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RE: SBC wants to get to 12. Who do they add?
(03-27-2013 08:35 AM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  They have a pretty good west division with Louisiana, ULM, Arkansas State, Texas State, New Mexico State, Idaho. So I'm assuming the final member will come from the East.

I would say that James Madison is far and away the best option for a football program. It remains questionable if they are willing to leave the CAA.

I'm going to throw UT-Chattanooga into the pile as a possibility. Great facilities and good basketball, as well as a good geographic fit.

Florida A&M would be an interesting pick, but they probably have too many institutional issues to make the move at the current time.

Florida A&M would be a great pick; but I think that boat is gone.
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RE: SBC wants to get to 12. Who do they add?
Here are all of the FCS schools with average attendance above 15,000 that are not already committed to an FBS conference, excluding HBCUs:

25,263 Montana
22,783 JMU
18,542 Delaware
18,516 North Dakota St
17,627 Montana St
16,318 Liberty
16,006 Jacksonville St

JMU is the obvious first choice to backfill for WKU. The question is who else will be invited if the Sun Belt loses Arkansas State too.

Montana and Montana State will only move as a pair, and only one addition is needed, so cross them off as potential football-only invitees.

Delaware is pretty far out of the footprint and to my knowledge hasn't indicated an interest in moving up to FBS. Cross off.

North Dakota State has won two consecutive FCS championships, is very interested in moving up, and isn't attracting so much as a glance from the MAC. And NDSU can leave its Olympic sports in the Summit so it has no problem coming aboard as a football-only. Hmmmm...

Liberty brings political baggage; cross off. Jacksonville State doesn't bring a new market; cross off.

My guess is that JMU replaces WKU in the eastern division and, if necessary, North Dakota State as a football-only addition replaces Arkansas State in the western division. NMSU's football-only invitation is upgraded to all sports to backfill for Arkansas State's olympic sports.
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Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.
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RE: SBC wants to get to 12. Who do they add?
(03-27-2013 07:30 PM)Mothball Wrote:  Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.

Not exactly...App State and GSU have very strong programs.

JMU would be another strong addition if they could pull it off.
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(03-27-2013 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:17 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  After JMU gets added then Missouri St and Sam Houston St are the next up. Followed by Liberty, Jacksonville St, and Chattanooga.

Lamar was fairly close to joining the WAC a couple of years ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see their name pop up in the event ULL or Ark State leave.

Travel in the all sport conference of the SBC is looking pretty good.....

SBC East: JMU, ASU, GS, GSU, USA, Troy
SBC West: ArkSt, UALR, ULM, ULL, UTA, Tx St

Things start to get funky once you throw in NMSU and Idaho into the West division but still its not too bad.

In November of 1986 I sat in a press conference when Arkansas State announced the formation of the American South. I asked ASU's AD at the time why form a hoops league and leave football an indy. He told me that a) they felt the marketplace rewarded better basketball leagues and b) they were getting tired of having to block SW Texas, NW Louisiana, and the "dead Texans" from expansion talks.

Lamar isn't acceptable to Arkansas State and Louisiana. If their name keeps coming up block fatigue may set in.

Why?
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(03-27-2013 08:28 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:17 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  After JMU gets added then Missouri St and Sam Houston St are the next up. Followed by Liberty, Jacksonville St, and Chattanooga.

Lamar was fairly close to joining the WAC a couple of years ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see their name pop up in the event ULL or Ark State leave.

Travel in the all sport conference of the SBC is looking pretty good.....

SBC East: JMU, ASU, GS, GSU, USA, Troy
SBC West: ArkSt, UALR, ULM, ULL, UTA, Tx St

Things start to get funky once you throw in NMSU and Idaho into the West division but still its not too bad.

In November of 1986 I sat in a press conference when Arkansas State announced the formation of the American South. I asked ASU's AD at the time why form a hoops league and leave football an indy. He told me that a) they felt the marketplace rewarded better basketball leagues and b) they were getting tired of having to block SW Texas, NW Louisiana, and the "dead Texans" from expansion talks.

Lamar isn't acceptable to Arkansas State and Louisiana. If their name keeps coming up block fatigue may set in.

Why?

Southland history.

Plus they LOST their football program. They need to prove it in FCS first.
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RE: SBC wants to get to 12. Who do they add?
(03-27-2013 08:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:28 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:17 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  After JMU gets added then Missouri St and Sam Houston St are the next up. Followed by Liberty, Jacksonville St, and Chattanooga.

