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Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

(04-04-2013 03:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

+1 That was really silly.

(04-04-2013 03:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

I read the article and made that suggestion about possible ways to reward those who study at such lofty levels. Having never been there, it "being an issue" is my conjecture for UAB to consider for its future offerings. Just because it has not been done doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

(04-04-2013 04:30 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

I read the article and made that suggestion about possible ways to reward those who study at such lofty levels. Having never been there, it "being an issue" is my conjecture for UAB to consider for its future offerings. Just because it has not been done doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

They get paid a salary.

(04-04-2013 04:47 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 04:30 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

I read the article and made that suggestion about possible ways to reward those who study at such lofty levels. Having never been there, it "being an issue" is my conjecture for UAB to consider for its future offerings. Just because it has not been done doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

They get paid a salary.

So money is EVERYTHING and degree recognition is ZERO? You may be right, but I think if UAB is going to have a substantial number of these "Post Doc" persons in residence, it may be a good idea to consider some additional degree recognition.

Every research institution has tons of Post-Docs. Almost anyone who gets a PhD will do a Post-Doc before getting a professorship appointment. Same with an MD doing a residency before becoming the attending physician.

(04-06-2013 12:52 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  Every research institution has tons of Post-Docs. Almost anyone who gets a PhD will do a Post-Doc before getting a professorship appointment. Same with an MD doing a residency before becoming the attending physician.

The old saying goes "Raise the bridge or lower the water". An institution can provide additional steps toward the Doctorate (if it is to remain the pinnacle) or it can originate some kind of "post Doc" degree program that awards a new degree (if no other school has thought of it before) perhaps with a new pay scale based upon it. I, for one, never had given much thought to "post Doc" training since I had no idea there were "tons of them at every research institution". I believe those involved would welcome some kind of degree recognition for their advanced standing. I therefore suggested it be examined to see if it would be advisable to do.

An extra degree means extra academic requirements.

As it is, postdocs get some money and continue to research without having to go to class or pay tuition. This allows them to get some good publications on their CV to try to get a faculty appointment.

I find it interesting that a thread about a very positive article is derailed by the ramblings of somebody that admits he doesn't know what he's talking about

(04-06-2013 12:05 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 04:47 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 04:30 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:59 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 03:51 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Perhaps we are in need of some named degree that shows attainment beyond the Dr degree besides "Post doctoral studies". There is precedent for it in the field of education where the Educational Specialist Degree (EDS) was created between an MA/MS in Education and the Doctorate in Education. A formal acknowledged "Super Doc" degree might make further work more meaningful.

Where did that come from? I don't think that is really an issue.

I read the article and made that suggestion about possible ways to reward those who study at such lofty levels. Having never been there, it "being an issue" is my conjecture for UAB to consider for its future offerings. Just because it has not been done doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

They get paid a salary.

So money is EVERYTHING and degree recognition is ZERO? You may be right, but I think if UAB is going to have a substantial number of these "Post Doc" persons in residence, it may be a good idea to consider some additional degree recognition.

Generally, yes, that's how it works. I got a degree, then I got a job and it happened to be at UAB (I'm not in a medical or research field). Just because my job after my degree was at a university doesn't mean they owe me any more degrees. They ask me to do a job, I ask them to pay me. It's how the world works.

(04-06-2013 07:37 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  I find it interesting that a thread about a very positive article is derailed by the ramblings of somebody that admits he doesn't know what he's talking about

BnBF, some institutions issue a certificate following a post-doc, if that makes you feel better. Maybe UAB does, but I wouldn't know because it's not where I did my post-doc.

Either way, post-doc fellowships still show up on your CV, and that's really the only place that matters.

(04-06-2013 07:37 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  I find it interesting that a thread about a very positive article is derailed by the ramblings of somebody that admits he doesn't know what he's talking about

Those are the best kind.