(04-03-2013 09:13 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Go tell a mother riding the city bus to get to her second minimum wage job, so that she can put food on the table for her kid, that she needs to get off her lazy butt.

She is actually working so she would get my support. She wouldn't be a leech. I worked 3 jobs (1 unpaid and 2 close to minimum wage in the late 90s). I never wanted or expected the government to pay for anything.

I think you know the mentality of those that are unwilling to get a job and live off the system.

(04-03-2013 09:15 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  You sound like a bitter, bitter man...

nah, I'm very happy.

I even love "The American" conference. I'm done with my rants. Back to the conference name hating

(04-03-2013 09:00 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 08:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 08:29 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 08:26 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  I'm not sure that would work these days. UCF will want free Obama phones!

....or more tax breaks for the rich

Not getting off subject but the almost half the population doesn't pay federal taxes. The top 20% nearly pay all the federal taxes. Understand that before you hear the words "Fair". Obama reaches out to the leeches of society with that talk.

They make nearly all the money in America too.

and they can get off their lazy butt and earn money. I worked 3 jobs in my senior year of UCF. It is almost unbelievable how lazy people are today. Let's learn from Greece and get back to Capitalism.

Did you see the state budget for Texas? How's liberal NY and Cali doing?
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AMEN!!

(04-03-2013 09:24 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:13 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Go tell a mother riding the city bus to get to her second minimum wage job, so that she can put food on the table for her kid, that she needs to get off her lazy butt.

She is actually working so she would get my support. She wouldn't be a leech. I worked 3 jobs (1 unpaid and 2 close to minimum wage in the late 90s). I never wanted or expected the government to pay for anything.

I think you know the mentality of those that are unwilling to get a job and live off the system.

Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

I'm not sure what's more worthless, the name or the political bickering. Take it to a different forum.

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Any citations for those claims, or are you just going off the word of your brother's friend's cousin who saw a woman on welfare driving an Escalade* while her kids played a video game**?

Funny how everyone assumes they or the people they like who receive assistance -- a category corporate tax breaks or historically low capital gains rates aren't considered to be, for some mysterious reason -- deserve it, while there's this teeming sea of undeserving people out there willing to make themselves look worse off than they are for a max of about $14,000 a year.

* from 2001, which would be worth ~$4,000 in mint condition
** which was a one-time purchase of $150 that provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment, which as we're all aware is a phenomenon people on welfare are Not Allowed To Experience Ever or else they don't deserve it.

I don't really want to have the discussion, by the way. I'm just so annoyed by the name that I can't not respond to stuff that gets repeated endlessly despite bearing zero resemblance to reality.

THANKS ARESCO

(04-03-2013 10:52 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  Any citations for those claims, or are you just going off the word of your brother's friend's cousin who saw a woman on welfare driving an Escalade* while her kids played a video game**?

Funny how everyone assumes they or the people they like who receive assistance -- a category corporate tax breaks or historically low capital gains rates aren't considered to be, for some mysterious reason -- deserve it, while there's this teeming sea of undeserving people out there willing to make themselves look worse off than they are for a max of about $14,000 a year.

* from 2001, which would be worth ~$4,000 in mint condition
** which was a one-time purchase of $150 that provides hundreds of hours of enjoyment, which as we're all aware is a phenomenon people on welfare are Not Allowed To Experience Ever or else they don't deserve it.

Seriously, don't be naive. I have a lot of experience and experiences, both personal and professional, dealing with such things and if you want to have a larger conversation, I would be we willing to do so in the spin room (never been there before). It is what it is. On a side note, I also disagree with corporate welfare too.

(04-03-2013 10:43 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Not possible to be on welfare through generations. Maximum lifetime eligibility for TANF is five years, if I remember correctly, but states can opt for a shorter maximum. It is 24 months in Texas, I believe.

