(04-08-2013 12:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: What argument? Obama is nothing like a communist. lol
Joseph Stalin killed 17 million people. Obama championed government health care and ended the war in Iraq. One has a mustache, the other doesn't.
I agree with you that there is a lot of name calling from both sides but it's very rare that you see a political party blame the people who's vote they are trying to gain.
I was talking about sides calling each other names. To start you didn't mention anything about winning an election, then when confronted with the fact that liberals tend to call people racist in certain circumstances you quantified it with winning an election.
What do you call people who make racist statements?
Politics is all about winning elections. Both sides call people names, it's just odd to see politicians call voters names, then ask for their vote.
Not including Joe Biden, who is famous for this, Democrats and Democrat voters do it very often.
Quit clinging to your guns and religion.
The 2 items the Progessive Statists Communists come after when they
get power.
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2013 02:29 PM by SuperFlyBCat.)
Whether Obama is a Marxist, a Communist, a Fascist, a Fabian Socialist or any other far left ideology kind of misses the point. They all inevitably lead to the same dismal place.
There are some that just will never see what is right in front of them. It is willfull ignorance and political blindness. That is what far left ideologies do to the thoroughly indoctrinated. Truth is the casualty.
In all of his fabricated history from his two ghostwritten books, Obama freely admits that he sought out the radicals and Marxists to hang out with. He was a member of the communist New Party in Chicago in the mid-90s. There is so much info available out there that informs us who he is and what he believes.
As for "ownership of the means of production" part of communism being the reason that some rule out his being a communist, it shows a lack of regard for reason. The far left knew that it could not just cause a revolution here, as it would not work. America has a middle class and would not willingly rise up. Therefore, a different way needed to be found and the middle class would need to be crushed.
The Fabian Socialists work by gradualism, or incrementalism. In this way, they can 'fundamentally change' things without the ordinary Joe sixpack realizing it. Things may look the same but are not the same. Instead of nationalizing industries, they regulate them to death. In order to survive, a business has to 'play ball' and follow the rules. Easier and less messy than taking them over, as the pure communists would do. But the end effect is the same - control.
Just like a pampered, highly recruited athlete who has been shielded against any repercussions from his own behavior, Obama has been protected by his slobbering media gatekeepers who will not allow stories to be told about anything that would paint him and his policies in a bad light.
There are some useful idiots that will act all surprised when they finally realize what has been done to this country by "their own party." They will get angry and flail about looking to blame anybody (Republicans) except those actually responsible for it.
Whether or not he is actually a communist or not doesn't matter. He IS from the far left and operates as far leftists operate. The Russians recognize much better than Americans what has happened.
(04-08-2013 02:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: When do they take your stuff and give it to the state?
Come on firm, you know foundations have to be laid in order for change to be made. This is an idea being put forward by very liberal leaning news organization advocating "collective" responsibility and ownership of children. If you can't recognize the connection then there's no use discussing it with you, you are too far gone or too indoctrinated.
Now I'm "too far gone or too indoctrinated". Please call me when it all starts going down. What stage of foundation laying are we in now?
(04-08-2013 02:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: When do they take your stuff and give it to the state?
Come on firm, you know foundations have to be laid in order for change to be made. This is an idea being put forward by very liberal leaning news organization advocating "collective" responsibility and ownership of children. If you can't recognize the connection then there's no use discussing it with you, you are too far gone or too indoctrinated.
Now I'm "too far gone or too indoctrinated". Please call me when it all starts going down. What stage of foundation laying are we in now?
The part where you realized the grade is off and bust out the jack hammers.
(04-08-2013 02:36 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: Whether Obama is a Marxist, a Communist, a Fascist, a Fabian Socialist or any other far left ideology kind of misses the point. They all inevitably lead to the same dismal place.
There are some that just will never see what is right in front of them. It is willfull ignorance and political blindness. That is what far left ideologies do to the thoroughly indoctrinated. Truth is the casualty.
