(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  @carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  @carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

In part, I'd guess, Purdue has ambitions of trying to spend enough on FB to keep up with the Big Ten powers, but they'll never be able to keep up with the FB ticket revenue and booster donations of Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Nebraska, or Wisconsin.

But partly, as I said above, he's just blowing smoke. A home game with ND every other year would sell out at twice the ticket price they charge for a game against Indiana.

(04-29-2013 12:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  @carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

In part, I'd guess, Purdue has ambitions of trying to spend enough on FB to keep up with the Big Ten powers, but they'll never be able to keep up with the FB ticket revenue and booster donations of Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Nebraska, or Wisconsin.

But partly, as I said above, he's just blowing smoke. A home game with ND every other year would sell out at twice the ticket price they charge for a game against Indiana.

Well this news just verifies what I have thought for a long time. Purdue is moving to the SEC...

Perdue: spineless chickens!



Oh, you meant PURDUE!

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130428...ame-series

The schools have met every season since 1946 and have an agreement through 2021.

“I don’t think either one of us is eager to lose the rivalry,” Burke said. “He has issues. I have issues. We’ll see if we can work them out. If we can, I know we will. I know there’s an interest on his part and my part to see if we can make it work.

“If it turns out we have to have a short break, we’ll have a short break in order to get on the right rotation. I don’t think we’re in a situation where Notre Dame and Purdue will never play. The issue is whether we can come up with a rotation that works for both sides.”

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

One for each girls and guys team. Adds up.

(04-29-2013 02:03 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  A question I've had for years (ever since this realignment stuff and TV deals started happening)...

At what point does the TV money outweigh the extra home game.

Interesting point. I suspect the TV money is far better. Especially for many lower-tier B1G schools, who don't sell-out those FCS games.

These teams also want to pad the schedule & get that bowl bid. Schedule 4 ooc patsies, beat up on a couple of perennial conference doormats & you're bowl eligible. The coaches & ADs are all about preserving their job & bowl bids, even lackluster ones, help with that. It's also a feather in the cap when recruiting. It's something that the conference has tolerated.

I think Minnesota killed the arrangement when they began losing to FCS teams from the Dakotas.

(04-29-2013 01:09 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

One for each girls and guys team. Adds up.

Again..... the word "budget".

(04-29-2013 01:04 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  http://www.indystar.com/article/20130428...ame-series

The schools have met every season since 1946 and have an agreement through 2021.

“I don’t think either one of us is eager to lose the rivalry,” Burke said. “He has issues. I have issues. We’ll see if we can work them out. If we can, I know we will. I know there’s an interest on his part and my part to see if we can make it work.

“If it turns out we have to have a short break, we’ll have a short break in order to get on the right rotation. I don’t think we’re in a situation where Notre Dame and Purdue will never play. The issue is whether we can come up with a rotation that works for both sides.”

From the same article:

Asked last week if there was room for Purdue on Notre Dame’s future schedules, senior associate athletic director for media and broadcast relations John Heisler said:

“All this remains a work in progress as we collaborate with the ACC to determine how to slate five games with ACC opponents beginning in 2014,” Heisler wrote in an email. “We're also awaiting whatever plans the Big Ten makes to play additional league games, and how that may impact non-conference scheduling.”


Purdue and ND may continue playing every year, on an occasional basis, or not at all.

I am personally rooting for the last option. Time will tell.

Any tips? I'd love to drop WVU from Maryland's schedule.

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

(04-29-2013 12:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-28-2013 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  @carminjc: Burke on playing 7 home games vs. keeping ND: "I cannot balance the budget on six home games. Can’t do it. It doesn't work." #Purdue

How on earth can a school raking in Big 10 money have trouble "balancing the budget"?

Only answer is that they spend every nickel they get and fund every possible sport.
Purdue did cancel 2 of the 4 games that UC has scheduled with them because
it seemed they were going to a 9 game conference schedule.

Not including expenses, what does Purdue make on a home game?
2-3 Million in ticket sales?

