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Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
I'm guessing more likely.

CAVEAT: I don't believe that ACC expansion is or has been likely under either scenario.

Unstabile conferences expand out of need, i.e. replacement of departing members or as a buffer against future anticipated defections. Rarely do they expand as part of a planned process of growth.

Stabile conferences expand out of a position of strength. They take advantage of future opportunities. I don't believe that the ACC was ever unstable in and of itself, but the whole climate was one of instability for everyone. With the GOR eliminating that, the ACC is now in a better to assess its opportunities and plan to enhance its product in ways that are favorable to itself than it was before.

The ACC will only expand in the near future if it sees 2 candidates who can enhance their product and increase their media package.with the encroachment of the B1G into the NY-DC corridor, the ACC can evaluate the benefits of solidifying its hold on New England by adding UConn. The advantage is that UConn is a flagship in a state of 3.6 million and is the only sports franchise in the state - college or pro. Currently the ACC has only 2 state flagships among its membership - UNC and UVA - something that is very unusual for a major conference. The conference can now evaluate UConn as to its value or lack of value to its revenue package without concern for defections of football interests. This is no small matter because they are now competing head-to-head with the B1G in the Northeast. Before it was only Penn State football, but now it is 3 state flagships in NY, Philly, Baltimore, and DC. It is also potential rivals in basketball as well as in football. Anything that the ACC can do to strengthen itself in this region has to be a positive for them, given their commitment to Syracuse & Pitt in the region, followed by the loss of Maryland.

I do not expect the ACC to add UConn.

Cincinnati is the other prospect. It's value is that it would be only the second major program in a state with a population of 11 million. As strong as Ohio State's hold is on that market, even a small share of the Ohio market is big. Think of them as the Texas A&M of Ohio. The positive is that Cincy would strengthen the ACC's command of the Ohio Valley now that they have added Louisville.

I do not expect the ACC to add Cincinnati.

The two have to be seen as a package and a weakness in the candidacy of either of them is a weakness for both of them.

Whatever small chance there might be has IMO been enhanced. Conventional wisdom is that expansion is now less likely. It will be interesting to follow the conversations to see if there is any interest. The ACC has moved over the past decade ion a playful way. I expect that they will continue to do so. They can now concentrate on their future without the distractions of continuous realignment.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
I think the ACC is going to take a wait and see to see if anyone (maybe Texas) can eventually be shaken loose.

That said if it comes to down to UC vs. UConn while I would rather have UConn there seems to be a consensus among long time ACC fans that the lawsuit that named people personally has not been forgotten. Couple that with BC not wanting you guys in the ACC and your prospects look not so great. I think if forced to pick between just those two schools UC will get the call.

I think had there been mass defections from the ACC (UNC, UVA, FSU) you guys probably would have gotten in but the GOR was the final nail in the coffin for UConn's ACC hopes.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
Obviously the need to expand is just not there for the ACC at this time. The ACC will have 14.2 members after July 1st, which makes it the largest of the 5 contract bowl conferences already...
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
No expansion unless it involves Texas or Navy -- not sold on the notion of a disgruntled Penn State.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
My guess is the ACC will expand towards the end of the Big12 GOR. They'll try to get Texas in a Notre Dame type relationship and call it a day.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
I think the best move the acc could make is a 24 team football only merger with the big 12, 4 pods of 6 with a 5-1-1-1 format. The trick is how to fit those pieces into a title game. Ideally, get the ncaa to grant a 2 game playoff setup for leagues of 24 or more. Option 2 is the go bcs style with the 2 highest rated pod winners meet in the champ game. Option 3 is to include ND in the pool for champ game access, i.e. the 2 highest rated from the 4 pod winners and ND. I kinda like option 3, so ND would be included in the title game. Pods would be:

s: tex, tex tech, tcu, baylor, ou, osu
w: ku, ksu, isu, lville, wvu, pitt
e: unc, duke, nc state, wake, uva, va tech
n: bc, cuse, clem, ga tech, fsu, miami

The 2 highest ranked teams from the 4 pods winners and ND would meet in a title game. The winner of that game meets the sec champ in the sugar bowl.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
If the ACC expanded I would want UConn more than any other school that is realistically available, but I have a feeling a lot of other fans and ACC leaders don't feel the same way.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
(04-24-2013 09:08 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think the best move the acc could make is a 24 team football only merger with the big 12, 4 pods of 6 with a 5-1-1-1 format.

Fail. Too many mouths to feed, not enough TV dollars to accommodate.

Same thing can virtually be accomplished with a scheduling alliance.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
(04-24-2013 09:03 AM)krux Wrote:  My guess is the ACC will expand towards the end of the Big12 GOR. They'll try to get Texas in a Notre Dame type relationship and call it a day.

that would be fun!
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
(04-24-2013 09:14 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:08 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think the best move the acc could make is a 24 team football only merger with the big 12, 4 pods of 6 with a 5-1-1-1 format.

Fail. Too many mouths to feed, not enough TV dollars to accommodate.

Same thing can virtually be accomplished with a scheduling alliance.


How are you both an ECU and ACC fan? Isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron?
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
Much less likely.

The GOR basically amounts to all the schools saying "I like it here, but I'm not sure my neighbors aren't trying to move out" I don't think FSU or Clemson or anyone else WANTED to leave but the fear of the others leaving is dangerous. The GOR eliminated that threat.

In Conference realignment there are two reasons to expand Security and Profit. The GOR just eliminated the Security factor so the only thing left is the money issue. At this point I don't see anyone the ACC is capable of getting that would add to the money deal.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
(04-24-2013 09:17 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:03 AM)krux Wrote:  My guess is the ACC will expand towards the end of the Big12 GOR. They'll try to get Texas in a Notre Dame type relationship and call it a day.

that would be fun!

I agree. Every current ACC school would have either ND or TX on their schedule in most years. (2/3) I presume. Now if we could get both schools to agree to 6/7 games under the caveat that one of those games is against each other we could close that gap as well.
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I could see it if WVU some how shakes out and pair Them with UC to fill in the footprint as I really don't see ND in full-time for Football. Both would strengthen the FB status of the ACC as well as making BB ridiculously over the top.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
No expansion until ND wants/needs to join full time. Or Texas falls out of the sky and lands in the ACC's lap.
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RE: Does GOR make ACC expansion more likely or less likely?
(04-24-2013 09:24 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:14 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 09:08 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I think the best move the acc could make is a 24 team football only merger with the big 12, 4 pods of 6 with a 5-1-1-1 format.

Fail. Too many mouths to feed, not enough TV dollars to accommodate.

Same thing can virtually be accomplished with a scheduling alliance.


How are you both an ECU and ACC fan? Isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron?

I could answer that question, but this well-conceived thread would derail into a 10-page pissing match that would end up in the Verbal Assault Area.

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