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The good news about the waiver rule is it allows kids to get around the ridiculous transfer Where they have to sit a year. Kids get screwed when the coach Leaves for greener pastures and his replacement runs a different system. The ironic unfair and crazy thing is Coaches jump ship all the time and don't sit out a year , Rather, Get Rewarded with multimillion dollar contracts. The bad news about the waiver rule it is arbitrary. It is a "hardship" waiver For a family emergency (Family member dying Seriously ill). How the NCAA decides who Qualifies and who doesn't is Mystery And ripe for litigation if turned down.
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(04-30-2013 09:44 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Threeloff played in quite a few games this year, unless he was coming home for a family medical problem or something, I'm not sure how he'd be eligible for next year. And considering ISU is only like an hour or two away, I don't even know if that argument would fly with the NCAA? Would think it's someone else.

he would need a waiver. I would not expend the rides to have him sit out to play one yr
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(04-30-2013 10:59 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  The good news about the waiver rule is it allows kids to get around the ridiculous transfer Where they have to sit a year. Kids get screwed when the coach Leaves for greener pastures and his replacement runs a different system. The ironic unfair and crazy thing is Coaches jump ship all the time and don't sit out a year , Rather, Get Rewarded with multimillion dollar contracts. The bad news about the waiver rule it is arbitrary. It is a "hardship" waiver For a family emergency (Family member dying Seriously ill). How the NCAA decides who Qualifies and who doesn't is Mystery And ripe for litigation if turned down.

I think the one year rule is a good one and kids should have to sit out a year. It is simply out of control right now, every athlete thinks they are Lebron James and are "taking their talents to X". I think we saw in the tournament with just how bad the basketball was, that this is hurting the game.
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A rule change is in the wind: based upon GPA upperclassmen will b able to transfer without sitting out. That seems fair and stops the silly frosh mentality of the grass always being greener.
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(04-30-2013 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  He played in 20 games.. that's a lot in the eyes of the NCAA. Even if it's limited minutes. Didn't we have a lineman get hurt in like the first game and he wasn't granted a medical redshirt? I'm not sure why Threeloff would be given a waiver? For what? He's already close to home, he was playing on his current team, wasn't seriously injured?

He got hurt before the season started. That situation seemed kind of odd to me.

Loos also was hurt before the 2010 season but IIRC someone said that he may get the Medical RS to play in 2014.
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(04-30-2013 10:48 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  If he comes he would be a very good get as he now has a man's body at 6:10

Sorry, but I strenuously object to the idea he would be "a very good get" even though the bar for this program is as low as Diesel squats. He may have a man's body, but he hasn't proved to be a D-I player or else ISU would have used him more and would want to keep him, especially since he was so tight with Judson, who remains there. Really hope "the good one to come" is in the mix and will be willing to stay here.
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(04-30-2013 09:26 AM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  If they are 6'10", here are some possibilities:

Yasin Kolo, 6-10, F, Fr., East Carolina
Jordan Threloff, 6-10, C, Soph., Illinois State <-- Hometown is DeKalb
Tim Coleman, 6-10, C, Jr., Alabama State
Brandon Bolden, 6-10, C. Fr., Georgetown
Adrian Diaz, 6-10, PF, Soph., Kansas State
Devonte Elliott, 6-10, F, Jr., Nevada
Volo Gerun, 6-10, F, Soph., West Virginia
Derrell Robertson, 6-10, C, Soph., DePaul

Maybe a package deal from KSU.
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uiniu, Tre got squeezed by mueller when Jank left for coach in waiting at SMU...he played a decent amount during redshirt frosh year (I saw 5 of those games) and he fit into the Valley pretty well....played 10 minutes a game and shot 54% from field...averaged 3.2 points and 3.3 rebounds (equates to double double points/boards in the Valley if got 30 minutes a game)....been practicing against an all MVC senior center for last 3 years...the dude can play....but, I agree, another big who is more athletic may be in the offing and would be a bigger signing...

as far as Jud, he had no say in Mueller changing the style ISU played where Tre was odd man out....don't fool yourself, this homegrown kid will be a good MAC player...but if he doesn't get a waiver, may not be worth 2 years of schollie for one year of play after having sat out 3 of 4 years prior...
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Is there any precedent there for a healthy kid (or at least healthy enough to play), already living near home, that hasn't graduated, that was getting play time, getting a waiver? Or a reason anyone can see why he would get one?
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(04-30-2013 12:17 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  [quote='HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN' pid='9282711' dateline='1367331990']
If they are 6'10", here are some possibilities:

Adrian Diaz, 6-10, PF, Soph., Kansas State

Maybe a package deal from KSU.

