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(04-24-2013 10:08 AM)eagleriffic Wrote:  There is little out there for the big12 to expand with unless they go after aac teams. The pac12 will take texas, tx tech, ou & ok state & move to 16. this allows kansas & maybe k state or west virginia to move into the big10.

It takes 9 votes in the PAC to expand. Assuming you think you think the Texhoma 4 will join CU, UU, UA and ASU to form an east division, the most votes that proposal will ever get is 8. And, I doubt it would get that many. Also, Texas is adamant about not playing on the west coast.

As far as there not being any schools to expand with, every school in the MWC, AAC and C-USA would be on the phone if there was the slightest hint that the Big 12 was thinking about expansion. The only exceptions would be Air Force and possibly Navy. Of course, none of those schools are anything more than mouths to feed to the Big 12.
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I'm surprised so many of you are adamant about Missouri remaining in the SEC even if the B1G offered. The B1G likely means more money, and MO is basically cannon fodder in the SEC. The geography of the SEC works okay for them, so I know that isn't a major issue. But I don't see how you can think turning down the B1G would be some kind of easy decision.
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Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year, We are not Alabama, but we are not cannon fodder. It also remains to be seen which conference ends up making the most TV revenue... our 5-7 season was sub par with major injuries and all, but the SEC fans sealed the deal with Missouri fans last year. They were awesome. They didn't give us the Heisman Hand either... We are still signing kids out of the KC area (so much for the Jayhawk argument) and St Louis is totally on board. The closest the B1G will ever get to Mizzou is a revival of the Mizzou-Illini game in St Louis...
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

That makes sense. Someone else was posting about population growth rates and such, and over the extremely long term, it's probably better to be associated with southern universities than northern universities anyway.
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year, We are not Alabama, but we are not cannon fodder. It also remains to be seen which conference ends up making the most TV revenue... our 5-7 season was sub par with major injuries and all, but the SEC fans sealed the deal with Missouri fans last year. They were awesome. They didn't give us the Heisman Hand either... We are still signing kids out of the KC area (so much for the Jayhawk argument) and St Louis is totally on board. The closest the B1G will ever get to Mizzou is a revival of the Mizzou-Illini game in St Louis...

Mizzou is a much better brand than Maryland and Rutgers...Delaney was idiotic for not taking Mizzou.
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(04-24-2013 02:30 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year, We are not Alabama, but we are not cannon fodder. It also remains to be seen which conference ends up making the most TV revenue... our 5-7 season was sub par with major injuries and all, but the SEC fans sealed the deal with Missouri fans last year. They were awesome. They didn't give us the Heisman Hand either... We are still signing kids out of the KC area (so much for the Jayhawk argument) and St Louis is totally on board. The closest the B1G will ever get to Mizzou is a revival of the Mizzou-Illini game in St Louis...

Mizzou is a much better brand than Maryland and Rutgers...Delaney was idiotic for not taking Mizzou.
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year

You're welcome, sir.

Missouri was the better "get" and it may never become publicly acknowledged, but I will wonder if B1G poobahs (not fans, but decision makers) will regret giving Mizzou the stiff-arm treatment.

Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.
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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year

You're welcome, sir.

Missouri was the better "get" and it may never become publicly acknowledged, but I will wonder if B1G poobahs (not fans, but decision makers) will regret giving Mizzou the stiff-arm treatment.

Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.

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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year

You're welcome, sir.

Missouri was the better "get" and it may never become publicly acknowledged, but I will wonder if B1G poobahs (not fans, but decision makers) will regret giving Mizzou the stiff-arm treatment.

Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.
I am biased here of course, but I really believe we fit with the fans much better than Maryland or Rutgers, but I wish them both well.
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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 01:52 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year

You're welcome, sir.

Missouri was the better "get" and it may never become publicly acknowledged, but I will wonder if B1G poobahs (not fans, but decision makers) will regret giving Mizzou the stiff-arm treatment.

Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.
I am biased here of course, but I really believe we fit with the fans much better than Maryland or Rutgers, but I wish them both well.

I have nothing but pleasant things to say about Rutgers.

I have nothing but pleasant things to say about Maryland.
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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.

I've often wondered if Nebraska isn't just a rural version of Miami. Both of them seem to have their glory years pretty far back in the rear view mirror.
And by moving to the B1G, Nebraska volunteered for the same problem WVU has - no natural place to recruit.

Getting Texas recruits was easy when you played games in Texas. But getting those same recruits to move to corn country is a lot more difficult when the games are in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin.

It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 to 15 years, Nebraska was considered third best of the B1G's three additions.
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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.

I've often wondered if Nebraska isn't just a rural version of Miami. Both of them seem to have their glory years pretty far back in the rear view mirror.
And by moving to the B1G, Nebraska volunteered for the same problem WVU has - no natural place to recruit.

Getting Texas recruits was easy when you played games in Texas. But getting those same recruits to move to corn country is a lot more difficult when the games are in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin.

It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 to 15 years, Nebraska was considered third best of the B1G's three additions.
Nebraska has no cultural or geographical identity with the mid eastern B1G, other than maybe Iowa. A state population of less than two million. Its more sparse than Mississippi, of whom so many folks here state their schools have no business in the SEC. The B1G saw a "brand" and bought the pretty red corvette. You are correct and we will see how it works out ten years from now. And like the rest, I would have jumped too and I wish them well.
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(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.

