93. UTEP: $3,477,603
94. UAB: $3,360,401
97. Rice: $3,209,394
104. Old Dominion: $2,808,187
107. Western Kentucky: $2,708,422
112. Charlotte: $2,559,471
118. Florida International: $2,470,801
121. Marshall: $2,447,787
150. Southern Miss: $2,048,188
155. North Texas: $1,967,941
168. Middle Tenn: $1,844,219
206. Louisiana Tech: $1,506,834
207. Florida Atlantic: $1,474,185
224. UTSA: $1,401,392


Ouch, this is pretty ugly. Only 3 schools in the top 100. All three are barely in the top 100 and one has a poor basketball history and probably only ranks in the top 100 because its scholarships are way more expensive than those at public universities.

For comparison, the new setup of the A10 will have 9 schools in the top 100.

Since 1980, the top 6 budgets in the new CUSA have 57 combined NCAA appearances. Charlotte & ODU are tied with 10, UAB has 14, UTEP has 11, and Rice has 0.

The bottom 8 budgets in the new CUSA have 24 combined NCAA appearances for comparison. Some of the schools in the bottom 8 haven't made the tournament for more than 20 years.

Ugly ugly ugly.

I expect several of the newcomer's budgets will rise because of increased travel expenses.

Doesn't appear to have too much of a negative impact on performance. Tech, Middle Tenn and Southern Miss are doing OK. However, we certainly need to improve our budgets.

This is the biggest reason why I'm skeptical of Arkansas St to CUSA.

Basketball: $1,089,763 - 274th
Overall: $13,276,502 - 207th

Both would be lowest in CUSA by a bunch. (discounting Charlotte's overall which does not have football in it yet)

(03-29-2013 01:31 PM)Niner National Wrote:  93. UTEP: $3,477,603
94. UAB: $3,360,401
97. Rice: $3,209,394
104. Old Dominion: $2,808,187
107. Western Kentucky: $2,708,422
112. Charlotte: $2,559,471
118. Florida International: $2,470,801
121. Marshall: $2,447,787
150. Southern Miss: $2,048,188
155. North Texas: $1,967,941
168. Middle Tenn: $1,844,219
206. Louisiana Tech: $1,506,834
207. Florida Atlantic: $1,474,185
224. UTSA: $1,401,392


Ouch, this is pretty ugly. Only 3 schools in the top 100. All three are barely in the top 100 and one has a poor basketball history and probably only ranks in the top 100 because its scholarships are way more expensive than those at public universities.

For comparison, the new setup of the A10 will have 9 schools in the top 100.

Since 1980, the top 6 budgets in the new CUSA have 57 combined NCAA appearances. Charlotte & ODU are tied with 10, UAB has 14, UTEP has 11, and Rice has 0.

The bottom 8 budgets in the new CUSA have 24 combined NCAA appearances for comparison. Some of the schools in the bottom 8 haven't made the tournament for more than 20 years.

Ugly ugly ugly.

Including the 1980 season, WKU has also had 14 appearances.

Try this link.

http://www.bbstate.com/info/schools-hoopsbudget

(03-29-2013 02:25 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Got a link for this list NN?

Numbers are from the Office of Post Secondary Education, most easily displayed on http://www.bbstate.com/info/schools-hoopsbudget (basketball only) and http://www.bbstate.com/info/schools-budget (overall athletic spending)

(03-29-2013 01:46 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  Doesn't appear to have too much of a negative impact on performance. Tech, Middle Tenn and Southern Miss are doing OK. However, we certainly need to improve our budgets.

Sometimes good years just happen, even for programs that don't invest much in them.

Only time will tell if they have staying power, but history tells us that the programs that spend more money have more success; consistently at least.

(03-29-2013 02:33 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 01:31 PM)Niner National Wrote:  93. UTEP: $3,477,603
94. UAB: $3,360,401
97. Rice: $3,209,394
104. Old Dominion: $2,808,187
107. Western Kentucky: $2,708,422
112. Charlotte: $2,559,471
118. Florida International: $2,470,801
121. Marshall: $2,447,787
150. Southern Miss: $2,048,188
155. North Texas: $1,967,941
168. Middle Tenn: $1,844,219
206. Louisiana Tech: $1,506,834
207. Florida Atlantic: $1,474,185
224. UTSA: $1,401,392


Ouch, this is pretty ugly. Only 3 schools in the top 100. All three are barely in the top 100 and one has a poor basketball history and probably only ranks in the top 100 because its scholarships are way more expensive than those at public universities.

For comparison, the new setup of the A10 will have 9 schools in the top 100.

Since 1980, the top 6 budgets in the new CUSA have 57 combined NCAA appearances. Charlotte & ODU are tied with 10, UAB has 14, UTEP has 11, and Rice has 0.

The bottom 8 budgets in the new CUSA have 24 combined NCAA appearances for comparison. Some of the schools in the bottom 8 haven't made the tournament for more than 20 years.

Ugly ugly ugly.

Including the 1980 season, WKU has also had 14 appearances.

Sorry, I included WKU in that 57, but forgot to state how many they had. WKU is represented in the top 6.