Quote:Adrian Diaz has played his last basketball game at Kansas State. Diaz, a sophomore forward, has decided to transfer in hopes of joining a program closer to his home in Miami, K-State announced on Monday.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/08/416...rylink=cpy

Although maybe he finds out no schools near Miami are interested and he follows his teammate, if what he said is true, doesn't look likely.
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there are tons of precedents.....it is a HARDSHIP waiver....and many have availed themselves of it if a family member is seriously ill, dying or needs help/care...

ESPN reported that the NCAA approves HALF of all waiver applications:

"One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."

It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.

So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.

First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).

Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:

Overall (all Division I sports):

Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied

Football

Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied

As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:

Basketball

Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied

Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied

How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above.

Anyway, how does the NCAA decide cases involving the health of a family member? Again, the answers are cloudy. According to Schuh, there is no set criteria. Rather, every case is decided independently, on its own merits, based on specific circumstances.

"There are a number of factors that are considered with the criteria, some of which include the relationship of the individual to the student-athlete and proximity from transferring institution to where the individual lives/is being treated, to name a couple," Schuh said in an email. "Each case is reviewed and determined based on its own merits, so it would not be accurate for me to say if any one factor is weighted more than another nor if cases that look similar on the surface have different outcomes."

It's a tricky calculus. The NCAA must balance sensitivity to the family of a player, and that player's wish to be nearer an ill relative, while also ensuring the rule doesn't become (if it hasn't already) a cynically exploited loophole allowing players to transfer a year earlier than they might otherwise have done.

Without a clear line of demarcation, it's easy to see how that exploitation could happen. As the NCAA considers streamlining its transfer policies, and seeks to bring conferences together on a set of universal transfer requirements, it might also considering clarifying its stance on the various flavors of hardship waiver requests."
(This post was last modified: 04-30-2013 12:46 PM by cagy cager.)
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But he already lives near home.. I understand the hardship waiver in principle. I've seen it used many times. I'm just surprised a kid who goes to a school this close to home would qualify.
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what is "near?" That is the NCAA's dilemma.....being 80+ miles away doesn't allow him to get home at lunchtime or in the evening to check on a sick relative or run to the store to get meds or food or whatever....not to mention how the "drop-ins" from being a mile or two away add to the emotional comfort of a loved one.....
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Since, we are talking Threloff, he is not near home. He is not close enough to be here in a crisis or to help take care of a family member. Threloff runs the floor well rebounds and blocks shots and can finish around the rim. He would be a major, major improvement over the grays. He would help us win no question about it!
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My apologies if I missed this, do we know of a family emeregency that qualifies under the hardship waiver? If this is legit, then it's a possibility. Here in lies the problem the NCAA faces and the world faces, you establish policies and procedures for a reason, and then everyone tries to finesse the line and get around or under on a technicality. Personally, I saw him play several times in high school, both as a writer covering games he played in and also as a high school basketball fan, he is not the answer to what NIU needs.
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I know Treloff is a local kid but having seen him play on occasion I hope this isn't the transfer that is being breathlessly reported.
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(04-30-2013 01:23 PM)niu2222 Wrote:  Since, we are talking Threloff, he is not near home. He is not close enough to be here in a crisis or to help take care of a family member. Threloff runs the floor well rebounds and blocks shots and can finish around the rim. He would be a major, major improvement over the grays. He would help us win no question about it!

Judging by this post I'm pretty sure 2222 thinks/knows it is Threloff
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Here is the link about Michael Orris from NIU Huskies

http://www.niuhuskies.com/sports/m-baskb...13aab.html
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So with the Gray's we are -2 scholarships right now with one more hush hush transfer being mentioned on here...right?
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Didn't see that Mader is out.
http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid...pid9280903

That would put us at -1 with one more being mentioned on here.
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