He also made a point of saying that King and the rest of the recruiting class are all more often type Coach Pastner can coach. Said Pastner deals with a lot of drama that swirls around the program.

Said Adonis is a "nice kid", but needs to lose 20 pounds.

He does look like his weight slows him down. Needs to get in the gym.

I would agree with Adonis losing weight. That is fairly obvious from anyone that watches him play. I can't imagine how dominant Adonis would be if he really committed himself to an offseason conditioning program & got himself in top shape physically. Honestly - he has shown flashes even at the weight he is at now; I would imagine he would blossom into an unstoppable force if he would lose at least 15 pounds. Hopefully this year has opened his eyes & shown him how hard it is at this level & how every little thing matters.

(03-27-2013 12:27 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  Black is looking for someone to box out and has no idea which player to box out. He should look for where the ball is going to bounce first and then figure who to box out.

Not on the defensive end, my friend. On the defensive end, you put a body on someone. If you can't get to your man, you body up someone on the other team.

On the offensive end, you play the direction the ball is supposed to come off: If it's a shot from the corner, you play the other side of the rim, a shot from the top of the circle you play right in front of the rim, any in between and it's a 90 degree angle from the spot of the shot.

Although this wasn't on the clips that CUSA-NEWS posted, in one instance Black had Payne boxed out and the rebound came off high. Black should've had it and pulled it down, but it went a bit over his head and he let Payne snatch it away. I was disappoint. Tarik is supposed to be our enforcer. He can do better.

(03-27-2013 01:19 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Dana was also fortunate to have two great bigs in Lee and Bedford. Except for a pre-injury Vaughn we haven't had a really talented big since. Ren was a hard worker but not as talented as the other 3.

Ren was a warrior, which made up for whatever he was lacking.

That kept him in the NBA for 15 years.

(03-27-2013 03:12 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 12:27 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  Black is looking for someone to box out and has no idea which player to box out. He should look for where the ball is going to bounce first and then figure who to box out.

Not on the defensive end, my friend. On the defensive end, you put a body on someone. If you can't get to your man, you body up someone on the other team.

On the offensive end, you play the direction the ball is supposed to come off: If it's a shot from the corner, you play the other side of the rim, a shot from the top of the circle you play right in front of the rim, any in between and it's a 90 degree angle from the spot of the shot.

The point of rebounding -- whether it's offensive or defensive -- is to get the ball. What point is there to box someone out if you don't get the rebound? If I'm boxing someone out that has absolutely no chance of getting the rebound, what good does it do? Make sure you know when the ball is in the air, judge where it may wind up, go get the ball.

As for playing the shot on the offensive end, does the ball bounce differently on the defensive end? Do you not want to judge the trajectory of the shot on the defensive end as well as the offensive end particularly when you're playing on the front line?

It seems to me that you take the same approach to rebounding on both ends of the court.

Tarik has no nose for the ball with rebounding. I can't tell how many times in the MSU game he was busy boxing someone out and never jumped for the ball. The only way he would have gotten more rebounds is if the ball just happened to land in his hands.

(03-27-2013 12:23 PM)TiggerFan Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 11:52 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:53 AM)stratecashomie Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 10:38 AM)83msu Wrote:  He was hard on Memphis kids about their skills. Said there are non sanctioned games now so if the get mad or u discipline them they just leave. He did say we have no idea bout the drama/personalities Josh has to deal with. He said..I don't know if Black, or Adonis or AB, or Shaq will stay or leave. I did not know Shaq might be unhappy. All these young men are great. But if your not in 110% then it may be better to move on. I would hate to see it but...

this was the most important part of it.

he essentially said that in these AAU games that if youre unhappy with your play time or the coach benches you or whatever, you can just leave the team and join another. it's the culture of basketball that our guys grew up in and so they have that same mentality.

When we were kids, the coaches worked your ass off and told us if we didn't like it, to get the hell out. Tell a kid that today and he will go play soccer or Play Station or whatever.

You obviously have no soccer experience with Richard Bute. Most kids who play soccer won't even consider playing for him. Had I known what type of influence he had shaping my kid's life, I would have paid double. My son is only 23 and even at that age he acknowledges that the discipline he had to live by impacts his life every day. Playing for Richard had him looking forward to getting out of boot camp so he could get back in to shape.

Played against Richard Bute teams growing up playing competitive soccer. His teams were always the best in the west and we dominated middle Tennessee, which created many memorable games. I also went to his soccer camp at Christian Brothers.

(03-27-2013 03:23 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  The point of rebounding -- whether it's offensive or defensive -- is to get the ball. What point is there to box someone out if you don't get the rebound? If I'm boxing someone out that has absolutely no chance of getting the rebound, what good does it do? Make sure you know when the ball is in the air, judge where it may wind up, go get the ball.

As for playing the shot on the offensive end, does the ball bounce differently on the defensive end? Do you not want to judge the trajectory of the shot on the defensive end as well as the offensive end particularly when you're playing on the front line?

It seems to me that you take the same approach to rebounding on both ends of the court.

Tarik has no nose for the ball with rebounding. I can't tell how many times in the MSU game he was busy boxing someone out and never jumped for the ball. The only way he would have gotten more rebounds is if the ball just happened to land in his hands.

Rebounding on the two ends, just from my personal experience and what I've been told by coaches, is a lot different. On the defensive, the defensive player has a massive advantage because he's supposed to already be in position. You turn towards the basket, seal your man, and if every other defender who's man is within 15 ft of the basket is doing the same, you get the defensive rebound the majority of the time. You have to be strong and disciplined. It doesn't really matter who (the C, F or G) gets the defensive rebound as long as someone gets it.

