You people are bat **** crazy if you think this is the resume of a aweful coach.

Indiana
21–13 (10–6) 4th NCAA 1st Round
25–12 (11–5) T–1st NCAA Finals
21–13 (8–8) 6th NCAA 2nd Round
14–15 (7–9) T–9th
15–14 (10–6) T–4th NIT 1st Round
19–12 (9–7) T–4th NCAA 2nd Round

UAB
15–16 (7–9) T–8th
23–11 (12–4) 2nd NIT 2nd Round
22–11 (11–5) 3rd NIT 1st Round
25–9 (11–5) T–3rd NIT Quarterfinals
22–9 (12–4) 1st NCAA First Round
15–16 (9–7) T–5th

Texas Southern
17–14 (16–2) 1st (Champs, but ineligible for postseason)
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254–165
5 NCAA (7-5 record in the tourny)
1 Final Four(Runner Up)
Won a Conf Championship at every job hes been

Indiana found out the grass wasn't always greener and haven't had the success they had with him since firing him, UAB looks well on their way to the same.

(04-26-2013 07:53 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You people are bat **** crazy if you think this is the resume of a aweful coach.

Indiana
21–13 (10–6) 4th NCAA 1st Round
25–12 (11–5) T–1st NCAA Finals
21–13 (8–8) 6th NCAA 2nd Round
14–15 (7–9) T–9th
15–14 (10–6) T–4th NIT 1st Round
19–12 (9–7) T–4th NCAA 2nd Round

UAB
15–16 (7–9) T–8th
23–11 (12–4) 2nd NIT 2nd Round
22–11 (11–5) 3rd NIT 1st Round
25–9 (11–5) T–3rd NIT Quarterfinals
22–9 (12–4) 1st NCAA First Round
15–16 (9–7) T–5th

Texas Southern
17–14 (16–2) 1st (Champs, but ineligible for postseason)
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254–165
5 NCAA (7-5 record in the tourny)
1 Final Four(Runner Up)
Won a Conf Championship at every job hes been

The guy went to the NIT or NCAA 9 out of 12 years at Indiana and UAB, would have went to at least the NIT at Texas Southern to if they were eligible. Even in most of his "down" seasons he was still finishing 4th and 5th in conference.

Indiana found out the grass wasn't always greener and haven't had the success they had with him since firing him, UAB looks well on their way to the same.

I have to put my two cents in here. UAB is not willing to accept going to the NIT year after year. I know that the NIT that many years in a row would be epic for ECU but not for a school with the basketball history of UAB. The one year UAB got into the NCAA was a play in game. That was as good as it got for Davis at UAB. Which isn't good enough for them and wouldn't be at UTEP either. Is Mike Davis a bad coach? No. Is he a great coach? No. Is he okay/average? YES. Schools like UAB and UTEP are not willing to accept average when it comes to basketball. And average for those schools would be great for others. ECU.

Davis was an awful coach. End of story.Now, let's move on....

(04-26-2013 08:13 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  I have to put my two cents in here. UAB is not willing to accept going to the NIT year after year. I know that the NIT that many years in a row would be epic for ECU but not for a school with the basketball history of UAB.

When you draw flys and have 100+ resources like UAB in a mid major conference, it's pretty epic overachieving for anyone to go top 50 and get NIT/NCAA bids. They will pull up records from a different era, power conference situation to recruit with that will never happen again, but they are irrelavant to the situation now. That was overachieving for a school with 100+ resources and the current situation.

Quote:The one year UAB got into the NCAA was a play in game.

Play in game is just fancy wording for the new 68 team tourny. That was an At Large bid and a successful top 30 type season. Keep fishing

Quote:That was as good as it got for Davis at UAB.

Yet I bet they don't make an NIT this year or have the kind of success in the next 4 years Davis had. If Haase puts together 4 straight top 50 teams and 3 NIT's and an NCAA/Conf Championship I'll eat crow. I doubt I have to though or he even keeps up pace this year.

