Quote:"We had a whole plan to sell abortion, and it was called sex education" (Part 1) The title of this post is a quote from Carol Everett, a former owner of 4 abortion facilities, who was responsible for the deaths of 35,000 unborn babies and 1 mother, and the injuring of at least 19 mothers who required serious surgery following an abortion. Carol's descent into the abortion industry began after she aborted her third child in 1973, under pressure from her husband and doctor. After the abortion her life began to fall apart; she had an affair, started to drink and eventually left her husband. With a psychiatrist's help she got her life together enough to go to work for a medical supply company, which led her into the abortion industry. Working for an abortionist showed her how much money can be made in the abortion business, so she decided to open her own clinics. Carol was on target to open her fifth abortion facility, and earn $1 million a year selling abortions, as she puts it.
Below is a video interview with Carol. It is definitely worth watching the whole thing. Direct induced abortion is the intentional homicide of an innocent unborn child. On a list of bad things, it's at the top. At the same time, let's remember that abortion doesn't exist in a vacuum. The intentional killing of the child in the womb is the end result of a chain of causes such as anti-life sex education and the misuse of the gift of sex.
(04-02-2013 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: What's George Tiller been saying lately? Oh that's right...the 'pro-lifers' killed him.
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tiller... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
(04-02-2013 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: What's George Tiller been saying lately? Oh that's right...the 'pro-lifers' killed him.
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tiller... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
would it be a violation of the rules to post pics of post abortion baby's?
I mean if its not a baby then these people shouldn't care right? I want them to look at what they advocate for. Face it.
I'll do whatever the Mod's say but they can't defend their stance(if that is their stance) that its not a baby and just a dead blob of cells if they won't look at pics of dead "not baby's".
(04-02-2013 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: What's George Tiller been saying lately? Oh that's right...the 'pro-lifers' killed him.
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tiller... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
(04-02-2013 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: What's George Tiller been saying lately? Oh that's right...the 'pro-lifers' killed him.
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tiller... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
(04-02-2013 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: What's George Tiller been saying lately? Oh that's right...the 'pro-lifers' killed him.
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tiller... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
You're making even less sense than usual.
Denounce tillers killing that is... So..
Funny... In the pro life movement I've seen more people than I can count denounce Tillers Killing... But when it comes to doctors snipping the spinal cords of live born babies what do we see from you tom?
For the record here is what was preachd in the aftermath at my church (quote from the sermon)
" I believe in the wide range of non-violent efforts of the pro-life cause. And in the present atmosphere I do stress non-violent. This war will not be won by bullets. It will be won by brokenness and humility and sacrifice. It will be won when we identify with the children in our suffering rather than with the abortionist in his killing. And this too may be a call to a new kind of fasting."
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2013 01:29 PM by Bull_In_Exile.)
I've made my positions known several times for you, but I guess I'll have to state them once again.
I do not like abortions and would never counsel a loved one to have one. And I would never support or endorse the killing of any viable live-born baby.
But I don't have the authority to tell a women what she can do with her body and anything inside of it.
Apologies if I don't constantly go around stating my positions on these one in a million occurrences that your ilk continually want to blow way out of proportion.
(04-02-2013 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I've made my positions known several times for you, but I guess I'll have to state them once again.
I do not like abortions and would never counsel a loved one to have one. And I would never support or endorse the killing of any viable live-born baby.
But I don't have the authority to tell a women what she can do with her body and anything inside of it.
Apologies if I don't constantly go around stating my positions on these one in a million occurrences that your ilk continually want to blow way out of proportion.
Exactly tom... When you see a 30 Week old baby born alive with its neck severed you see nothing, hear nothing, and say nothing..
Coward...
More than 30,000 Abortions in the US per year are on babies past the date of viability. Thats about 3 per 100, not one per one million #mathfail
You're ok with laws telling people how to behave all the time. Laws saying people cant discriminate in hiring, or that they have to provide certain medical coverage to employees....
(04-02-2013 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I've made my positions known several times for you, but I guess I'll have to state them once again.
I do not like abortions and would never counsel a loved one to have one. And I would never support or endorse the killing of any viable live-born baby.
But I don't have the authority to tell a women what she can do with her body and anything inside of it.
Apologies if I don't constantly go around stating my positions on these one in a million occurrences that your ilk continually want to blow way out of proportion.
Exactly tom... When you see a 30 Week old baby born alive with its neck severed you see nothing, hear nothing, and say nothing..
Coward...