Offense is different. You really need a "nose for the ball" on the offensive end because you have to go and get it.

Just a question, when was the last time you got out and played a game of basketball?

If this trio of Memphis recruits comes in with the right attitude & does things Pastner's way from the beginning, then this could really be a special year. There is some obvious talent there, & it fills some big needs that we have. The key is they have to have their head on right & adjust quickly.

(03-27-2013 11:50 AM)JCraft Wrote:  Folks around here that know me, know that I bleed Tiger Blue. I love my Tigers to no end, but as much as I can't stand Easterwood or Parrish, they are dead on about Adonis. He still has two yrs to get it together and I sorely hope he does, but right now he don't have "IT" and if he don't get it in the off-season he will be coming in off the bench next year if at all.

Interesting

There was a segment with Easterwood a few weeks ago where he talked about some locals that were creating drama or at least trying to create drama around the team. Said what a great job Coach Stoudamire was doing letting those people know exactly how things were going to be handled by the coaching staff and to stay out of the way(words to that effect).

Anyone want to enlighten me on what that's about?

I blame it on Sports 560 and their passive aggressive treatment of the program...

(03-27-2013 04:09 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 11:50 AM)JCraft Wrote:  Folks around here that know me, know that I bleed Tiger Blue. I love my Tigers to no end, but as much as I can't stand Easterwood or Parrish, they are dead on about Adonis. He still has two yrs to get it together and I sorely hope he does, but right now he don't have "IT" and if he don't get it in the off-season he will be coming in off the bench next year if at all.

Interesting

The man of the hour.

For what its worth I like hearing from Keith and Adonis is exactly what Wolken said he would be. A solid player who would not lead the team in either scoring or rebounding, but do alot of other things to help win.

(03-27-2013 03:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 03:23 PM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  The point of rebounding -- whether it's offensive or defensive -- is to get the ball. What point is there to box someone out if you don't get the rebound? If I'm boxing someone out that has absolutely no chance of getting the rebound, what good does it do? Make sure you know when the ball is in the air, judge where it may wind up, go get the ball.

As for playing the shot on the offensive end, does the ball bounce differently on the defensive end? Do you not want to judge the trajectory of the shot on the defensive end as well as the offensive end particularly when you're playing on the front line?

It seems to me that you take the same approach to rebounding on both ends of the court.

Tarik has no nose for the ball with rebounding. I can't tell how many times in the MSU game he was busy boxing someone out and never jumped for the ball. The only way he would have gotten more rebounds is if the ball just happened to land in his hands.

Rebounding on the two ends, just from my personal experience and what I've been told by coaches, is a lot different. On the defensive, the defensive player has a massive advantage because he's supposed to already be in position. You turn towards the basket, seal your man, and if every other defender who's man is within 15 ft of the basket is doing the same, you get the defensive rebound the majority of the time. You have to be strong and disciplined. It doesn't really matter who (the C, F or G) gets the defensive rebound as long as someone gets it.

Offense is different. You really need a "nose for the ball" on the offensive end because you have to go and get it.

Just a question, when was the last time you got out and played a game of basketball?

On the defensive end, I'm not sure I agree with you about an advantage because of position. Offensive C and PF and SF generally play around the basket and will be in position as well. I'm not saying blocking out is bad. Far from it. But learning the bounce is better.

As for the offensive end, there is no qualititave difference. The strategy is the same.

Defensive players such as guards can and do crash the boards just as their offensive counterparts do. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. On the defensive end, if your guards are crashing the boards (first of all your bigs should be doing that job anyway), then you're cutting out your fast break opportunities off of missed shots (see Miami Heat, for example, who average about 14 points per game off of such misses), because your guards should be breaking downcourt off of a misss. If your offensive guards are crashing the boards, then you're giving up potential fast breaks because they can't get back in time in case you don't get the rebound.

As for playing basketball, for the past 7-8 years I've played 2-3 times a week full court pick up basketball. I played this past Monday. I will play again on Friday. When was the last time you played basketball?

(03-27-2013 04:10 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  There was a segment with Easterwood a few weeks ago where he talked about some locals that were creating drama or at least trying to create drama around the team. Said what a great job Coach Stoudamire was doing letting those people know exactly how things were going to be handled by the coaching staff and to stay out of the way(words to that effect).

Anyone want to enlighten me on what that's about?

Too bad Easterwood doesn't post here.

(03-27-2013 04:09 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 11:50 AM)JCraft Wrote:  Folks around here that know me, know that I bleed Tiger Blue. I love my Tigers to no end, but as much as I can't stand Easterwood or Parrish, they are dead on about Adonis. He still has two yrs to get it together and I sorely hope he does, but right now he don't have "IT" and if he don't get it in the off-season he will be coming in off the bench next year if at all.

Interesting

Great show. So is the drama settling, or getting worse?

It's getting better because Josh is handling it better.

The Damon stuff was him taking a stand vs. a local coach.

(03-27-2013 11:41 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Remember the Dana Kirk teams loaded with Memphis players?

The criticism then was that we'd never win with all local players. We had to be national.

Then came Cal and the national focus. Criticism then was that we didn't have local players (or kept losing local players to other programs).

Now we have local players.

What's the issue again?

We just need the RIGHT players.