(04-27-2013 11:54 AM)HXC NINER Wrote:  Or just disappear until offseason, AMIRIGHT?

I came back the next day and posted several times during the season. I've since been banned. I'd hate the off season too though if I had to watch my team and program implode the the last 2 months of the season on into the signing period. Dude you guys got 7 players right now and ZERO signed. You guys aren't a player next year unless you sign someone decent and the chances of that happening grow less each day.

BTW I remember your giddyness in predicting we'd be in the same conference and how quick your football had caught up. AMIRIGHT, not very often.

In response to an attempt to argue that ECU will finish or currently has a better 2013 recruiting class by the infamous but persistent StillJonesing. Not gonna waste time listing pirates signees. But I will give a little bit of info on the blazer signees.

Tosin Mehinti
Center
6'9 225lbs
Decatur, GA
Offers: Uab, Temple, Mississippi State, Georgia, Auburn, Drexel, Duquesne, Georgia Tech, Miami, Minnesota, Old Dominion, Ole Miss, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, , Vanderbilt Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
PROOF:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/uab/basketball/r...cw8c6SuJB4
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Tosin-M...tInterests

Denzel Watts
PG/SG
5-11 180lbs
Flint, MI
Offers: Uab, Florida state, Kent state, Central Michighan, Detroit
Proof: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basket...nzel-watts

Dayshawn Watkins
PG
6'0 170lb
Offers: Uab, Ole Miss, Dayton, La tech, East Michigan, Missouri state,
Proof: http://future150.com/hs/basketball-profi...ns-pg-2013
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...ins-131275

Tyler Madison
SF
6'4 200lbs
Columbiana, Al
Offers: Uab, Utep, Tulane, Air force, Wright state, Samford, Tennessee tech
Proof: http://future150.com/hs/basketball-profi...on-sf-2013

CJ Washington
PF
6'8 225lbs
Augusta, Ga.(Tallahassee community college)
Schools of interest: Uab, Auburn, Colorado State, Rhoe Isla,d, Virginia Tech and Clemson
Proof: http://ww.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/1...mmits.html

Why do some of these signees not have better offers? Because they signed in November, which is the early sign period if I'm correct. More offers would have rolled in had they not signed early.

Recent news is Isaiah Jones and Quincy Taylor are transferring. So this opens up 2 scholarships.

Unknown if he has sign yet is newest commitment:

Thaddeus Rideau
SG
6-4 180lbs
Brown Mackie College
Story: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...guard.html

2013 recruits uab is still chasing:
Lennard Freeman
PF
6'8 225lbs
Oak Hill Academy
Top 5 schools: Uab, Pitt, Villanova, NC State, Depaul
Proof: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...lists.html

Chad Frazier
http://rivals.yahoo.com/marshall/basketb...2543/print

Can you please go to the aac board ? We are tired of your stupidity.

Can you please go to the aac board ? We are tired of your stupidity.

No. We are stuck with you for a year.




Here is a composite of all of the top recruiting sites and it has our class ranked 3rd best in CUSA.

Certainly a lot more positional size coming in than UAB. I've seen Stith listed as tall as 6-8 and he has a 7-1" wing span and is the 2 time Virginia Player of the Year. Robinson is the #13 ranked JUCO in the nation on the composite rankings and was MVP of a 34-2 team. Alexander hit 79 three's this year and was called the best shooter in VA, and White was MVP of the 5 star camp at Hampton with a couple hundred D1 prospects.

We had 3 freshman this year that were all in the rotation including a 6-4 PG and 2 big men. Potientially huge line up in a couple years with the youth we got.

Pretty funny considering UAB fans mocked Lebo and told us to get ready for Auburn 5 guard lineups of 6' players. Seems to be having no trouble getting size here.

How many UAB fans mocked Lebo, seriously? I wasn't around then, but I just can't imagine it was the entire UAB fan base on here doing it.

As far as your composite rankings, which site is it from?(I can't see the image at work) If it is the same site that doesn't list our entire recruiting class, than it doesn't mean a damn thing to me because they didn't do their due diligence.

It was probably somewhat deserved. Lebo did have some very small lineups at Auburn, he's had no trouble getting quality size here though. Our young players likely don't have to play much next year with 4 key seniors but this is what we both have lined up for a couple years from now in our underclassmen.

ECU
C Gulmiette, So 6-10, 240
PF Zangari, So 6-9, 235
SF Stith, Fr 6-7, 200
SG White, Fr 6-6, 190
PG Williams, So 6-4, 195

G Alexander, Fr 6-4, 180
C Kolo So 6-10, 250 (conflicting reports of transfer)

Or

UAB
C Mehinti Fr 6-9, 225
PF N/A
SF Madison Fr 6-4, 200
SG Watts Fr 5-11, 180
PG Watkins Fr 5-10, 170

You guys don't even have a sophmore class, even Lebo got Sampson in his first spring. We have similar ranked players and superior size and depth for the future at every position on the court. Charlotte has knocked us for taking transfers but we also back filled with tons of talented young high school players as you can see in the program and great class balance. Ironic they are the ones that will be scrambling to get transfers now and that UAB has the tiny team considering past criticisms.