Here are the schools leaving;


18 $7,515,987 Memphis (C-USA)

65 $4,735,836 Tulsa (C-USA)

70 $4,562,905 Southern Methodist (C-USA)

124 $2,391,229 Houston (C-USA)

125 $2,365,649 Tulane (C-USA)

138 $2,198,198 East Carolina (C-USA)

(03-29-2013 02:07 PM)devyanks90 Wrote:  This is the biggest reason why I'm skeptical of Arkansas St to CUSA.

Basketball: $1,089,763 - 274th
Overall: $13,276,502 - 207th

Both would be lowest in CUSA by a bunch. (discounting Charlotte's overall which does not have football in it yet)

I don't understand how these schools operate FBS football on a budget like that. It doesn't really seem possible.

Charlotte's budget should be in the mid to upper 20's after football and the necessary title IX scholarships are added.

Regarding the expenditures, I almost think it is necessary to separate public versus private. Private schools will generally cost more simply because their scholarship values are significantly higher. That doesn't mean they're dumping more money into coaches or facilities though.

The new CUSA will be much better all around in b'ball in a few years than the old league; even with the loss of Memphis. No worries at all.

(03-29-2013 02:43 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 02:07 PM)devyanks90 Wrote:  This is the biggest reason why I'm skeptical of Arkansas St to CUSA.

Basketball: $1,089,763 - 274th
Overall: $13,276,502 - 207th

Both would be lowest in CUSA by a bunch. (discounting Charlotte's overall which does not have football in it yet)

I don't understand how these schools operate FBS football on a budget like that. It doesn't really seem possible.

Charlotte's budget should be in the mid to upper 20's after football and the necessary title IX scholarships are added.

Running the minimum amount of sports required to be division 1 (6 men's sports) and some creative accounting

(03-29-2013 01:31 PM)Niner National Wrote:  93. UTEP: $3,477,603
94. UAB: $3,360,401
97. Rice: $3,209,394
104. Old Dominion: $2,808,187
107. Western Kentucky: $2,708,422
112. Charlotte: $2,559,471
118. Florida International: $2,470,801
121. Marshall: $2,447,787
150. Southern Miss: $2,048,188
155. North Texas: $1,967,941
168. Middle Tenn: $1,844,219
206. Louisiana Tech: $1,506,834
207. Florida Atlantic: $1,474,185
224. UTSA: $1,401,392

I'd say the $2M mark is respectable as far as having a competitive league that can be multibid- and I think some in the top half could increase as well.

However, below $2M is unacceptable. The entire bottom 5 are new comers and I'd imagine these schools plan on increasing their budgets and hopefully with arena upgrades and improvements, otherwise it would be no surprise to see a large divide in the league as far as basketball results go.

And as already said, the privates should have a separate list as their scholarships are much more expensive.

(03-29-2013 03:30 PM)monarchman Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 01:31 PM)Niner National Wrote:  93. UTEP: $3,477,603
94. UAB: $3,360,401
97. Rice: $3,209,394
104. Old Dominion: $2,808,187
107. Western Kentucky: $2,708,422
112. Charlotte: $2,559,471
118. Florida International: $2,470,801
121. Marshall: $2,447,787
150. Southern Miss: $2,048,188
155. North Texas: $1,967,941
168. Middle Tenn: $1,844,219
206. Louisiana Tech: $1,506,834
207. Florida Atlantic: $1,474,185
224. UTSA: $1,401,392

I'd say the $2M mark is respectable as far as having a competitive league that can be multibid- and I think some in the top half could increase as well.

However, below $2M is unacceptable. The entire bottom 5 are new comers and I'd imagine these schools plan on increasing their budgets and hopefully with arena upgrades and improvements, otherwise it would be no surprise to see a large divide in the league as far as basketball results go.

And as already said, the privates should have a separate list as their scholarships are much more expensive.

Tech's should definitely increase. Our coach just got a raise rumored to be in the 150-250k range. We also expect the addition of a new scoreboard to the TAC this year.

With odu new coach ours may go down a lil but the hire is good and we save money for travel. But we are building a new practice building and we should have it built by end of next year.

Announcement will be this week now that sweet 16 is done with a two of the interviewers are done playing.

(03-29-2013 02:45 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Regarding the expenditures, I almost think it is necessary to separate public versus private. Private schools will generally cost more simply because their scholarship values are significantly higher. That doesn't mean they're dumping more money into coaches or facilities though.

This has a major effect on Southern Miss's athletic department numbers that I think gets swept under the rug sometimes. Mississippi public universities have the lowest tuition cost of any state in the union. Using instate rates, we can fund roughly six scholarships for the price of one at Rice. Basically, Rice's costs are inflated by a whopping 600% in reference to Southern Miss's based solely on scholarship costs.

Even so, Southern Miss is going to have to give Tyndall a sizable raise...that number will rise for us.

(03-30-2013 03:02 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 02:45 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Regarding the expenditures, I almost think it is necessary to separate public versus private. Private schools will generally cost more simply because their scholarship values are significantly higher. That doesn't mean they're dumping more money into coaches or facilities though.

This has a major effect on Southern Miss's athletic department numbers that I think gets swept under the rug sometimes. Mississippi public universities have the lowest tuition cost of any state in the union. Using instate rates, we can fund roughly six scholarships for the price of one at Rice. Basically, Rice's costs are inflated by a whopping 600% in reference to Southern Miss's based solely on scholarship costs.

Even so, Southern Miss is going to have to give Tyndall a sizable raise...that number will rise for us.

I think this is the same case with Tech.