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RE: Tommy Tuberville- Q&A with Fox Sports Ohio
(04-09-2013 09:30 AM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 08:20 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
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(04-09-2013 07:27 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Let's hope Tuberville and crew can coach as well as they talk. For all of the crap Butch Jones gets on this board for his corny sayings the man won 10 games two seasons in a row, two Big East championships, and two bowl games. Can't argue with the results.

Also had a 4 win season coming off of a 12 win season. Butch was fine, but UC was better than most of the rest of the conference the last couple years. I saw nothing from Jones that made me think he cannot be replaced by a competent coach. This was not like losing BK who I would put in the top 5 coaches nationally.

Totally understandable but I'm just referring to those people who are conveniently forgetting what Butch did here both on and off the field and are donning Tommy Tuberville as the next Woody Hayes before he's even won a game at Cincinnati.

You make a valid point. No one can argue with Butch's results while he was here. That being said, there is a certain business like approach that I appreciate much more out of TT and staff that I felt was lacking when Butch was here. Not to say he didn't have such an approach, but it was often lost in the corny sayings and faux enthusiasm. Neither approach is the wrong approach, but I think a lot of fans enjoy TT's style over Butch's. Of course, as many have pointed out, style points mean nothing. The only thing that matters are the results on the field.

Yea I definitely agree with this, start to finish.
 
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RE: Tommy Tuberville- Q&A with Fox Sports Ohio
(04-09-2013 09:43 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 08:20 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 08:14 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 07:27 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Let's hope Tuberville and crew can coach as well as they talk. For all of the crap Butch Jones gets on this board for his corny sayings the man won 10 games two seasons in a row, two Big East championships, and two bowl games. Can't argue with the results.

Also had a 4 win season coming off of a 12 win season. Butch was fine, but UC was better than most of the rest of the conference the last couple years. I saw nothing from Jones that made me think he cannot be replaced by a competent coach. This was not like losing BK who I would put in the top 5 coaches nationally.

Totally understandable but I'm just referring to those people who are conveniently forgetting what Butch did here both on and off the field and are donning Tommy Tuberville as the next Woody Hayes before he's even won a game at Cincinnati.

Are people making Tuberville out to be that though?

Obviously Tuberville has won more and at a higher level than any coach we have hired previously - but this is not Auburn.

I think Tuberville looks like a good hire but he has a tough job ahead of him which will be made 10X tougher if there is no new conference announcement in the next 12-18 months.

Just my impression from reading through some posts that everytime he speaks some people gush over him, which is okay and I, too, love hearing him speak in plain English rather than rhymes and riddles like Jones but I'm reserving praising his name until he wins a few games at UC.
 
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(04-09-2013 09:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Butch walked into a program that was 33-7 over the prior 3 years and he was 23-14 in his 3 seasons as coach. I think at times we can oversell what he accomplished. I think he did a good job his last two years, but I don't think he demonstrated he was anything special. I guess time will tell at Tennessee where he'll have to build a program instead of follow Kelly into a program that was at a high level.

I agree that Butch hasn't really demonstrated all the acclaim he has heaped upon him. Rightly, or wrongly he has been deemed a glowing success by association. That association being BK, of course...as you noted.

Being that i live in Atlanta I follow the SEC pretty closely and (no hate) i do not see him being a bold enough decision maker or dynamic game planner to win on a high level in the league. He has bitten off more than I believe he can chew. Conversely, I could definitely envision BK having success at Tenn had he been awarded the job. Jus my $.02





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Whoops! Looks like I caused a bit of a stir. Allow me to explain myself.

Reading through some threads I just see that everytime an interview with Tuberville is posted a ton of people are singing his praises because he speaks plain English unlike Butch Jones. And because of that he's more welcomed here than Butch. But the fact of the matter is that neither he nor Gran nor Kaufman have won a single game at Cincinnati. They haven't proven themselves like Jones and his staff did; winning Big East championships and double-digit win seasons. Not to mention the off-field work they've done with the weight lifting/conditioning programs, nutritional regiment for the team, as well as fund raising.

IMO, it doesn't matter how many times Jones blurted out "hold the rope" or "represent the C" because the dude flat out won football games, which is all that matters. Sure Butch had his flaws but every coach does and what's he's done here shouldn't be forgotten. In fact it should be lauded.

I guess I'm just bracing myself for when Tuberville loses his first game and the barking and criticism starts raining down on him from some who had built up in their minds through the offseason that because he said and did the right things he was going to lead UC to unprecedented heights. But I guess I should realize that kind of thing is going to happen anyways and that's the beauty of message boards.

Can Tuberville win big here? Absolutely. Is he a good coach? I think his long resume points to the affirmative. But the fact is he hasn't proven himself like Butch Jones had and until he does all of his smooth-talkin' is just empty words right now. Although it is certainly 100% refreshing to not hear the head coach speak in riddles.

So I apologize. Carry on with your regularly scheduled thread. :)
 
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Kelly was a great coach who saved this program. Butch was a clown who did a decent job his last two years after a disaster in year one, couldn't figure out the oline in year one or who the qb should be after Zach went down in year two which complicated matters in year three. Mark was a Big Ten Lifer who didn't understand Cincinnati football, at halftime during a basketball game he ripped off a Tressel line when he compared Ohio State beating Michigan to Cincinnati beating Miami Ohio. (Yes, Miami was at their peak but Louisville should have been the real target).