Quote:Which isn't good enough for them and wouldn't be at UTEP either.

UTEP actually has fans, support and resources. You should demand more. UAB is overachieving for the resources they have.

Quote:Is Mike Davis a bad coach? No. Is he a great coach? No. Is he okay/average? YES.

Average coaches don't got to national finals.

Quote:Schools like UAB and UTEP are not willing to accept average when it comes to basketball. And average for those schools would be great for others. ECU.

Yet we outdraw them, have more resources, are building nicer facilites, going to a better conference, and currently have a better team. Those are things that matter moving forward. They have nothing foundational and every coach and player that enjoyed the past success they point to is gone. So are the conference situation that made it possible.

(04-26-2013 08:36 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Average coaches don't got to national finals.

Since you're so up on the here and now, where is Mediocre Mike employed currently?

(04-26-2013 09:11 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 08:36 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Average coaches don't got to national finals.

Since you're so up on the here and now, where is Mediocre Mike employed currently?

Davis probably had other options, he was up for the Miami job the year before you fired him. I imagine he probably picked a place he would have job security to finish out his career. He won a conf championship in year one and would have at least went to the NIT this year at Tex Southern if they were eligible. Probably even the NCAA. I'll bet he makes it to the NCAA there before Haase does.

Heh, he'd had to win a conference tournament game first.

SJ, Haase must have been getting his scouting reports from you. You were talking about how small the UAB guards were, and looky here:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...um=twitter

It's too bad Haase doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

(04-26-2013 09:55 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, he'd had to win a conference tournament game first.

They weren't allowed to play in the conf tourny but his team ended the season on a 12 game win streak with an average margin of victory of 19 points per game. I think it's safe to say chances are he would most likely have carved that tourny up the way his team dominated that conference and were playing to end the season.

(04-26-2013 10:24 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  SJ, Haase must have been getting his scouting reports from you. You were talking about how small the UAB guards were, and looky here:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...um=twitter

It's too bad Haase doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

Wait I thought you guys were going to sign another big man you were saying yesterday. If Davis had signed this JUCO with these offers.....

"""He had taken a visit to Southern University in Baton Rouge, La., and had interest from Chicago State, Robert Morris, Maryland-Baltimore County and North Texas as well.""""

You guys would have flipped your $hit. His stats sounds good but to have offers like that in the late signing period and be a 23 year old Junior somethings got to be up.

(04-26-2013 11:21 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  T I think it's safe to say chances are he would most likely have carved that tourny up

That would be a radical change from his time at UAB.

That, and while he might "tear it up" in the SWAC tournament, he's still the coach of a SWAC team.

I profound step down from Indiana AND UAB.

(04-26-2013 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  That, and while he might "tear it up" in the SWAC tournament, he's still the coach of a SWAC team.

I profound step down from Indiana AND UAB.

He inherited a team on probation with SWAC players too that were no ways that good the year before. It's still relative. Ending the year on a 12 game win streak with an average margin of victory of 20 points is good whoever you are playing.

Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

(04-26-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

How did you get that out of what I said. It's still relative. All you really need to know is Davis improved the program he took over in his first year. Haase did worse than the previous year with inherited players.

(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

How did you get that out of what I said. It's still relative. All you really need to know is Davis improved the program he took over in his first year. Haase did worse than the previous year.

The question isn't whether a coach did worse than the previous year. See Major following Lutz's last team. The question is whether the coach did what was expected of him or, in some cases, whether the coach did better than the previous coach would have. An argument that the old coach had an RPI of 120 and then new coach had an RPI of 160 is completely specious. The idea can be approached in two manners

(A) Would the old coach have had an RPI better than 160? This is a weaker argument because it doesn't account for changed styles of play, player defections, etc.

(B) A two prong approach.
(1) Did the old coach need to leave? This is binary. It was either time for a change or not.
(2) Did the new coach do as well as alternative realistic hires?