Lamar was fairly close to joining the WAC a couple of years ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see their name pop up in the event ULL or Ark State leave.

Travel in the all sport conference of the SBC is looking pretty good.....

SBC East: JMU, ASU, GS, GSU, USA, Troy
SBC West: ArkSt, UALR, ULM, ULL, UTA, Tx St

Things start to get funky once you throw in NMSU and Idaho into the West division but still its not too bad.

In November of 1986 I sat in a press conference when Arkansas State announced the formation of the American South. I asked ASU's AD at the time why form a hoops league and leave football an indy. He told me that a) they felt the marketplace rewarded better basketball leagues and b) they were getting tired of having to block SW Texas, NW Louisiana, and the "dead Texans" from expansion talks.

Lamar isn't acceptable to Arkansas State and Louisiana. If their name keeps coming up block fatigue may set in.

Why?

Southland history.

Plus they LOST their football program. They need to prove it in FCS first.

Not only did they fail so badly at FCS that they dropped their program, they WERE a member of the Sun Belt for Oly sports and LEFT because they weren't competitive in SBC basketball and Oly sports (!).
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(03-27-2013 07:34 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:30 PM)Mothball Wrote:  Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.

Not exactly...App State and GSU have very strong programs.

JMU would be another strong addition if they could pull it off.

My bad, didn't mean to insult anyone. It just seems as though the Sun Belt looks more like a 1-AA conference the way things are headed. You never know though. Some of these programs could come in and perform better than CUSA, MAC, etc.
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(03-27-2013 08:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:28 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Lamar was fairly close to joining the WAC a couple of years ago so I wouldn't be surprised to see their name pop up in the event ULL or Ark State leave.

Travel in the all sport conference of the SBC is looking pretty good.....

SBC East: JMU, ASU, GS, GSU, USA, Troy
SBC West: ArkSt, UALR, ULM, ULL, UTA, Tx St

Things start to get funky once you throw in NMSU and Idaho into the West division but still its not too bad.

In November of 1986 I sat in a press conference when Arkansas State announced the formation of the American South. I asked ASU's AD at the time why form a hoops league and leave football an indy. He told me that a) they felt the marketplace rewarded better basketball leagues and b) they were getting tired of having to block SW Texas, NW Louisiana, and the "dead Texans" from expansion talks.

Lamar isn't acceptable to Arkansas State and Louisiana. If their name keeps coming up block fatigue may set in.

Why?

Southland history.

Plus they LOST their football program. They need to prove it in FCS first.

Not only did they fail so badly at FCS that they dropped their program, they WERE a member of the Sun Belt for Oly sports and LEFT because they weren't competitive in SBC basketball and Oly sports (!).

Is it Lamar specifically because of the above reasons or any SLC school?
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(03-27-2013 09:19 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 08:28 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In November of 1986 I sat in a press conference when Arkansas State announced the formation of the American South. I asked ASU's AD at the time why form a hoops league and leave football an indy. He told me that a) they felt the marketplace rewarded better basketball leagues and b) they were getting tired of having to block SW Texas, NW Louisiana, and the "dead Texans" from expansion talks.

Lamar isn't acceptable to Arkansas State and Louisiana. If their name keeps coming up block fatigue may set in.

Why?

Southland history.

Plus they LOST their football program. They need to prove it in FCS first.

Not only did they fail so badly at FCS that they dropped their program, they WERE a member of the Sun Belt for Oly sports and LEFT because they weren't competitive in SBC basketball and Oly sports (!).

Is it Lamar specifically because of the above reasons or any SLC school?

ULL doesn't want another SLC school. They also don't want eastern teams. I dont' think they really are putting the Belt in any 'win' situation.

I think ULM and stAte feel the same.

Combined with the bad history Lamar has with some of the old timer SBC schools (such as USA and UALR), it makes their bid somewhat problematic.

If I had to take a SLC school, I'd take SHSU or McNeese (if ULL bails).
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You've gotta love SHSU's competitiveness, but this is a school with a 14,000-seat stadium that could only draw 8,782 per game in a season that it played for the FCS championship. I just don't see the support being there for the Bearkats to move up to FBS anytime soon.
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(03-27-2013 07:30 PM)Mothball Wrote:  Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.

(03-27-2013 09:10 PM)Mothball Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:34 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:30 PM)Mothball Wrote:  Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.

Not exactly...App State and GSU have very strong programs.

JMU would be another strong addition if they could pull it off.

