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RE: Women's basketball players leaving the program
(05-01-2013 12:49 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
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Quote:Glad you understand that this board is more entertaining when their is discussion and a little bit of banter going back and forth. Though I think Cullop has done an excellent job up to this point, I don't think she deserves a statue outside Savage yet. Because we've done so well in the WNIT, it doesn't really excite me anymore. My expectations for this program are now NCAA tourney or bust for each season. Fair?? Absolutely not but I really want to see us compete on the highest level. I think this program has the resources to become a top 25, highly respectable mid-major team, year in and year out.

I agree with most everything Mike (RF) said except I want the program to be a MAJOR-Major team instead............and at 25th in the country in attendance, it is....04-rock

Sorry to correct you Terry - But I am going to anyway, we were 20th in the country in attendance.

Actually, I think the final ranking (once the WNIT games were added, which were lower than the rest of the season avg) was worse than 20th. The WNIT games brought the avg down.

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(05-01-2013 04:36 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Honestly I don't think we are taking a huge hit outside of the Center position.

I hope you are right but remember this teams strength was defense and although there are 5 players returning with some experience, unlike this year, the bench is going to be almost completely devoid of any game experience. As you note we not likely have an intimidating shot blocker such as Yo working under the basket and I doubt Lucretia Smith's intensity on D will be easily matched.....and a defense is only as good as its weakest link. You are putting a great deal of faith on an incoming recruiting class that is going to be required to significantly contribute from day 1.

Of course it is possible that you are right, but if so a lot of stars are going to have to align perfectly, meaning a lot of the recruits are going to have to step up immediately---no time for a lengthy development program next year. Now by the end of the season they may have gained enough experience to make a tourney run and they will certainly compile no worse tourney record than this year's highly rated team..
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(04-30-2013 10:51 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
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(04-30-2013 09:50 PM)temoxley Wrote:  "Around 40% of all basketball players transfer before the end of their second year. People just love to complain about UT's recruiting, so this just gives them more fodder."

Actually midnight you got this stat a little wrong. See below http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/c...3fa9d.html Its true that 40% of MENS basketball players transfer in the first two years but you got it wrong for women's players!!!!! You just applied the men's stat to argue the women's case. Actually only 8.2 percent of women's basketball players transferred in 2010-11. So that would suggest that Toledo's 4/15 is well above the average wouldn't you think?

You're right. We suck. We always will suck. Our coaching sucks. Our recruits suck. We'll never be able to beat out anyone for any recruits, that's why we have to go overseas. We might as well get rid of our WBB program. It's not like we've averaged almost 27 wins over the last 4 years. But I agree, our recruiting has sucked ever since Coach Cullop has arrived.

Wouldn't it seem reasonable to you to admit that you used misleading stats to make your point? And then instead of a sarcastic tirade how about providing a rationale and analytical defense of your point of view.

Well, that article says 10.7% of MBB players transfer every year. So WBB transfer is not far off of the MBB rate.

Now continue on saying our recruiting sucks, even tho they've averaged almost 27 wins over the last 4 years.

Please find where in any of my blogs I said that our recruiting sucks. Once again you misrepresent the facts buddy.
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(05-01-2013 05:48 AM)Dwight Wrote:  
(04-30-2013 09:50 PM)temoxley Wrote:  "Around 40% of all basketball players transfer before the end of their second year. People just love to complain about UT's recruiting, so this just gives them more fodder."

Actually midnight you got this stat a little wrong. See below http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/c...3fa9d.html Its true that 40% of MENS basketball players transfer in the first two years but you got it wrong for women's players!!!!! You just applied the men's stat to argue the women's case. Actually only 8.2 percent of women's basketball players transferred in 2010-11. So that would suggest that Toledo's 4/15 is well above the average wouldn't you think?

Your comments are always thoughtful and in this case certainly informative. It seems, though, that you are much more motivated to comment when you see a problem than when something makes you happy, which might explain the bitter and sarcastic response that you drew from midnight. (Well, that plus the fact that no one likes to be told when they are wrong.)

When it comes to WBB, the board seems to be divided into the "rah-rah" types who find it disloyal to criticize, and those who only post when they want to point out a problem. Although my love for the WBB program makes it hard for me to say anything negative in public, I do think that this board would not be worth following if the only posters were the cheerleaders. So thanks to you and the other skeptics for your comments.

With the quick disappearance of all three players, even the most loyal among us must admit that last year's recruiting class was an absolute bust. But I, for one, am not nearly ready to suggest that the program is on the downswing. If Cullop has a bad year or two, then maybe the hand-wringing would make more sense. Right now, her record speaks for itself, and I have a feeling that some unproven players will step up next year to make the team competitive for a conference championship once again.

I agree with your insights. Regarding my comments generally ... there is so much rah rah on the board I don't see much point in also waving the banner. So I try to add some fair balance when the tone of the comments seem to be overlooking significant issues. Not sure I succeed but that is my motivation. Some of our friends on the board seem incapable of looking at both sides of the issue. What bothers me is when they distort the stats they quote or attribute comments to those of us who didn't make them. Given that we are apparently all Lady Rocket fans you would think they would attempt to be more respectful.
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I just get scared when we loose an entire recruiting class. You'll see the same thing with what happened to a few of Amstutz's classes. He had a few doozie of a recruiting years that by the time they were seniors there were few if any left in the class and we were the perpetual "young" team. Lots of talent, but you can't start Freshmen vs. Seniors and expect to win a MAC championship.
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(05-02-2013 08:51 AM)emanoh Wrote:  I just get scared when we loose an entire recruiting class. You'll see the same thing with what happened to a few of Amstutz's classes. He had a few doozie of a recruiting years that by the time they were seniors there were few if any left in the class and we were the perpetual "young" team. Lots of talent, but you can't start Freshmen vs. Seniors and expect to win a MAC championship.