In all of his fabricated history from his two ghostwritten books, Obama freely admits that he sought out the radicals and Marxists to hang out with. He was a member of the communist New Party in Chicago in the mid-90s. There is so much info available out there that informs us who he is and what he believes.
As for "ownership of the means of production" part of communism being the reason that some rule out his being a communist, it shows a lack of regard for reason. The far left knew that it could not just cause a revolution here, as it would not work. America has a middle class and would not willingly rise up. Therefore, a different way needed to be found and the middle class would need to be crushed.
The Fabian Socialists work by gradualism, or incrementalism. In this way, they can 'fundamentally change' things without the ordinary Joe sixpack realizing it. Things may look the same but are not the same. Instead of nationalizing industries, they regulate them to death. In order to survive, a business has to 'play ball' and follow the rules. Easier and less messy than taking them over, as the pure communists would do. But the end effect is the same - control.
Just like a pampered, highly recruited athlete who has been shielded against any repercussions from his own behavior, Obama has been protected by his slobbering media gatekeepers who will not allow stories to be told about anything that would paint him and his policies in a bad light.
There are some useful idiots that will act all surprised when they finally realize what has been done to this country by "their own party." They will get angry and flail about looking to blame anybody (Republicans) except those actually responsible for it.
Whether or not he is actually a communist or not doesn't matter. He IS from the far left and operates as far leftists operate. The Russians recognize much better than Americans what has happened.
(04-08-2013 02:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: When do they take your stuff and give it to the state?
Come on firm, you know foundations have to be laid in order for change to be made. This is an idea being put forward by very liberal leaning news organization advocating "collective" responsibility and ownership of children. If you can't recognize the connection then there's no use discussing it with you, you are too far gone or too indoctrinated.
Now I'm "too far gone or too indoctrinated". Please call me when it all starts going down. What stage of foundation laying are we in now?
From the Principles of Communism, Frederick Engles, 1847
Quote: What will be the influence of communist society on the family?
It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.
Communal education, removing children as the "property" of parents for the collective good. It certainly seems that Melissa Harris-Perry is advocating such action as it aligns with communist theory.
The thing that liberals fail to understand is in order for any conversion to a socialist or communist society in America, the change would have to be slow, painstakingly slow. That slow pace blinds some of them to the reality of the true nature of the change taking place in front of them. Don't look 5 years down the road, look 50. Do you like the direction this country is headed?
(04-07-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Right-wingers are now citing Pravda against their own president. It's sad how far the right has fallen. There's nothing but conspiracy theories and hysterics coming from the right these days. It also shows they are willing to line up with Russian, Chinese, or anyone else against our American President.
It's not a conspiracy theory if it's true.
Meantime, old Obama campaign posters tell us you are wrong.
(04-08-2013 02:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: When do they take your stuff and give it to the state?
Come on firm, you know foundations have to be laid in order for change to be made. This is an idea being put forward by very liberal leaning news organization advocating "collective" responsibility and ownership of children. If you can't recognize the connection then there's no use discussing it with you, you are too far gone or too indoctrinated.
Now I'm "too far gone or too indoctrinated". Please call me when it all starts going down. What stage of foundation laying are we in now?
From the Principles of Communism, Frederick Engles, 1847
Quote: What will be the influence of communist society on the family?
It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.
Communal education, removing children as the "property" of parents for the collective good. It certainly seems that Melissa Harris-Perry is advocating such action as it aligns with communist theory.
The thing that liberals fail to understand is in order for any conversion to a socialist or communist society in America, the change would have to be slow, painstakingly slow. That slow pace blinds some of them to the reality of the true nature of the change taking place in front of them. Don't look 5 years down the road, look 50. Do you like the direction this country is headed?
I'd rather look 50 years back and ask "Are these the results you really wanted?"
Detroit is disappearing into a giant sinkhole. All inner cities are plagued high financial obligations. Children born to unwed parents is 40%, 72% for blacks. Schools are graduating students w/ less knowledge, ability and education, as US falls in international comparisons. Immigration is bringing in millions who don't care about US heritage or rule of law, but taking benefits. Young people are burdened w/ student loan debt near or above six-figures, and without jobs, prospects or skills. 44.7 million people on food stamps. 4.6% of working age people on disability. 35.7% of adults considered obese. US tax code is about 5x longer. Teamsters pension plan going bust. Gas prices higher even though production has skyrocketed, all because of EtOH mandates...and food prices higher b/c of EtOH mandates.