Approach B is difficult to quantify, but it is probably the most sound way to approach the issue. Was it time for Lutz or Davis to move on? Yes or no. Did the new coach do as well as alternative realistic hires would have done (considering change of play, new players, etc.)? Yes or no.

If the answer to the second question in approach B is "no," it does not invalidate the answer in question 1. If the old coach needed to be changed, then he needed to be changed. The biggest fallacy in all of sports is that the new guy didn't work so the old guy should've been kept. Whether the old guy should've been kept is an entirely separate inquiry from whether the new guy works out.

It is also a fallacy to look strictly at RPI, etc., in the first 2-3 years and discuss improvement of a new coach outside of the rare case of a coach that is able to sign a bunch of high-end players immediately, etc. New coaches benefit from a more experienced team from the old coach, or the cupboard may be left bare by the old coach, some players may not fit the new system, or there was a lack of an ability to recruit because of a shortened timeframe, etc.

(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

How did you get that out of what I said. It's still relative. All you really need to know is Davis improved the program he took over in his first year. Haase did worse than the previous year with inherited players.

1. How much money do you owe Mike Davis. He must have you compromised in some way. Either that or you're his mother.

2. Did Jerrod Haase steal your girlfriend in middle school, or is it a Carolina thing?

Well, I think we can take Charlotte out of the running. We just lost another player to transfer. Our best young players are still with the team, but we lost two valuable role players this week.

(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

How did you get that out of what I said. It's still relative. All you really need to know is Davis improved the program he took over in his first year. Haase did worse than the previous year with inherited players.

Let's say you are accurate... UAB financial support and fanbase is the cause for it fall and not coaching...

How are you going to compete in the AAC?

Budgets
Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane Not Available
UConn $62,993,983
Cincy $43,688,807
South Florida $43,494,246
UCF $42,806,123
Memphis $40,307,245
Houston $33,450,817
ECU $32,220,961

(04-26-2013 01:14 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 11:42 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Why does the no players excuse fly for Davis and not for Haase?

Oh, and you realize at UAB, it was both Haase's problem and Davis' fault, yes?

How did you get that out of what I said. It's still relative. All you really need to know is Davis improved the program he took over in his first year. Haase did worse than the previous year with inherited players.

Let's say you are accurate... UAB financial support and fanbase is the cause for it fall and not coaching...

How are you going to compete in the AAC?

Budgets
Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane Not Available
UConn $62,993,983
Cincy $43,688,807
South Florida $43,494,246
UCF $42,806,123
Memphis $40,307,245
Houston $33,450,817
ECU $32,220,961

The first and fastest way to do it is to maximize revenues from basketball. If any sport at ECU has not been maximizing revenues, then it is definitely basketball. But that is going to change, thanks to the recent conference switch; the post season run and modernization of Minges Coliseum. More sellouts should happen when there are more brandname opponents on the schedule. Hell ECU had a good little run of fans just with the regular season and post season run; so add in UConn, Cincy, Temple and USF to go along with Memphis and UCF, then you can see why ECU will average quite a few folks.

(04-26-2013 01:14 PM)ICB Wrote:  How are you going to compete in the AAC?

Budgets
Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane Not Available
UConn $62,993,983
Cincy $43,688,807
South Florida $43,494,246
UCF $42,806,123
Memphis $40,307,245
Houston $33,450,817
ECU $32,220,961

I'm a lot more concerned where we rank nationally. Any year we are in the top 100 I think we have overachieved based on our current resources, spending, and support. The higher we rank the more we have overachieved.

It takes top 30 teams to get at larges from CUSA and there are about 100 schools with better facilites, support and more money trying to compete than either of us. Davis was overachieving consistently having you in the top 50, 4 of the last 5 years. You guys are just to blind to see it and that the special situations like a coach leaving UCLA to go to a start up or old power CUSA are long gone today.

Is he still going on about UAB? Good grief. See you on the court where it matters.