Tommy T's resume lends itself to a nice run here in Cincinnati. We might not get back to 2009 in terms of rankings but I feel like this program will notch a few program making wins in the future.
 
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The only thing that bugged me a little about Tommy was that in interviews I've seen of him after practices/scrimmages this spring he seems to have difficulty remembering the names and numbers of his players sometimes. I get the feeling there's been a lot of delegation to the assistants. I'm not saying I want micromanagement, but come on, after 4 months you should at least have a pretty strong grasp of who is on your roster.
 
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(04-09-2013 11:35 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  The only thing that bugged me a little about Tommy was that in interviews I've seen of him after practices/scrimmages this spring he seems to have difficulty remembering the names and numbers of his players sometimes. I get the feeling there's been a lot of delegation to the assistants. I'm not saying I want micromanagement, but come on, after 4 months you should at least have a pretty strong grasp of who is on your roster.

I've gotta agree with this. Maybe he'll have a handle on it by Fall.
 
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At the Spring Game/practice..Coach T just kind of milled around taking in everything. I commented to the guy I was with (and possibly Ragpicker, can't remember) that he sure seems to delegate a lot of responsibility to his assistants. Maybe that's just his approach...Just a CEO making sure all of his managers are doing what should be done, but not being as "hands on" as BK and, especially, Butch.
 
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I think alot of individuals are excited, since Tuberville is somewhat of a known commodity. He has the potential to be good here. It's also the first time UC Fball has hired a name coach away from a bigger named program. People are excited and generating positive buzz.

In the past, UC would have hired purported up and comer, who had more unknowns about them. These boards would have contained post after post of debating whether we would rise or lose all of our momentum.
 
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I was impressed with the new strength coach. He said that Lawson did a good job getting the players stronger, but he wanted to work more on explosive power and incorporate pylometrics into workouts in addition to raw strength. Stressed that the most important thing is to never get a player hurt in the weight room.
 
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I keep going back in my mind to the CMU fans that absolutely lit up our board when we hired BK away... They were angry as hell, loved BK. When we hired Jones away there were very few commentators... very little anger and most commented he was a solid coach.

TT is a known commodity at big programs. I have more confidence in him already than I did CBJ. As for BK I agree with Mark's assessment, he is a top 5 Coach... he won ~ 12 or 14 National Titles at D II, I dont care what level you're coaching at... it's an amazing accomplishment to win that many national titles.
 
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The interesting thing in commenting about BK and BJ at UC is that neither got a chance to coach their own players. Both won with players recrutied to UC by other coaches. I just hope TT is around long enough that we get to evaluate his ability to recruit and develop players in his system.
 
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(04-09-2013 01:03 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I keep going back in my mind to the CMU fans that absolutely lit up our board when we hired BK away... They were angry as hell, loved BK. When we hired Jones away there were very few commentators... very little anger and most commented he was a solid coach.

TT is a known commodity at big programs. I have more confidence in him already than I did CBJ. As for BK I agree with Mark's assessment, he is a top 5 Coach... he won ~ 12 or 14 National Titles at D II, I dont care what level you're coaching at... it's an amazing accomplishment to win that many national titles.

Kelly won two DII championships ('02 & '03). He was only at GVS for 13 years.
 
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(04-09-2013 01:29 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 01:03 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I keep going back in my mind to the CMU fans that absolutely lit up our board when we hired BK away... They were angry as hell, loved BK. When we hired Jones away there were very few commentators... very little anger and most commented he was a solid coach.

TT is a known commodity at big programs. I have more confidence in him already than I did CBJ. As for BK I agree with Mark's assessment, he is a top 5 Coach... he won ~ 12 or 14 National Titles at D II, I dont care what level you're coaching at... it's an amazing accomplishment to win that many national titles.

Kelly won two DII championships ('02 & '03). He was only at GVS for 13 years.

01-wingedeagle that guy probably has given BK credit for a D1 Nat'l Championship last season.
 
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(04-09-2013 01:36 PM)ruffles Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 01:29 PM)MickMack Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 01:03 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I keep going back in my mind to the CMU fans that absolutely lit up our board when we hired BK away... They were angry as hell, loved BK. When we hired Jones away there were very few commentators... very little anger and most commented he was a solid coach.

TT is a known commodity at big programs. I have more confidence in him already than I did CBJ. As for BK I agree with Mark's assessment, he is a top 5 Coach... he won ~ 12 or 14 National Titles at D II, I dont care what level you're coaching at... it's an amazing accomplishment to win that many national titles.

Kelly won two DII championships ('02 & '03). He was only at GVS for 13 years.

01-wingedeagle that guy probably has given BK credit for a D1 Nat'l Championship last season.

My bad, thanks for the correction... and no I did not give him credit for a D1 national championship
 
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There were only a few things that really annoyed me about Butch: his playcalling at times, his corny choice of words and phrases, and his stubbornness to stick with Munchie over Brendon when it clearly wasn't working for several games (I still honestly believe we only would have lost to Rutgers last year had Brendon been the starter from day one).

Overall, I'll admit that Butch was a solid coach. There were times last season my frustration got the better of me and I really wanted Butch gone (and I'm not too upset that he is), but the man led us to two 10-win seasons in a row and two shares of the Big East title. He no doubt deserves some props for that.

.... now with that said, BRING ON THE TUBERVILLE ERA!! 04-rock
 
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Stubbornness, hell.

File that gem under spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up quicker.
 
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