(05-04-2013 03:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:35 PM)EPJr Wrote:  Temple Joins New Big East In Lacrosse, Field Hockey

http://www.vuhoops.com/big-east/2013/5/1...eld-hockey

Thats womens sports. Temple apparently does not have mens Lacrosse.

there was also a link posted(#3) to another article stating that Temple and the others would be associate BE members

(05-04-2013 03:20 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 03:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:35 PM)EPJr Wrote:  Temple Joins New Big East In Lacrosse, Field Hockey

http://www.vuhoops.com/big-east/2013/5/1...eld-hockey

Thats womens sports. Temple apparently does not have mens Lacrosse.

there was also a link posted(#3) to another article stating that Temple and the others would be associate BE members

But none of them have Lax.

(05-04-2013 04:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 03:20 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 03:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:35 PM)EPJr Wrote:  Temple Joins New Big East In Lacrosse, Field Hockey

http://www.vuhoops.com/big-east/2013/5/1...eld-hockey

Thats womens sports. Temple apparently does not have mens Lacrosse.

there was also a link posted(#3) to another article stating that Temple and the others would be associate BE members

But none of them have Lax.

nope.

maybe bellarmine would be a good affiliate for us?

Given that the B1G will take Ohio State and Michigan from the ECAC, and the Patriot League is getting Loyola (MD) for all sports, that leaves Fairfield, Hobart, Bellarmine, Denver, and Air Force.

Fairfield has been reportedly flirting with the CAA, so they would probably be willing to join for lacrosse only if they don't get to join for all sports. Albany is also reportedly a possibility for all sports membership in the CAA as well, so Fairfield could replace them in America East.

The MAAC is adding Monmouth and Quinnipiac for all sports, leaving the NEC with four members in Lacrosse. The MAAC wouldn't need Jacksonville, VMI, and Detroit Mercy so they could move there.

Here's my guess for 2015:

America East (6)
Binghamton, Hartford, Hobart, UMBC, Stony Brook, Vermont

ACC (5)
Duke, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Virginia (Florida State, Pittsburgh, Louisville eventually add programs)

Big East (6)
Bellarmine, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Villanova

Big Ten (6)
Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

CAA (7)
Delaware, Drexel, Fairfield, Hofstra, Massachusetts, St. Joseph's, Towson

Ivy (7)
Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

MAAC (9)
Canisius, Detroit Mercy, Jacksonville, Manhattan, Monmouth, Marist, Quinnipiac, Siena, VMI

Northeast (6)
Air Force, Denver, Mt. St. Mary's, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, Wagner

Patriot (8)
Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Loyola (MD), Navy

(05-05-2013 08:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Given that the B1G will take Ohio State and Michigan from the ECAC, and the Patriot League is getting Loyola (MD) for all sports, that leaves Fairfield, Hobart, Bellarmine, Denver, and Air Force.

Fairfield has been reportedly flirting with the CAA, so they would probably be willing to join for lacrosse only if they don't get to join for all sports. Albany is also reportedly a possibility for all sports membership in the CAA as well, so Fairfield could replace them in America East.

The MAAC is adding Monmouth and Quinnipiac for all sports, leaving the NEC with four members in Lacrosse. The MAAC wouldn't need Jacksonville, VMI, and Detroit Mercy so they could move there.

Here's my guess for 2015:

America East (6)
Binghamton, Hartford, Hobart, UMBC, Stony Brook, Vermont

ACC (5)
Duke, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Virginia (Florida State, Pittsburgh, Louisville eventually add programs)

Big East (6)
Bellarmine, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Villanova

Big Ten (6)
Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

CAA (7)
Delaware, Drexel, Fairfield, Hofstra, Massachusetts, St. Joseph's, Towson

Ivy (7)
Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

MAAC (9)
Canisius, Detroit Mercy, Jacksonville, Manhattan, Monmouth, Marist, Quinnipiac, Siena, VMI

Northeast (6)
Air Force, Denver, Mt. St. Mary's, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, Wagner

Patriot (8)
Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Loyola (MD), Navy

Think it is more likely that Denver/Air Force get in the Big East than Bellarmine. Denver has moved into the upper tier of lacrosse now.

ECAC lacrosse has also signed a TV deal with Fox for next year, so it is very possible is will still exist.

Bellarmine makes more sense due to location. I get adding Denver/Air Force, but affiliates are something you keep at a minimum, and Bellarmine is a cleaner add since that's their only DI sport.