We don't have a Sophomore class because Davis didn't recruit one. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. Go look it up if you don't believe me. We also have a large class that will be seniors next year.(5 with QT leaving the program) Haase is currently having to fill some holes with JC players to try and balance our scholarships out. Next year, we will have the 4 freshmen you listed on the roster as the start of what I consider the Haase years. With 5 more scholarships next year, I'm guessing Haase will try to recruit a similar class, with 4 freshmen and 1-2 Juco guys. Rebuilding doesn't happen overnight.

Another thing to note is we don't know how many players you list above will be on either teams' roster in 2 seasons. The thing is, ECU has had a coach in place recruiting players for his system for several years now. Haase has basically had one full season at this point in time. I'm willing to bet he gets plenty of help in the next recruiting class to make up for the perceived flaws UAB has right now.

(04-29-2013 11:55 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  We don't have a Sophomore class because Davis didn't recruit one. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

No it isn't. Davis had at least one 3 star guy signed/commited that de-commited when you fired him. You can't blame Davis for getting nothing in that class when you fired him and lost a solid prospect. It was Haase's job to keep him on board or go get some replacements that spring. He did neither. Lebo got a nice high school big man his first spring in Robert Sampson as well as a PG who's still on the team.

Quote:We also have a large class that will be seniors next year.(5 with QT leaving the program)

We got 5 leaving next year. That's not an excuse to blank on a class.

Quote:Haase is currently having to fill some holes with JC players to try and balance our scholarships out. Next year, we will have the 4 freshmen you listed on the roster as the start of what I consider the Haase years. With 5 more scholarships next year, I'm guessing Haase will try to recruit a similar class, with 4 freshmen and 1-2 Juco guys. Rebuilding doesn't happen overnight.

We rebuilt with 7 transfers for immediate help under Lebo, and maintained great class balance and simultaniously backfilled with high school talent.

Quote:Another thing to note is we don't know how many players you list above will be on either teams' roster in 2 seasons.

We have only had 2 players leave for any reason in 3 seasons under Lebo and they were scubs recruited by the last coach that went to D2 and still ride pine. Players like playing here now it seems so chances are the good ones stay with a lot of playing time opening up in 2 years.

Go look up the last recruits Davis had. The guy you are talking about was a Juco player. That wasn't going to give us a sophomore class.(not to mention K.C. Whitaker sat out this year, making him a sophomore next year) I know you know it all, but I follow UAB much more closely than you ever will. Stop telling us what Davis did when you don't have a clue. Davis had one guy lined up to play for UAB, and likely would have gotten the two guys that came in this year as well. It's not easy to get a high school guy in the spring signing period and you know it. Saying Lebo did it doesn't mean it's a simple thing to do.

Again, UAB has a sophomore next year already on the roster.(and he's a 6'6" SG) Nobody knows who will take QT's spot yet. Good try.

Again, ECU went 15-15, 11-16, and 14-12 vs D-1 opponents in the past 3 regular seasons. Let's now overstate what Lebo has actually done to this point. I'm sure Haase is looking at transfers that may be available, but that strategy didn't always work out for the best under Davis. We will know what Haase is by his third season, when he gets a roster full of his guys. It's never easy to come in for a fired coach and have immediate success.

Just because you've only had 2 players leave under Lebo doesn't mean that will be the case from here on out.

(04-29-2013 12:46 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Saying Lebo did it doesn't mean it's a simple thing to do.

It means it's possible which is why the excuse and blame games don't really fly. Sampson had offers to some good schools including Seton Hall and St Mary's too. Lebo also went to Europe and got a freshman PG who won a gold medal that summer for Serbia.

Quote:Again, ECU went 15-15, 11-16, and 14-12 vs D-1 opponents in the past 3 regular seasons. Let's now overstate what Lebo has actually done to this point.

I know you guys like to try to ignore the other 5-0 and those wins this year, but they happened. The better exercise is why don't you post the records the previous 3 season before he took over or something like the RPI's to put some actual meaning to those numbers. We had RPI's of 96, 164, and finished with an RPI of 67 at the end of this year. I don't think it's overstating improvment when went from ranked from 230-270 the prevous 3 seasons and almost doubled our win total. Not many coaches have had that much improvement or rebuilt that quick.

Quote:Just because you've only had 2 players leave under Lebo doesn't mean that will be the case from here on out.

It's a pretty good track record. I don't know why they'd leave next year with 5 seniors graduating and PT opening up. Our program is in great shape for years out.

