Would Arkansas State accept a football-only invitation from the MAC?

(03-27-2013 02:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Would Arkansas State accept a football-only invitation from the MAC?

What basketball conference would take them?

Also, I think the MAC is done with football-only invites. They cause more trouble than they're worth.

(03-27-2013 12:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:35 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:29 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  We were kicking your butts until we ran out of plays scripted by Hugh Freeze.

You guys went up early but then we up 31 unanswered and put the game away. You can play the what if game all day but that's why you play four quarters. Also helped that we had a seasoned QB who went on to be drafted by the Colts and currently backs up Luck so that definitely was going in our favor.

Also helped that your guys weren't being coached by volunteers who first met the team in December. Certainly didn't hurt that the ACC refs declared the fake kick unreviewable when the spot of the ball on the line to gain is always reviewable.

That one was a bad call, admittedly. I think the ballcarrier got to within about a yard of the first down. Looked like something a Big East official would have done. But NIU won by more than a TD.

ACC / Big East what's the difference? Bottomline don't trust refs from leagues that don't take football seriously.

One of these days I'm going to an ASU bowl game and we'll have the same staff we had at the start of the season.

We aren't doing too much better there. We've had our head coach for 1 out of the last 3 bowl games. Though this past year we had more staff left over, I think, than we did in 2010.

(03-27-2013 02:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 12:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 11:22 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:35 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  You guys went up early but then we up 31 unanswered and put the game away. You can play the what if game all day but that's why you play four quarters. Also helped that we had a seasoned QB who went on to be drafted by the Colts and currently backs up Luck so that definitely was going in our favor.

Also helped that your guys weren't being coached by volunteers who first met the team in December. Certainly didn't hurt that the ACC refs declared the fake kick unreviewable when the spot of the ball on the line to gain is always reviewable.

That one was a bad call, admittedly. I think the ballcarrier got to within about a yard of the first down. Looked like something a Big East official would have done. But NIU won by more than a TD.

ACC / Big East what's the difference? Bottomline don't trust refs from leagues that don't take football seriously.

One of these days I'm going to an ASU bowl game and we'll have the same staff we had at the start of the season.

We aren't doing too much better there. We've had our head coach for 1 out of the last 3 bowl games. Though this past year we had more staff left over, I think, than we did in 2010.

This year warranted a horse whipping and every time they showed Doeren on TV during the Orange Bowl I cussed him if that helps any.

I can't give Doeren a hard time because he got us to 2 MAC championships in a row, after not getting one since 1983 (though we weren't in the MAC for 10 of those years). I thought he did a very good job coaching (though of course he inherited a good team).

I do think it's yet another dysfunctional thing about college football when your coach leaves before the season is over.

(03-27-2013 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I can't give Doeren a hard time because he got us to 2 MAC championships in a row, after not getting one since 1983 (though we weren't in the MAC for 10 of those years). I thought he did a very good job coaching (though of course he inherited a good team).

I do think it's yet another dysfunctional thing about college football when your coach leaves before the season is over.

They could fix that by moving signing day (for football) to thanksgiving weekend. The big need for a quick move is to lock down a recruiting class

(03-27-2013 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I can't give Doeren a hard time because he got us to 2 MAC championships in a row, after not getting one since 1983 (though we weren't in the MAC for 10 of those years). I thought he did a very good job coaching (though of course he inherited a good team).

I do think it's yet another dysfunctional thing about college football when your coach leaves before the season is over.

I can concede a coach leaving before an "ordinary" bowl game but there are only five BCS games. That's like a coach telling a basketball team, it's been a good run but I'm taking this other job, good luck in the Sweet 16 later this week.

(03-27-2013 02:37 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 02:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Would Arkansas State accept a football-only invitation from the MAC?

What basketball conference would take them?

Also, I think the MAC is done with football-only invites. They cause more trouble than they're worth.

The Summit would take Arkansas State basketball in a heartbeat, as would the eastward-stretching WAC (which is expanding into Chicago and Kansas City). A longshot possibility is the MVC, which is reportedly in discussions with Oral Roberts about potentially replacing Creighton. ORU finished the season at #149 in the RPI. Arkansas State was in the same neighborhood at #161.

I grant your point about football-onlies complicating matters, but 13 is an awkward number for olympic sports scheduling. Adding Arkansas State as a football-only member would balance UMass and allow the MAC to have equalized east-west divisions for both football and Olympic sports.

(03-27-2013 05:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 02:37 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 02:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Would Arkansas State accept a football-only invitation from the MAC?

What basketball conference would take them?

Also, I think the MAC is done with football-only invites. They cause more trouble than they're worth.

The Summit would take Arkansas State basketball in a heartbeat, as would the eastward-stretching WAC (which is expanding into Chicago and Kansas City). A longshot possibility is the MVC, which is reportedly in discussions with Oral Roberts about potentially replacing Creighton. ORU finished the season at #149 in the RPI. Arkansas State was in the same neighborhood at #161.

I grant your point about football-onlies complicating matters, but 13 is an awkward number for olympic sports scheduling. Adding Arkansas State as a football-only member would balance UMass and allow the MAC to have equalized east-west divisions for both football and Olympic sports.

No, no, no football only invites. Put UMass on the clock ASAP if they arent already.

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Arkansas state is looking for all sports or nothing, they simply want out of the belt!..

There is still a outside shot CUSA takes 3 to go to 16..WKU,ULL ,Ark st

(03-27-2013 04:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I can't give Doeren a hard time because he got us to 2 MAC championships in a row, after not getting one since 1983 (though we weren't in the MAC for 10 of those years). I thought he did a very good job coaching (though of course he inherited a good team).

I do think it's yet another dysfunctional thing about college football when your coach leaves before the season is over.

I can concede a coach leaving before an "ordinary" bowl game but there are only five BCS games. That's like a coach telling a basketball team, it's been a good run but I'm taking this other job, good luck in the Sweet 16 later this week.

You would think that would have made a difference, but apparently not.

(03-27-2013 05:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I grant your point about football-onlies complicating matters, but 13 is an awkward number for olympic sports scheduling.

There's something to consider ... how many Olympic Sports would be booked out? I'll use Wikipedia and the Arkie State athletics page. To summarize, its Baseball, Women's Soccer, and Women's Volleyball ~ scheduling for an odd number of BBall schools is not a major headache, nor are meet sports with individual NCAA championship qualifications, like Cross-Country and Track.

Football - 14
M/W BBall - 13, of course, required Div1 sport
M Baseball - 13
W Cross Country - 13
W Soccer - 13
W Track - 13
W Volleyball - 13

M Cross Country - 10
W Field Hockey - 6
M/W Golf - 10
W Gymnastics - 7
M Soccer - 8
W Softball - 12
M Swimming & Diving - 7
W Swimming & Diving - 8
M Track - 7
M Tennis - 6
W Tennis - 10
M Wrestling - 6