Not sure what this conversation has to do with the American athletic conference but hell I'll join in. I am legally blind and work 40 hours a week I can't drive obviously yet I find a way to work. So give me a damn break with this crap about people that have to be on welfare. Yes there are some situations where it's needed to help people. Maybe a single mother working a job at minimum-wage with kids absolutely she needs help. But there are others that get welfare or disability that aren't truly disabled and just don't want to work.

(04-03-2013 11:11 PM)gweiher Wrote:  Not possible to be on welfare through generations. Maximum lifetime eligibility for TANF is five years, if I remember correctly, but states can opt for a shorter maximum. It is 24 months in Texas, I believe.

You are correct. However, there are "hardship" exemptions and those aren't very hard to get... especially after the administration has tinkered with them. There are also people at the offices (govt workers and otherwise) that can help you to "properly" fill out the paperwork to obtain the benefit. There are also legal clinics that will help you too (I've done my share of this work when I was in school).

(04-03-2013 10:43 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Not really. Lots of scapegoating going on here. The overwhelming majority are people who have jobs, work hard,but still don't make enough money to live.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400...ut-welfare

(04-03-2013 11:11 PM)gweiher Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 10:43 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Yes I agree that we should go after the less that 2% that commit welfare fraud.

Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Not possible to be on welfare through generations. Maximum lifetime eligibility for TANF is five years, if I remember correctly, but states can opt for a shorter maximum. It is 24 months in Texas, I believe.

NPR did a good report on their show "Planet Money" about the boom in "disability" recipients today. States are paying outside firms to get residents off welfare and onto "disablity" which is totally federal. The reporter was astounded to say the least at how easy it is to get on the program. There are entire streets in Greensboro, NC where literally no one works, everyone draws some kind of assistance for every need.

(04-04-2013 06:27 AM)jollyroger Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 11:11 PM)gweiher Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 10:43 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:39 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Getting that number from the government or MSNBC? You're telling me that 98% of the people on welfare/food stamps have no way of getting a job to support themselves? I call major BS on that.

I have no problem with short term safety nets or disability or anything that could prevent getting employment, but there are tons of people working the system. Welfare spending is up 70% since 2008. They advertise the program on the radio.

Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Not possible to be on welfare through generations. Maximum lifetime eligibility for TANF is five years, if I remember correctly, but states can opt for a shorter maximum. It is 24 months in Texas, I believe.

NPR did a good report on their show "Planet Money" about the boom in "disability" recipients today. States are paying outside firms to get residents off welfare and onto "disablity" which is totally federal. The reporter was astounded to say the least at how easy it is to get on the program. There are entire streets in Greensboro, NC where literally no one works, everyone draws some kind of assistance for every need.

Without reading all 31 pages of posts, HTF does a thread about the new conference name devolve into a debate about welfare?? C'mon, man!

(04-04-2013 07:16 AM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 06:27 AM)jollyroger Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 11:11 PM)gweiher Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 10:43 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-03-2013 09:59 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Incomes are also way down since 2008. Most people on welfare are on it short term. Most are working while on welfare but don't make enough to cover all the bills. This includes seniors and students. You are putting a lot of energy into a small number of people.

I try to avoid these conversations these days, but I can't stand it. There are two groups of people on welfare. The first are people temporarily on it because they are down on their luck and trying to get back on top. The second (and larger group) are people that have been on welfare through generations and game the system to get all types of payouts. Seriously though, there are a large number of people that commit straight up welfare fraud and an even greater number that game the system. It is what it is.

Not possible to be on welfare through generations. Maximum lifetime eligibility for TANF is five years, if I remember correctly, but states can opt for a shorter maximum. It is 24 months in Texas, I believe.

NPR did a good report on their show "Planet Money" about the boom in "disability" recipients today. States are paying outside firms to get residents off welfare and onto "disablity" which is totally federal. The reporter was astounded to say the least at how easy it is to get on the program. There are entire streets in Greensboro, NC where literally no one works, everyone draws some kind of assistance for every need.

Without reading all 31 pages of posts, HTF does a thread about the new conference name devolve into a debate about welfare?? C'mon, man!

Because we all agree that we hate this name.