(04-22-2013 12:11 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 12:07 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

Quote:David Glenn Show ‏@DavidGlennShow 7m
BREAKING: Multiple DG sources says ACC will announce unanimous 15 school agreement extending Grant of Media Rights

Here's the source tweet

Huge if true. There goes any raid of the ACC by the B1G, SEC, or XII.

David Glenn (of the ACC Sport Journal) is as credible an ACC source as you'll come across. He was the first to break the Louisville story, as well.

ND signing this GOR = Stability.

Of course, stever will come along and tell me this doesn't mean a thing

That great for all conference because now the pecking order should stop for awhile. I did read somewhere Cusa may expand but how many times can you cut the pie. If you think the AAC contract was not that good one can only guess how the other mid-major conference will be reduced, too. (Opinion)

(04-22-2013 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Based on history hard to believe anything coming out of the ACC regarding money.

Wait, what? Last year the Big 12 guys were releasing all kinds of bogus numbers. It included exit fees from all the defections and they were passing them off as television numbers. They were also quoting the infamous Tier 3 numbers that didn't make any sense either. When has the ACC ever released wrong numbers?

(04-22-2013 06:05 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:41 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The Go5 conferences might still do some realignment, especially if they see the power conferences stabilizing with less chance of losing more teams. They might pull the trigger on something that they've been waiting on until everything else settled down.

Probably not much. With the new Go5 agreement on BCS revenue-sharing, there's no motivation for any of the Go5 conferences to expand beyond 12. The MWC, AAC, MAC and CUSA are all at or above that number already.

There's at least one move left, with the Sun Belt needing a WKU replacement to get to 12. Maybe two, if the MAC wants to even out its membership at 14. But after that, in the absence of further predation by the power conferences, the current round of realignment will probably be done for the Go5. The FCS will also stabilize with the absence of further move-up opportunities.

The AAC is at 12 for football, but with Navy a football-only, they could add someone like VCU for all other sports and remain at 12.

(04-22-2013 09:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:25 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  He should have called dibs on more schools.

I only ever called dibs on one and I got that one right. Nice try at making another smart ass comment. Ended up being a dumb ass comment. Go figure.

Wait...then again, these comments are coming from guys that are happy about their schools getting another million from an ACC Network.

"Member schools will reportedly begin receiving compensation north of $20 million annually, beginning July 1."


Thats a quote from the FSU AD. There really have not been any details regarding the Acc network. North of $20 million could mean $25 million or $20,100,000. No one knows until more details have been released. But those figures are only for the media revenue and does not include other revenue, such as Ncaa credits and bowl revenue, etc.. Its really too early for anyone to be bragging or ridiculing this deal until the details come out, or one could find themselves eating some bitter crow.
I will say that Acc teams seem to be off the table for other conferences to expand with though.

That isn't a quote from the FSU AD in the previous article. That is just the writer's comments.

You are correct. My mistake. Following is what the FSU president said when questioned about the new tv deal:


Barron said he couldn't speak to the amount of revenue FSU and other programs would be receiving, but he said it was "a significant increase."


I have no idea of what in his mind is a significant increase, but one would have to believe it would be at least 20% on a conservative level, likely higher.

Someone spent a lot of time on bluegoldnews making a fool of themselves and now they are upset their dream isn't unfolding as planned.

In the emoticons of the legendary Panite:




BTW, what happened to Sponge Bob??? That was my trademark

(04-22-2013 04:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am interested if only because as much football is the kind, basketball is more profitable for a conference network. I'm not sure if the SEC even plays basketball anymore. The Big Ten is successful because they have strong draws in both sports. Basketball pays the bills, football gives you the profit icing on the cake. But without the daily drive of basketball, it's hard to get the network off the ground, because the football games are pretty terrible (look at the syndicated SEC football games for proof).

College Baseball gets good ratings in the Southeast. SEC baseball will help a lot

Here is what I see.

1. The ACC's base TV revenue is now equal to the Big 12 and PAC 12 who just renegotiated their deals. It is also equal to the SEC's payout, but they are going to renegotiate in the near future and they are gonna get paid. Comparisons to the B1G are apples to oranges since theirs includes the B1G network revenue.

2. ESPN would gladly pay a little extra to ensure the ACC remains viable for the term of the contract. Business who can ensure product consistency and fix their costs are them most successful. They did both with this.

3. There is no guarantee that ESPN will have any part of the B1G the next go around. They are partnered with Fox on the B1G Network and Fox is actively looking for inventory for their sports channel. This plus the already antagonistic relationship with Delaney, would give them concerns about what portion, if any of the B1G's media rights they will have after this contract.

4. This is a good sign that the ACC schools want to remain together and build a viable conference well into the future. They are safe from poaching from the B1G and SEC, two conferences that will make more money than the other 3 big 5 conferences. As long as we are not miles behind the top dogs and stay on par with the B12 & PAC12 we will be fine. The SEC and the B1G are going to be top dogs in payouts no matter how you slice it.

5. I would like to see the ACC, SEC, and B1G propose a rule that would allow teams with 15 schools to have a semifinal game with 3 division champions and the other highest ranked team. That would probably get UConn, Cinci, and one other a seat at the big kids table. It might inspire the PAC to look at some MWC teams to get there too.

(04-22-2013 07:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I suspect several things have been at work here:

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4. Some sort of compromise was reached in which the SEC might have access to ACC markets without having to take teams and the ACC might have access to SEC markets without having to take teams. And that somehow their networks are going to be related either directly or packaged.

