed that there will be no end in the foreseeable future.
 
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The reason the Big 12 rankings are so low is that they have to confined of an area. They need new blood like the Cincy/Ohio market and possibly
Tampa or Hartford. The problem is if your not in WV why would you watch a Big12 game if your East of the Mississipi or west of the Plains? They are in areas of the country that are largely rural outside of Dallas Austin etc.
maybe KC...They need more overall interest and we are the perfect fit
to add to that as would UCONN and or USF etc. I like the idea of agreeing to a smaller TV payout than the existing members until the next contract is done. With a Championship game in Dallas the revenue would easily be maximized for all.
 
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http://www.kcrg.com/sports/local/Iowas-M...32541.html


IOWA CITY, Iowa — Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany often uses punctuation — usually a period or a comma — to describe his league’s status on expansion. Now a semicolon seems more appropriate.

The Big Ten Conference will move forward in 2014 with 14 members, but officials acknowledge the number could change depending on the college environment. Hence, the semicolon could shift to either a comma or a period with a slight alteration.

“(Delany) is always monitoring the landscape,” said University of Iowa President Sally Mason, who also serves as chairwoman for the league’s council of presidents and chancellors. “It’s hard to know exactly this will all shake out in the years to come, especially in the near-term future. But I would say, as I’ve said previously, we are feeling very good about the future of the Big Ten Conference and certainly the conference partners we have right now. There just isn’t any active discussion for further expansion for the moment.”

The league announced in 2009 it would consider expansion, and Nebraska was accepted as new member in June 2010. Last fall, Maryland and Rutgers became the 13th and 14th Big Ten members and both will begin play in 2014.

The addition of Maryland and Rutgers altered the foundation of college athletics. Rutgers and Louisville — which replaces Maryland in the ACC — will leave the Big East, which since has imploded. Amid speculation that the Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC has interest in plucking some of its members, the ACC’s 15 schools formally adopted a grant of media rights last week. If any member leaves the ACC, its future television revenue would remain with the league through 2027.

“Since the Maryland and Rutgers additions, we’ve been working full speed ahead on administration, financial and academic integration,” Delany said Sunday on BTN. “We’re going to continue to do that. I think that each conference — whether it’s the Big 12, the ACC, the Pac-12, the Big Ten — all of us are alert and aware to what’s going on. I think different entities, conferences, whether it’s the ACC or the Big 12, adopt positions to protect themselves, as they should. Our position really hasn’t changed. We were active, but we’re not active. We’re always alert to what’s going on and watch it.”

Membership in the Association of American Universities, a prestigious consortium of research institutions, remains a primary tenet to Big Ten future expansion. Thirteen of the league’s 14 schools are AAU members. Nebraska was expelled from the AAU shortly after it was accepted into the Big Ten in 2010.

“I certainly would have to think long and hard about the merits of something like that,” Mason said of admitting a non-AAU member into the Big Ten. “We’ve been pretty clear about the quality of institutions that we have thought are appropriate to be a member institution of the Big Ten Conference.”

Sunday, the Big Ten’s council of presidents and chancellors voted to realign the football divisions geographically in 2014 and add a ninth league game in 2016. Delany said on BTN expansion was not on the agenda and discussed during the meeting.

“I think we feel like we’re in a pretty strong position right now,” Mason said. “What we want to focus on for the moment is making certain that our new conference members — whether it’s Nebraska, Maryland or Rutgers — that they’ll all integrated well into the Big Ten Conference. There really isn’t any ongoing active discussions about further expansion at this time.”
 
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