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Interesting quotes from last nights game, basically saying they lost to the zone:

"Let's face facts. We haven't seen a zone like that," Crean said. "They're very good. They're where they're at for a reason."

"Credit them," Oladipo said. "They did a great job with their zone. They're well-coached."

There seems to be two things, maybe a lack of respect from Indiana, of how much more athletic Syracuse is then IU, maybe even the Big East as a whole compared to the Big 10 this year, and why don't more teams play zone exclusively. It's odd how many coaches come tournament time talk about the difficulty of playing against it, yet it really isn't mimicked.
 
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(03-29-2013 11:06 AM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  It's odd how many coaches come tournament time talk about the difficulty of playing against it, yet it really isn't mimicked.

Not many teams have the length and the athletes to run it as effectively as Syracuse does. Boeheim has been doing it so long, he recruits players for it. It would take an entire rebuild in most programs to get the players to run it 100% of the time.
 
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(03-29-2013 11:10 AM)subflea Wrote:  
(03-29-2013 11:06 AM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  It's odd how many coaches come tournament time talk about the difficulty of playing against it, yet it really isn't mimicked.

Not many teams have the length and the athletes to run it as effectively as Syracuse does. Boeheim has been doing it so long, he recruits players for it. It would take an entire rebuild in most programs to get the players to run it 100% of the time.

I guess that's a chicken / egg thing, I think that the length is a bonus of the zone, not a requirement of it. You don't need to find a PG that can defend 1v1 against most point guards, thus making it easier to find and use bigger guards. It would have really helped the 94 team IMO with Damon Flint really excelling, I think he could have played PG on a zone team, but couldn't guard 1v1 the quicker smaller guards.
 
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That Zone is Cuse's calling card, and they run it really well.
 
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Boehieim was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about it being nice to get out of the Big East and face teams that are not familiar with the zone and just how athletic the players are and how tough the zone is. Said very few teams in college basketball play a good zone, so when teams face one, they are usually caught off guard. Talked about how Big East foes are more familiar with it and seems to have a little more success against them because of the familiarity.
 
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Anyone else think with the length we'll have next year that we should be able to play a really good 2-3 zone?
 
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(03-29-2013 11:58 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Boehieim was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about it being nice to get out of the Big East and face teams that are not familiar with the zone and just how athletic the players are and how tough the zone is. Said very few teams in college basketball play a good zone, so when teams face one, they are usually caught off guard. Talked about how Big East foes are more familiar with it and seems to have a little more success against them because of the familiarity.

Yeah, if you're a Syracuse, just your luck you're playing a BE team in the Elite 8.
 
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(03-29-2013 12:47 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Anyone else think with the length we'll have next year that we should be able to play a really good 2-3 zone?

Mick believes in pressure man-2-man too much to ever go full time to a zone. Occasionally as a gimick, or to protect someone with fouls, but never as a full time defense.
 
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I wasn't suggesting going to it full time, but we did play 45 min. of 2-3 vs. Marquette this year. When we do play 2-3 next year we're going to be really long with 6-3 Caupain, 6-4 SK, 6-9 Lawrence, and whichever bigs are in.
 
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(03-29-2013 02:08 PM)ctipton Wrote:  Mick believes in pressure man-2-man too much to ever go full time to a zone. Occasionally as a gimick, or to protect someone with fouls, but never as a full time defense.

The other thing Boeheim said is the reason he went to the 2-3 zone. He used to run man-to-man and some zone for many years. He liked how the zone worked and said, man if we start practicing nothing but this 2-3 zone, imagine how great we could get at it instead of partially working on it. So that is why he made the transition to always 2-3. I'd say that decision has worked out pretty good.
 
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I could see us run more zone next year with our length. We used it pretty successfully near the end of the 2011-12 season. Wish we would have at least tried it at home against Notre Dame this year. Chris is right that Mick will never go to it full time. He learned defense from Huggins and Pitino, and they both are pressure man to man coaches who will occasionally use some zone.
 
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