You are a bigger idiot than I thought if you really think it's fair for a new coach to come in and have to try and recruit in the spring signing period. I understand that there are guys out there, and transfers and Jucos, but for the most part, the best players are signed at this point. The old joke we had was if anybody knew of any 6'10" guys who were solid players and available in the spring to please let Davis know. I didn't say it was impossible, I just said it was much more difficult.(as Haase proved by signing his entire class in the early signing period this time around)

I'm not ignoring the 5-0 postseason run, I'm discussing regular season records. You went from 96 to 164. That is not the steady climb that you are trying to sell us. You act like Lebo has done this and that and everything has been great. He had one .500 season, and one **** season to go along with the best season you have ever seen by any team in the history of NCAA basketball. If only they let you play Louisville, ECU would have won by 40.

It's a good track record, but it doesn't mean a damn things. Guys can fail classes.(unless you have taken the UNC approach) Guys can get arrested. Guys can use drugs. Guys can break team rules. Guys can simply not work out. Your program appears to be in good shape for the future right now. Good luck with that all panning out.

(04-29-2013 01:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I understand that there are guys out there, and transfers and Jucos, but for the most part, the best players are signed at this point.

Lebo got a high quality freshman his first spring. He actually landed Miguel Paul along with Robert Sampson that 1st spring. Pretty good haul. If we could do it as bad as your fans say we are, what's Haase's excuse at a power like UAB.

Quote:I'm not ignoring the 5-0 postseason run, I'm discussing regular season records. You went from 96 to 164. That is not the steady climb that you are trying to sell us.

164 is still a lot better than the 230+ we had been the previous 5 years. Significant progress was still being made.

Again, nobody is arguing ECU is a terrible team today. We are arguing that ECU is a terrible team historically. Yes, that means nothing when it comes to next season, or the next, but you have nothing to show recruits when they come outside of shiny new things. There is nothing of note in your rafters. The program is historically mediocre. The program historically plays garbage OOC. I don't know what is so difficult to get about that. Program prestige helps when recruiting players.

Haase's excuse is there weren't a lot of guys readily available. Lebo could recruit guys he was looking at for Auburn and say why don't you come with me to ECU instead. Haase isn't likely to get many guys who were being considered at UNC to come to UAB. It's apples and oranges. Haase probably didn't have the long term relationships he needed with the guys who could have come to UAB.

Yes, 164 is better than 230, but it isn't an upward trend when you go from 96 to 164 to approximately 100. If Lebo gets the team to be a top 50 team next season, then you can say the program is trending upward. If they fall back to a 140 team, then what do you say? It's better than it was, but it still isn't anything special.

http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-baskb...13aaa.html

It can't be! Lebo doesn't lose players! I'm sure this is not a big deal though.

These players shall burn for this. All praise Lebo!

Kolo is not a big deal, he's probably going to D2. Sampson is a very big deal and a very strange transfer at that. It will be interesting to see where he goes because he's a rising senior so unless he's graduated and someone higher up the food chain has got in his ear about transfering and playing immediately I really don't get it. That's what it smells like.

This is the first loss of a rotation player our program has had in 3 years which is still very good, especially compared to the rolving door at places like UNCC. It's a big loss, but we still got Armstrong, Guilmette and Zangari who all played this year in the post and Stith and Straughn who can play some PF.

(04-29-2013 10:04 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  It was probably somewhat deserved. Lebo did have some very small lineups at Auburn, he's had no trouble getting quality size here though. Our young players likely don't have to play much next year with 4 key seniors but this is what we both have lined up for a couple years from now in our underclassmen.

ECU
C Gulmiette, So 6-10, 240
PF Zangari, So 6-9, 235
SF Stith, Fr 6-7, 200
SG White, Fr 6-6, 190
PG Williams, So 6-4, 195

G Alexander, Fr 6-4, 180
C Kolo So 6-10, 250 (conflicting reports of transfer)

Or

UAB
C Mehinti Fr 6-9, 225
PF N/A
SF Madison Fr 6-4, 200
SG Watts Fr 5-11, 180
PG Watkins Fr 5-10, 170

You guys don't even have a sophmore class, even Lebo got Sampson in his first spring. We have similar ranked players and superior size and depth for the future at every position on the court. Charlotte has knocked us for taking transfers but we also back filled with tons of talented young high school players as you can see in the program and great class balance. Ironic they are the ones that will be scrambling to get transfers now and that UAB has the tiny team considering past criticisms.

C Mehinti Fr 6-9, 225 FR
PF N/A
SF Madison Fr 6-4, 200 FR
SG K.C. Whitaker 6'6 185 SO
PG Watkins Fr 6'0, 170

G Watts Fr 6'2, 180

Your underclassmen's avg. height: 6'5
Our underclassmen's avg. height: 6'4

= Not as big of a deal as you're making it

Heights were taken from the following article posted today: http://www.uabsports.com/sports/m-baskbl...13aaa.html