(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

Texas and Notre Dame in the same conference? Imagine that. A primadonna sharing the same conference with another primadonna. That was a recipe for disaster. The ACC is a good fit for Notre Dame not just because of the NE/SE exposure but because the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc......in other words the ACC replaced the Big East as the conference where Notre Dame gets its cake and eats it too. Good for Notre Dame.

(04-29-2013 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  ...the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc...

Don't tell Florida State that - they think they were the ACC's prima donna!

(04-29-2013 02:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  ...the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc...

Don't tell Florida State that - they think they were the ACC's prima donna!

The ACC is more balanced and they have like minded programs. Sure Florida State has a bigger budget than Wake Forest but the disparity is not as big as Ohio State and Indiana or USC and Washington State or Florida and Mississippi State or Texas and Baylor. Notre Dame in the Big Ten would had to deal with Michigan and Ohio State, Texas and Oklahoma in the Big XII. That's why the ACC is a better fit for Notre Dame just like the Big East was at some point.

(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

I think it worked out just fine myself. I didn't want the Irish in the B12, unless they were coming in for all sports, which wasn't an option...

Of course, partial membership was an extreme longshot at best, and it eventually worked out best for ND too. They got the partial membership they wanted, in the area of the country they wanted. The B12 stayed at 10 schools, which is perfect for WVU to attempt to build new rivalries and replace all those they lost due to realignment...

So everybody got what they wanted, more or less...

(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

You know I think the ACC - ND deal was far better for the ACC than ND (Irish had to surrender about 40% of their football schedule to play lousy ACC teams while the ACC got about $40 million more per year from their media deals thanks to ND participation), so if you really did leverage Big 12 interest in that bargaining, i shudder to think what the terms of the ACC - ND deal would have been without that leverage.

(04-29-2013 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

Texas and Notre Dame in the same conference? Imagine that. A primadonna sharing the same conference with another primadonna. That was a recipe for disaster. The ACC is a good fit for Notre Dame not just because of the NE/SE exposure but because the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc......in other words the ACC replaced the Big East as the conference where Notre Dame gets its cake and eats it too. Good for Notre Dame.

actually the ACC was smarter than the Big East, not only did they get a contractual obligation of 5 games but also will make money off those games.

(04-29-2013 03:10 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:39 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 09:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  BTW I love how ND & JS totally played Deloss Dodds and the Big 12 to get the deal they wanted from the ACC. Dodds is an idiot. There aren't any Catholics to speak of in Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and West Virginia. The Big 12 never had a chance at luring ND.

I'm glad ND didn't associate itself with the B12. I had my fill of their partial membership in The BEast. Now the ACC, and several old BEast schools, can have start losing out on bowl appearances and bowl money to the Irish. More power to 'em...

The Big 12 (especially Deloss Dodds) wanted ND very badly as a partial member. There were talks with both the Big 12 and ACC at the same time.

ND more than likely leveraged this Big 12 partial membership interest when negotiating with the ACC. That was just good business.

Several Big 12 representatives expressed surprise and disappointment when ND chose the ACC.

I think that the only way that ND would have chosen the Big 12 was if the ACC would not change its "all or nothing" stance.

Once the ACC did, though, it was no contest. ND was looking for continued access to the Northeast and Southeast.

It had no real interest in a conference mostly located in the Great Plains.

The Big 12 never stood a real chance of landing ND in competition with an Eastern conference.

In the end, I think that it worked out well for all parties.

Texas and Notre Dame in the same conference? Imagine that. A primadonna sharing the same conference with another primadonna. That was a recipe for disaster. The ACC is a good fit for Notre Dame not just because of the NE/SE exposure but because the ACC lacks a program a la Texas, Ohio State, USC, Florida, etc......in other words the ACC replaced the Big East as the conference where Notre Dame gets its cake and eats it too. Good for Notre Dame.

actually the ACC was smarter than the Big East, not only did they get a contractual obligation of 5 games but also will make money off those games.

Considering that the ACC had members who had dealt with the Irish and their false promises before, that's not all that surprising. Fool me once and all...