I really doubt the ECAC stops sponsoring lacrosse. I said it in another thread, but with schools adding the sport ECAC will have room to exist. It's a massive orphans program for the NCAA, hundreds of schools are members of the conference. Consider they're not even 15 years old in DI lacrosse and they already don't have a single original member left. Their conference is of a different breed.

(05-05-2013 08:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Given that the B1G will take Ohio State and Michigan from the ECAC, and the Patriot League is getting Loyola (MD) for all sports, that leaves Fairfield, Hobart, Bellarmine, Denver, and Air Force.

Fairfield has been reportedly flirting with the CAA, so they would probably be willing to join for lacrosse only if they don't get to join for all sports. Albany is also reportedly a possibility for all sports membership in the CAA as well, so Fairfield could replace them in America East.

The MAAC is adding Monmouth and Quinnipiac for all sports, leaving the NEC with four members in Lacrosse. The MAAC wouldn't need Jacksonville, VMI, and Detroit Mercy so they could move there.

Here's my guess for 2015:

America East (6)
Binghamton, Hartford, Hobart, UMBC, Stony Brook, Vermont

ACC (5)
Duke, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Virginia (Florida State, Pittsburgh, Louisville eventually add programs)

Big East (6)
Bellarmine, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Villanova

Big Ten (6)
Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers

CAA (7)
Delaware, Drexel, Fairfield, Hofstra, Massachusetts, St. Joseph's, Towson

Ivy (7)
Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

MAAC (9)
Canisius, Detroit Mercy, Jacksonville, Manhattan, Monmouth, Marist, Quinnipiac, Siena, VMI

Northeast (6)
Air Force, Denver, Mt. St. Mary's, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, Wagner

Patriot (8)
Army, Bucknell, Colgate, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Loyola (MD), Navy

Jacksonville, and I think vmi, is/are joining the new A sun lax league with Richmond, Mercer and a couple of others I can't think of right now

Furman (new) and High Point (independent) are the others joining the Atlantic Sun. Depending on VMI and Mercer's all-sports situation, that may be a SoCon-centric league in 2014.

A better guess is that Rutgers hangs as an associate member of the BE for a year and that gives the conference an extra year to find a team in 2015. Either way, the Big East should not expect any at-large bids for the forseeable future.

(05-08-2013 07:47 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  A better guess is that Rutgers hangs as an associate member of the BE for a year and that gives the conference an extra year to find a team in 2015. Either way, the Big East should not expect any at-large bids for the forseeable future.

Isn't there a grace period of 2 years? Which would mean the BE would still gwtbauto bid for the next 3 years at least.

If the Big East adds Richmond as team number 12 then there is no need to worry about lacrosse affiliates. Of course with so many leagues potentially at five members, maybe the NCAA should lower the autobid requirement to five in men's lacrosse, at least until the sport grows enough to make it six again. That would help freeze up some of this out of control realignment which is now trickling down to minor sports.

If the criteria for an AQ is lowered, this would lead to a rapid large scale expansion of the NCAA tournament (percentage of AQ v at large rule) which is something I think the NCAA is hesitant to consider. (I think it has to expand with the start of the Atlantic Sun conference but I don't believe the format is known)

(05-10-2013 08:59 AM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 04:33 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I know that there will be no divisions for 2013-14, but I didn't know that this was written in stone forever.

Divisions would certainly make a lot of sense for a league as spread out as this one is and would save money on the travel budgets.

The BE at 16 (and currently at 15) only had divisions in soccer, and those were not even geographical. Also, you would need full participation at 12 to really consider divisions, otherwise it doesn't matter. The only sports that the C7 currently all compete in are m-w basketball, m-w soccer, w cross country, w tennis and w indoor-outdoor track. Of these, cross country, tennis and track need only meet once each season for a conference championship, so divisions are not necessary (and according to their website, track is not one of Creighton's sponsored sports, so the BE won't get to 12 without an affiliate). Soccer is a possibility if the conference wants to play fewer than 11 conference matches, otherwise why bother. M basketball conferences have gone away from the division setup (see Big XII, SEC), and TV might want MU-GU twice in a season at some point. No idea about divisions in w basketball, but I don't see them being treated differently than the men here.

So if divisions will only impact 1-2 sports at most, why waste time on them as a consideration? Now, balancing East Coast and Midwest schools is a different issue than divisions, if that is even an issue.

You missed women's volleyball which is interesting. All schools have teams but Providence is beyond horrible and played in the American East conference last year with an RPI in the 300's. Whether they will play in the Big East this year remains to be seen. Creighton and Marquette can't be too happy about it but if they go divisions they could miss them or minimize the times they play them.