My bad, didn't mean to insult anyone. It just seems as though the Sun Belt looks more like a 1-AA conference the way things are headed. You never know though. Some of these programs could come in and perform better than CUSA, MAC, etc.

Perhaps it does but App State and GSU are two very strong programs with a lot of potential. I do question some of what the Belt has done but those two schools were huge gets. JMU would fit into that mold as well.

Honestly I hope NDSU can still get into an FBS league before they are all full. It's really sad to see that the WAC is gone now.
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Saw in the AJC this morning, that the moves of Appalachian St., Georgia Southern, NMSU and Idaho for football only were made official yesterday for 2014.

This had all been reported as likely a done deal by MSM, but haven't seen anyone else report it as official.

Benson also mentioned WKU is speculated to leave. He is hoping they stay.
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(03-27-2013 12:28 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I know its all about football but none of the adds (App St. GaSo. JMU) do anything for basketball. Losing WKU is bad for B-Ball.

I know I have no dog in this hunt, other than to be a supporter of both the MAC and SBC, in addition to my CUSA, but you make a good point if WKU comes with us. I fully understand the "why" by NMSU, a good add for you in football, I think, would have really upped the game in basketball.
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(03-27-2013 12:28 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I know its all about football but none of the adds (App St. GaSo. JMU) do anything for basketball. Losing WKU is bad for B-Ball.
In this year's Sagarin ratings, at least, JMU is #155=73.20. The center-weighted average rating of the Sunbelt is 69.50.

JMU obviously does not make up for MTSU, the Sunbelt's only top-100 school, but Arkie State is #162=72.94, and WKY is #179=71.78, so JMU definitely has the capacity to replace either one of those near the top of the Sunbelt BB strength of schedule.

Indeed, BBall is part of the argument FOR JMU, since GA Southern and Appy State drag the Sun Belt SOS down.
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Have you all seen pictures of JMU's Stadium? Bridgeforth is most definitely designed as a FBS football stadium, currently with 27,000 seats or so, and with plans for finishing the renovation and having over 40,000 seats.

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(03-28-2013 10:22 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 12:28 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I know its all about football but none of the adds (App St. GaSo. JMU) do anything for basketball. Losing WKU is bad for B-Ball.

I know I have no dog in this hunt, other than to be a supporter of both the MAC and SBC, in addition to my CUSA, but you make a good point if WKU comes with us. I fully understand the "why" by NMSU, a good add for you in football, I think, would have really upped the game in basketball.
You'll need to take Tulsa out of your awesome sig and put in WKU. 04-cheers
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(03-27-2013 09:10 PM)Mothball Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:34 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:30 PM)Mothball Wrote:  Wow, the Sunbelt is really going in the crapper.

Not exactly...App State and GSU have very strong programs.

JMU would be another strong addition if they could pull it off.

My bad, didn't mean to insult anyone. It just seems as though the Sun Belt looks more like a 1-AA conference the way things are headed. You never know though. Some of these programs could come in and perform better than CUSA, MAC, etc.
Compared to CUSA especially and possibly the MAC, the new SBC is not bad.

CUSA is left with USM and La. Tech as the top dogs in football. The SBC has stAte and ULL who both measure up on the field and in the stands. The SBC has added a couple of elite FCS programs and a couple that have potential, particularly Texas St. CUSA added an FCS who has been very good lately in ODU as well as a startup UTSA and a soon to start up UNCC.

After the top two CUSA schools (and USM was terrible for one year) the rest are not world beaters. Marshall and MTSU have had some solid seasons and good support. UTEP has great fan support but has been awful on the field for a long time.
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(03-28-2013 01:28 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
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(03-27-2013 12:28 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I know its all about football but none of the adds (App St. GaSo. JMU) do anything for basketball. Losing WKU is bad for B-Ball.

I know I have no dog in this hunt, other than to be a supporter of both the MAC and SBC, in addition to my CUSA, but you make a good point if WKU comes with us. I fully understand the "why" by NMSU, a good add for you in football, I think, would have really upped the game in basketball.
You'll need to take Tulsa out of your awesome sig and put in WKU. 04-cheers

Have we heard anything official yet? i heard it may be next week... or even next year?!?! dun dun dun
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(03-28-2013 12:08 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Have you all seen pictures of JMU's Stadium? Bridgeforth is most definitely designed as a FBS football stadium, currently with 27,000 seats or so, and with plans for finishing the renovation and having over 40,000 seats.

The hallmark of an FCS (or high school) stadium is that most of the seats are on one side of the field.
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