Obviously nobody likes to lose an entire recruiting class but there was essentially no game experience lost because they did not have any so I figure their leaving is no big loss from that perspective anyway. OTOH I would have been much more concerned had, for example, Coach Cullop been offered tOSU job and Inma decided to move on with her.

The 2012 recruiting class is the only Cullop class so far that has been a complete bust. Next year at least some members of the 2013 class are going to be thrown into the fire immediately by necessity and it shouldn't take too long to find out how good or not it is. Until proven otherwise I am assuming that the 2012 class was an anomaly and I will be surprised (and disappointed) if the 2013 class does not produce several productive players early on.
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(05-01-2013 01:45 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(05-01-2013 12:49 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
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I agree with most everything Mike (RF) said except I want the program to be a MAJOR-Major team instead............and at 25th in the country in attendance, it is....04-rock

Sorry to correct you Terry - But I am going to anyway, we were 20th in the country in attendance.

Actually, I think the final ranking (once the WNIT games were added, which were lower than the rest of the season avg) was worse than 20th. The WNIT games brought the avg down.

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I stand corrected - Which doesn't happen often!!!
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(04-28-2013 04:21 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Thanks for your hard work while at UT. So...dudettes are gone, move on.

Dudettes are gone. That's a nice touch. I assume you know each of them personally and can enlighten us on why they each is leaving the program. They must be a bunch of losers if they walk away from Toledo, right? By the way still waiting for you to find my quote where I said recruiting sucks.
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(05-02-2013 12:30 PM)UT1 Wrote:  
(05-01-2013 01:45 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
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(05-01-2013 10:55 AM)Terry Wrote:  I agree with most everything Mike (RF) said except I want the program to be a MAJOR-Major team instead............and at 25th in the country in attendance, it is....04-rock

Sorry to correct you Terry - But I am going to anyway, we were 20th in the country in attendance.

Actually, I think the final ranking (once the WNIT games were added, which were lower than the rest of the season avg) was worse than 20th. The WNIT games brought the avg down.

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I stand corrected - Which doesn't happen often!!!

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(05-02-2013 02:30 PM)temoxley Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 04:21 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Thanks for your hard work while at UT. So...dudettes are gone, move on.

Dudettes are gone. That's a nice touch. I assume you know each of them personally and can enlighten us on why they each is leaving the program. They must be a bunch of losers if they walk away from Toledo, right? By the way still waiting for you to find my quote where I said recruiting sucks.
Give it a rest!!
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(05-02-2013 12:30 PM)UT1 Wrote:  I stand corrected - Which doesn't happen often!!!


No more often than 1,004 times on this board! 03-wink
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(05-02-2013 02:30 PM)temoxley Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 04:21 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Thanks for your hard work while at UT. So...dudettes are gone, move on.

Dudettes are gone. That's a nice touch. I assume you know each of them personally and can enlighten us on why they each is leaving the program. They must be a bunch of losers if they walk away from Toledo, right? By the way still waiting for you to find my quote where I said recruiting sucks.

You haven't been around here long enough to know about the "Dude's gone, move on" slogan. And I have no problem if people decide to leave - as long as they do it the right way (like pass their classes, and not just leave like some of the previous mens players did without regard for their classes). People have their own reasons for leaving places - whether it be leaving a school or job or whatever.
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(04-28-2013 03:37 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Per Joe Nugent's twitter page.....

Michele Hayes, Taylor Carver and Kendyl Nunn are all leaving the Toledo womens basketball program. All three would of been sophomores 13-14

None of the girls were that great, 2 of them were guards and not very tall. Taylor Carver saw the handwriting on the wall for next year, she knew she wasn't going to play next season.
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(05-03-2013 01:40 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 03:37 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Per Joe Nugent's twitter page.....

Michele Hayes, Taylor Carver and Kendyl Nunn are all leaving the Toledo womens basketball program. All three would of been sophomores 13-14

None of the girls were that great, 2 of them were guards and not very tall. Taylor Carver saw the handwriting on the wall for next year, she knew she wasn't going to play next season.

Again, Nunn was, I believe, the highest rated recruit in MAC history. Not sure where I read that and I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure I read it. She was a four star.
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(05-03-2013 06:40 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 01:40 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  
(04-28-2013 03:37 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Per Joe Nugent's twitter page.....

Michele Hayes, Taylor Carver and Kendyl Nunn are all leaving the Toledo womens basketball program. All three would of been sophomores 13-14

None of the girls were that great, 2 of them were guards and not very tall. Taylor Carver saw the handwriting on the wall for next year, she knew she wasn't going to play next season.

Again, Nunn was, I believe, the highest rated recruit in MAC history. Not sure where I read that and I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure I read it. She was a four star.

I know she was a 4 star by ESPN. However, she didn't make first team all-city and only HM all-state. Never saw her play, so I really can't comment on her ability.
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I wonder if it wasn't a combination of her injury and not showing anything in practice over her redshirt year. Still would have liked to see her play. [/font]
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(05-03-2013 06:40 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Again, Nunn was, I believe, the highest rated recruit in MAC history. Not sure where I read that and I can't confirm but I'm pretty sure I read it. She was a four star.

I have to think that rating system was implemented after Kim Knuth played. She was Miss Michigan Basketball and as long as we are talking about just high school accolades, as I recall Lisa Miller was Miss Pennsylvania Basketball.
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She was largely overshadowed by her teammate and sister who was a five star as I recall.
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