(05-10-2013 02:57 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 08:59 AM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(05-09-2013 04:33 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I know that there will be no divisions for 2013-14, but I didn't know that this was written in stone forever.

Divisions would certainly make a lot of sense for a league as spread out as this one is and would save money on the travel budgets.

The BE at 16 (and currently at 15) only had divisions in soccer, and those were not even geographical. Also, you would need full participation at 12 to really consider divisions, otherwise it doesn't matter. The only sports that the C7 currently all compete in are m-w basketball, m-w soccer, w cross country, w tennis and w indoor-outdoor track. Of these, cross country, tennis and track need only meet once each season for a conference championship, so divisions are not necessary (and according to their website, track is not one of Creighton's sponsored sports, so the BE won't get to 12 without an affiliate). Soccer is a possibility if the conference wants to play fewer than 11 conference matches, otherwise why bother. M basketball conferences have gone away from the division setup (see Big XII, SEC), and TV might want MU-GU twice in a season at some point. No idea about divisions in w basketball, but I don't see them being treated differently than the men here.

So if divisions will only impact 1-2 sports at most, why waste time on them as a consideration? Now, balancing East Coast and Midwest schools is a different issue than divisions, if that is even an issue.

You missed women's volleyball which is interesting. All schools have teams but Providence is beyond horrible and played in the American East conference last year with an RPI in the 300's. Whether they will play in the Big East this year remains to be seen. Creighton and Marquette can't be too happy about it but if they go divisions they could miss them or minimize the times they play them.

True. I was assuming that since PC had VB and had participated in the BE at one point (winning championships in 1983, 1985 and 1987 according to the BE website), it would eventually move VB to the BE.

(05-10-2013 03:15 PM)trephin Wrote:  I thought I read that PC volleyball plays in the AE because it isnt fully funded which I doubt is going to change in the near future.

How much more funding does it take for volleyball, I find it odd.

I don't know the scholarship numbers but it's like the reverse of why Fairfield plays men's lacrosse in the ECAC. The MAAC wasn't (until very recently) allowing the full 12.6 scholarships so Fairfield left. In comparison to football, 12.6 seems like a drop in a bucket, but I can see PC being strained financially by whatever the volleyball numbers are... maybe someone like gosports1 can shed some light there.

Women's volleyball allows 12 scholarships, which cannot be divided among team members, unlike other sports such as lacrosse or baseball. Depending on how many scholarships Providence is not funding, at $43,115 each, it could be a meaningful amount of money.

(05-11-2013 12:22 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Women's volleyball allows 12 scholarships, which cannot be divided among team members, unlike other sports such as lacrosse or baseball. Depending on how many scholarships Providence is not funding, at $43,115 each, it could be a meaningful amount of money.

So I'm assuming that they don't fund scholarships to be in the America East conference? Seems odd that they can't afford to fund a pretty popular women's sport that ALL the other Big East schools have.

(05-10-2013 04:39 PM)trephin Wrote:  I don't know the scholarship numbers but it's like the reverse of why Fairfield plays men's lacrosse in the ECAC. The MAAC wasn't (until very recently) allowing the full 12.6 scholarships so Fairfield left. In comparison to football, 12.6 seems like a drop in a bucket, but I can see PC being strained financially by whatever the volleyball numbers are... maybe someone like gosports1 can shed some light there.

Its not a fully funded sport which is unfortunate since PC was pretty good at VB at one time. In fact back in my day most of PC sports were successful. PC has dropped a few sports since then.Swimming and Diving isnt fully funded either but i think the other sports are, or soon will be (mens lax) I want to say that the plan is to bring VB up to speed, i think i remember reading that somewhere but im not 100% sure.I believe its to counter for mens lax
PC also has ice hockey that requires some $$ so that could be a factor as well.
PC is also in the process of upgrading or constructing its facilities.
Womens BB and VB was just completed last september. Ice Hockey is being done now. New Soccer/LAX and track & Field facilities to be bulit next. Followed by tennis and softball. Mens BB and field hockey completed a couple of years ago

(05-11-2013 01:04 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  So I'm assuming that they don't fund scholarships to be in the America East conference? Seems odd that they can't afford to fund a pretty popular women's sport that ALL the other Big East schools have.

I'd blindly guess they have 3 scholarships out of the possible 12. Does a scholarship also include room and board? If so then to fully fund 12 scholarships, it's in the range of an additional $450,000 for a program which maybe breaks even? I also am guessing that PC is the smallest school in the conference which plays into he decision. What gosports1 reports is very encouraging for the future though.