I've often wondered if Nebraska isn't just a rural version of Miami. Both of them seem to have their glory years pretty far back in the rear view mirror.
And by moving to the B1G, Nebraska volunteered for the same problem WVU has - no natural place to recruit.

Getting Texas recruits was easy when you played games in Texas. But getting those same recruits to move to corn country is a lot more difficult when the games are in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin.

It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 to 15 years, Nebraska was considered third best of the B1G's three additions.

They didn't rely that much on Texas when they were in the Big 8. They recruited nationally. Hasn't hurt Notre Dame or Tennessee to have no talent in their backyard. Just have to work a little harder.

They have a brand and diehard fans and will continue to be good. Whether they get back to being Nebraska or slip to being a Wisconsin is an issue, but they will definitely be the top of the 3 additions.
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(04-24-2013 04:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 03:55 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-24-2013 03:03 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Nebraska is nice and all, but their brand was built on what is now a non-existent rivalry -- Nebraska v. Oklahoma.

I've often wondered if Nebraska isn't just a rural version of Miami. Both of them seem to have their glory years pretty far back in the rear view mirror.
And by moving to the B1G, Nebraska volunteered for the same problem WVU has - no natural place to recruit.

Getting Texas recruits was easy when you played games in Texas. But getting those same recruits to move to corn country is a lot more difficult when the games are in Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin.

It wouldn't surprise me if in 10 to 15 years, Nebraska was considered third best of the B1G's three additions.

They didn't rely that much on Texas when they were in the Big 8. They recruited nationally. Hasn't hurt Notre Dame or Tennessee to have no talent in their backyard. Just have to work a little harder.

They have a brand and diehard fans and will continue to be good. Whether they get back to being Nebraska or slip to being a Wisconsin is an issue, but they will definitely be the top of the 3 additions.
Oh, they have already slipped below Wisconsin...
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year, We are not Alabama, but we are not cannon fodder. It also remains to be seen which conference ends up making the most TV revenue... our 5-7 season was sub par with major injuries and all, but the SEC fans sealed the deal with Missouri fans last year. They were awesome. They didn't give us the Heisman Hand either... We are still signing kids out of the KC area (so much for the Jayhawk argument) and St Louis is totally on board. The closest the B1G will ever get to Mizzou is a revival of the Mizzou-Illini game in St Louis...
Did anyone seriously suggest that KU would start to dominate football recruiting in KC? If so, they've been knocking back a few, or perhaps enjoying some herbal supplements. 04-cheers

I do think that the KC area likely has the highest affinity of Big 12 vs SEC in the state, but I don't see Missouri going anywhere else. I do think they very much have their work cut out for them in the SEC, but (and this is not intended to be snarky) while they had some good seasons recently it's not like they were regularly sitting atop the Big 8/12 over the past 3 decades. Missouri is a solid addition for the SEC on many levels, and I can't see them leaving.
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.
Thank you ecuacc4ever. That's the point I have been driving home for over a year, We are not Alabama, but we are not cannon fodder. It also remains to be seen which conference ends up making the most TV revenue... our 5-7 season was sub par with major injuries and all, but the SEC fans sealed the deal with Missouri fans last year. They were awesome. They didn't give us the Heisman Hand either... We are still signing kids out of the KC area (so much for the Jayhawk argument) and St Louis is totally on board. The closest the B1G will ever get to Mizzou is a revival of the Mizzou-Illini game in St Louis...
Did anyone seriously suggest that KU would start to dominate football recruiting in KC? If so, they've been knocking back a few, or perhaps enjoying some herbal supplements. 04-cheers

I do think that the KC area likely has the highest affinity of Big 12 vs SEC in the state, but I don't see Missouri going anywhere else. I do think they very much have their work cut out for them in the SEC, but (and this is not intended to be snarky) while they had some good seasons recently it's not like they were regularly sitting atop the Big 8/12 over the past 3 decades. Missouri is a solid addition for the SEC on many levels, and I can't see them leaving.
BTP... I am referring to a lot of media reports that the KC area was totally against any SEC move and that a lot of the HS players might take a Big XII scholarship. There are Mizzou-Jayhawk fans on both sides of the state line and family members living in opposite states of each other. If Mizzou were to lose out in a recruiting war, the KC area was supposed to be a Missouri weak spot. I am merely stating that from what has happened since our move has proved this to be incorrect. That said, when do we play again?
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Nebraska was at its height when they were allowed partial qualifiers and to use the entire state to fund Corn husker football.

Without those 2 advantages, NU has had a hard time sustaining their previous success
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(04-24-2013 04:53 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nebraska was at its height when they were allowed partial qualifiers and to use the entire state to fund Corn husker football.

Without those 2 advantages, NU has had a hard time sustaining their previous success
And the University of Texas called BS on them for that after joining the Big XII....hence the ill-will by Nebraska towards the Longhorns.
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(04-24-2013 11:38 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Had the B1G not shown Mizzou the "Heisman Hand" the last go'round, I'd agree with you, but something about being jilted will loom, and especially given how welcoming the SEC was to Mizzou last season. They're staying put, plus they have recruiting grounds in Texas and Florida.

True, the SEC's league office was very welcoming to Mizzou, but the fans were left scratching their heads. SEC fans don't really want Mizzou and have ridiculed their football from Day 1.

Mizzou cares a lot about basketball, too, while it's not really a priority in the SEC (Kentucky and 1-2 others are obvious exceptions).

Academics? Mizzou is a better fit with the B1G.

So while unlikely, I could see a possibility of both Mizzou and Vandy seriously weighing a B1G offer, if there was one.
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