6. Both the ACC and SEC are about to earn more than many believed possible.

Sounds to me like the ESPN has either reassembled the concept of the former Southern Conference with this cooperation by the sibling conferences.

(04-22-2013 09:22 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Based on history hard to believe anything coming out of the ACC regarding money.

Wait, what? Last year the Big 12 guys were releasing all kinds of bogus numbers. It included exit fees from all the defections and they were passing them off as television numbers. They were also quoting the infamous Tier 3 numbers that didn't make any sense either. When has the ACC ever released wrong numbers?

If you are talking about the insiders, that's possible, but I don't remember anything but the $19-$20 million. I'm talking about the MSM quoting conference sources. It was always $19-$20 million for TV. They've never quoted anything about Tier 3 except the real numbers for Texas and OU. Texas gets an average of $15 million in TV Tier 3. OU is getting an additional $7 million on theirs. ACC "sources" or Jack Swarbick were quoted in February and March with things that weren't true or were misleading. They talked about everyone having the same distributions when we knew B1G was distributing $24-$25 million, SEC and Big 12 $20 million and ACC $14-$17 million.

(04-22-2013 07:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:43 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:42 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  WAIT! The $20+ million doesn't incldue a network. That is from ND and a GoR, and nothing else?

Yes. The ACC network deal isn't completed yet.

Isnt completed? Come on, you guys want me to be honest and forthcoming so how about do the same?

The ACC Network Deal is not only completed but it isnt even drawn up yet. It is JUST talk.

If it is more than that then it is one of the best kept secrets ever.

Like:

Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC?

ND to the ACC?

Louisville to the ACC?

The ACC teams signing a GOR?


The ACC seems pretty good to me at keeping secrets.

(04-22-2013 07:58 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 07:54 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  When would you consider an ACC network to be more than talk? The SEC network has been talked about plenty for at least year but wasn't officially announced until this month. If you need a similar announcement that could happen anytime between now and next summer (2014).

Yes, when there is some actual meat on the bone then I will do a just for you WakeForestRanger because as usual your display of rationality and self control impresses me.

This IS a big day for the ACC and fans such as yourself, no doubt, but there is still a lot that needs to be shown for this to truly be known as to what is all entailed in this.

All we know is GoR and 20 mil a team due to it.

As an ND fan, this is all that I need to know.

The Big Ten is shut out of ACC land. ND has a secure conference (where it wanted to be) for its other sports.

ND will make big bucks from the NBC renewal and a multitude of other sources.

The Big Ten dream of 20 schools with intra-conference playoffs is shot.

All in all, a good week or so.

(04-22-2013 08:50 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 08:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:17 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 02:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 01:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  While true, this does work pretty differently. A grant of rights does not technically do anything to stop someone from changing conferences. They have given up rights to broadcast home games though so legally, if a school leaves conference A for conference B, conference A still has all the home rights. The only way for a school to get them back is to buy them back or wait for the GoR to expire (which they all do eventually).

Well if someone leaves, the ACC still owns the rights to their home games but they have sold those rights (with the possible except of Tier III) to ESPN.

It protects the ACC in that if a school leaves, ESPN has less basis for lowering the rights fee since ESPN will still hold the rights to 6 to 8 games per year for the school depending on their scheduling practices. The only loss is the four conference road games.

In reality if say UVA went to the Big 10, chances are that UVA's home schedule will be just as valuable, if not more valuable to ESPN than if they remained in the ACC. ESPN comes out ahead because none of the extra value has to be paid to the ACC.

This is an important point. GOR protects ESPN moreso than anyone else as they have their contracts with all 5 of the Big conferences, especially the ACC and SEC as those conferences have sold the rights covered under the GOR to ESPN. Any ACC or SEC school that leaves still has their rights owned by ESPN long term. Any Pac 12 or Big 10 school that leaves still has their rights owned by the Pac 12 Network and Big 10 Network. Any Big 12 School that leaves will have their rights owned by Fox/ESPN.

The GOR gives ESPN an incentive to keep teams from leaving the ACC and SEC due to their long term deals. In 2016 The Big 10 will likely do what the Pac 12 did and take all their content in house and sell packages of games to the networks. So an ACC school leaving the ACC to the Big 10 would drive the price up for ESPN next contract negotiation. This GOR may not be 100% fullproof, but it does a great job at protecting the conference by aligining it with ESPN. It is much better to have ESPN on your side in college sports

Important point...ESPN could actually facilitate a team to move from the ACC to the SEC. Hopefully the ACC covered that in the contract.

How? GOR's belong to the conference. How would the losing conference be compensated?

Simple assignment of rights.
Currently all members of a conference assign their TV rights to the conference for as long as they are members. The GoR merely sets a date certain that those rights extend to.

The conference then sells all or part of those rights. Those rights that ACC holds? They belong entirely or mostly to ESPN (depends on the Tier III stuff).

Once the GoR is signed ESPN is the full or partial licensed holder of those rights until the expiration of the contract.

The ACC has signed away those rights and has no real influence over them other than telling ESPN what games they have and working out dates and times. ACC in return gets a revenue stream for those rights.

If GT and UVA leave, ESPN still owns their rights under license to the expiration of the GoR and ACC will get paid the same as if those schools remain in the league.

The GoR's only protection to the ACC if GT and UVA or UVA and UNC moved to the Big 10 is that the ACC still gets paid as set under the contract. ESPN is the licensed rights holder.