Should I go on? Is this really what most Dems from 1963 were hoping for?
Obama’s budget plan, to be unveiled April 10, would prohibit taxpayers from accumulating more than $3 million in an individual retirement account. That proposal would generate $9 billion in revenue for the Treasury over the next decade, according to a White House statement released today.
“Under current rules, some wealthy individuals are able to accumulate many millions of dollars in these accounts, substantially more than is needed to fund reasonable levels of retirement saving,” the statement said.
"...substantially more than is needed to fund reasonable levels of retirement saving"
The article goes on to explain how this doesn't affect most people but that doesn't matter. The government is telling people how much of their own money they can save for retirement.
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2013 07:13 AM by 200yrs2late.)
(04-07-2013 09:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Right-wingers are now citing Pravda against their own president. It's sad how far the right has fallen. There's nothing but conspiracy theories and hysterics coming from the right these days. It also shows they are willing to line up with Russian, Chinese, or anyone else against our American President.
(04-07-2013 09:43 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote: How can you discuss this in a civilized manner when you're calling the President a communist, which he is not?
(04-08-2013 10:45 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote: Right, the low information electorate is to "blame" for Obama. That's why he won college educated adults by a wide margin. The "low information" voters are Republicans, friend.
(04-08-2013 02:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: When do they take your stuff and give it to the state?
Come on firm, you know foundations have to be laid in order for change to be made. This is an idea being put forward by very liberal leaning news organization advocating "collective" responsibility and ownership of children. If you can't recognize the connection then there's no use discussing it with you, you are too far gone or too indoctrinated.
Now I'm "too far gone or too indoctrinated". Please call me when it all starts going down. What stage of foundation laying are we in now?
From the Principles of Communism, Frederick Engles, 1847
Quote: What will be the influence of communist society on the family?
It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.
Communal education, removing children as the "property" of parents for the collective good. It certainly seems that Melissa Harris-Perry is advocating such action as it aligns with communist theory.
The thing that liberals fail to understand is in order for any conversion to a socialist or communist society in America, the change would have to be slow, painstakingly slow. That slow pace blinds some of them to the reality of the true nature of the change taking place in front of them. Don't look 5 years down the road, look 50. Do you like the direction this country is headed?
I'd rather look 50 years back and ask "Are these the results you really wanted?"
Detroit is disappearing into a giant sinkhole. All inner cities are plagued high financial obligations. Children born to unwed parents is 40%, 72% for blacks. Schools are graduating students w/ less knowledge, ability and education, as US falls in international comparisons. Immigration is bringing in millions who don't care about US heritage or rule of law, but taking benefits. Young people are burdened w/ student loan debt near or above six-figures, and without jobs, prospects or skills. 44.7 million people on food stamps. 4.6% of working age people on disability. 35.7% of adults considered obese. US tax code is about 5x longer. Teamsters pension plan going bust. Gas prices higher even though production has skyrocketed, all because of EtOH mandates...and food prices higher b/c of EtOH mandates.
Should I go on? Is this really what most Dems from 1963 were hoping for?
(04-09-2013 08:11 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: Civility Liberty, civility. I'd rather this be an actual discussion about actions and the direction of the country instead of mud-slinging.
Communism has won in America. Not so much that we're all Commies but as someone has said the framework has been laid. Entitlement spending is now seen as "investment", higher taxes are seen as raising "revenue" and a different opinion is viewed as being a hateful bigot or "hate speech".
Not to mention the legislation. The Patriot Act and NDAA offer unprecedented power to the feds.
The States have all but lost their individuality and rely heavily on government subsidies.
We've lost because the mind set has changed. When the people see the government as more powerful than the electorate all is lost. That's where we are now. When Russians are warning us it's time to stomp the brakes.
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