More than 30,000 Abortions in the US per year are on babies past the date of viability. Thats about 3 per 100, not one per one million #mathfail
You're ok with laws telling people how to behave all the time. Laws saying people cant discriminate in hiring, or that they have to provide certain medical coverage to employees....
But laws saying don't kill a baby.... gasp...
#readfail drama queen.
And sorry, but I'm likely missing something as I have that Jerry Falwell nutjob on ignore.
And you can go **** yourself if you think that I'm against laws that say don't kill a baby. That's about the most despicable thing anyone can say and I want an apology. Abortion is legal. If Dr's or anyone else are killing viable babies outside the law, I don't support that and they should be punished accordingly.
BTW - Your comparison to laws that are in place to protect people from wronging OTHER people is a stretch beyond the pale.
And I realize this is from wiki and somewhat old, but it doesn't quite back up your numbers. Especially since the rate of abortions has been going down.
Quote:United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted between 13 and 15 weeks, 4.2% between 16 and 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.[13] Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there are no precise data for the number of abortions performed after viability.[13] In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year
P.S.: One in a million was not to be taken literally as some factual representation...of course I should have known you 'agenda driven' folks would never see that.
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2013 02:40 PM by Redwingtom.)
(04-02-2013 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I've made my positions known several times for you, but I guess I'll have to state them once again.
I do not like abortions and would never counsel a loved one to have one. And I would never support or endorse the killing of any viable live-born baby.
But I don't have the authority to tell a women what she can do with her body and anything inside of it.
And I hold the exact same position. We all know that drinking, smoking, and doing drugs when a woman is pregnant is wrong but what authority do we have to stop them? Some would say we're turning a blind eye to a problem, others would call us cowards for not standing up for the baby, but the truth is, where would it end?
I'm not being sarcastic here so don't blast me fellas, but most people who are vehemently against abortion are also very religious, so in your minds, isn't the baby in a better place? Once again, I'm not poking fun at you or being sarcastic. If, after the very moment of conception, the cells that some would call a human life, should they die does that life go to heaven?
It's the soul and spirit which go to heaven. But it's normally from a person who has acknowledged Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Clearly that's not possible in this situation. However being that the baby, for lack of a better term, is without sin then I suppose it's possible as God would surely be compassionate toward them.
You have the same dilemna with young children and the mentally handicapped who aren't capable of totally understanding the concept of God.
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2013 04:25 PM by Redwingtom.)
(04-02-2013 02:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: And you can go **** yourself if you think that I'm against laws that say don't kill a baby. That's about the most despicable thing anyone can say and I want an apology.
Fine... I'm sorry you're a moral coward..
Quote:Abortion is legal.
So was slavery..
Quote:If Dr's or anyone else are killing viable babies outside the law, I don't support that and they should be punished accordingly.
Not supporting is a whole lot different than speaking up when you see it.
(04-02-2013 04:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I'm not being sarcastic here so don't blast me fellas, but most people who are vehemently against abortion are also very religious, so in your minds, isn't the baby in a better place? Once again, I'm not poking fun at you or being sarcastic. If, after the very moment of conception, the cells that some would call a human life, should they die does that life go to heaven?
Smothering a 1yo puts them in a better place right?
(04-02-2013 04:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I'm not being sarcastic here so don't blast me fellas, but most people who are vehemently against abortion are also very religious, so in your minds, isn't the baby in a better place? Once again, I'm not poking fun at you or being sarcastic. If, after the very moment of conception, the cells that some would call a human life, should they die does that life go to heaven?
Smothering a 1yo puts them in a better place right?
I never said that. I could expand this discussion but would slammed, so I won't, other to say a hundred years from now, would it matter how old we were when we died?
(04-02-2013 04:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I'm not being sarcastic here so don't blast me fellas, but most people who are vehemently against abortion are also very religious, so in your minds, isn't the baby in a better place? Once again, I'm not poking fun at you or being sarcastic. If, after the very moment of conception, the cells that some would call a human life, should they die does that life go to heaven?
Smothering a 1yo puts them in a better place right?
I never said that. I could expand this discussion but would slammed, so I won't, other to say a hundred years from now, would it matter how old we were when we died?
I was not trying to slam you, sorry... I was just pointing out how faulty the logic was. If you believe a 1yo and a 1day old in the womb are equally people than ethically and morally you have to treat them the same.
I believe every Baby that is aborted is done within the will of God. But I think *all* sin is done within the will of God, that makes it no less a sin.
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