(03-25-2013 09:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Zombie WAC still has 7 schools even without NMSU, correct?

So maybe the SBC doesn't want NMSU in for all sports for other reasons... but they could bring them in and the ZWAC would still survive.

NMSU was in the SBC for all sports. It didn't work out very well. Great basketball program though.

Those were NMSU's best years in football. And I've never head old time Belt fans complain about the Raggies. I think it worked out just fine. When the bailed to the WAC it put the Belt in a bad spot, but that's a separate issue.

If UTA or UALR ever added football to put the Sun Belt at 13 in football, it would be easier for the Sun Belt to grab another Big Sky or even a Big West school to add for football only:

West - Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, UTA, Montana
East - Arkansas State, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, WKU (or their replacement)

(03-25-2013 08:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  well, good for idaho, they've been saved. where idaho and new mexico st put their oyher sports? WAC? BIG SKY?

Idaho already committed to the Big Sky for other sports and New Mexico St can stay in the new WAC. Good for both schools to know that their football has found a conference home.

so who's the 12th all sports member to make them 12/12 since WKU will be gone soon? JMU? Jacksonville St.? Missouri St.? Chattanooga? Lamar? Liberty? SHSU?

(03-25-2013 10:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UTA or UALR ever added football to put the Sun Belt at 13 in football, it would be easier for the Sun Belt to grab another Big Sky or even a Big West school to add for football only:

West - Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, UTA, Montana
East - Arkansas State, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, WKU (or their replacement)

Bingo.

What Benson is really doing with Idaho and NMSU is creating a small western flank that when they run out of viable eastern FCS schools he can turn his sights again to the West.

Who's next in line in the East? Liberty? Missouri State? Benson IS starting to run out of FBS options especially if JMU and schools north are off the table.

(03-25-2013 10:51 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 08:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  well, good for idaho, they've been saved. where idaho and new mexico st put their oyher sports? WAC? BIG SKY?

Idaho already committed to the Big Sky for other sports and New Mexico St can stay in the new WAC. Good for both schools to know that their football has found a conference home.

Let's say the following scenario plays out.....

A10 (adds Detroit)
Horizon (adds Oakland, IPFW)

That leaves the Summit down to Denver, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Omaha, Western Illinois and IPUPI. That is 7 schools. Does it make sense then for the Summit League to offer New Mexico State?

NMSU has made the NCAA tournament 20 times. Definitely a power mid major basketball school. For this reason they would be an excellent pickup for the Summit. They deserve so much better than to toil in the WAC.

(03-26-2013 12:29 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:51 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 08:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  well, good for idaho, they've been saved. where idaho and new mexico st put their oyher sports? WAC? BIG SKY?

Idaho already committed to the Big Sky for other sports and New Mexico St can stay in the new WAC. Good for both schools to know that their football has found a conference home.

Let's say the following scenario plays out.....

A10 (adds Detroit)
Horizon (adds Oakland, IPFW)

That leaves the Summit down to Denver, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Omaha, Western Illinois and IPUPI. That is 7 schools. Does it make sense then for the Summit League to offer New Mexico State?

NMSU has made the NCAA tournament 20 times. Definitely a power mid major basketball school. For this reason they would be an excellent pickup for the Summit. They deserve so much better than to toil in the WAC.

I think the Summit should add NMSU now but if Oakland leaves I'd say it becomes a very real possibility.

(03-26-2013 12:29 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:51 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 08:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  well, good for idaho, they've been saved. where idaho and new mexico st put their oyher sports? WAC? BIG SKY?

Idaho already committed to the Big Sky for other sports and New Mexico St can stay in the new WAC. Good for both schools to know that their football has found a conference home.

Let's say the following scenario plays out.....

A10 (adds Detroit)
Horizon (adds Oakland, IPFW)

That leaves the Summit down to Denver, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Omaha, Western Illinois and IPUPI. That is 7 schools. Does it make sense then for the Summit League to offer New Mexico State?

NMSU has made the NCAA tournament 20 times. Definitely a power mid major basketball school. For this reason they would be an excellent pickup for the Summit. They deserve so much better than to toil in the WAC.

Omaha is still in transition and won't be fully eligible for postseason play for a couple more years.

Idaho....dude seriously? How do you finally do the right thing and bring in two FCS powerhouse teams then turn around and invite Idaho.

Would have been better of inviting Sam Houston State or same random team like that.

(03-26-2013 12:03 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  so who's the 12th all sports member to make them 12/12 since WKU will be gone soon? JMU? Jacksonville St.? Missouri St.? Chattanooga? Lamar? Liberty? SHSU?

It's gonna be liberty. Can't wait!

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(03-26-2013 12:29 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:51 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 08:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  well, good for idaho, they've been saved. where idaho and new mexico st put their oyher sports? WAC? BIG SKY?

Idaho already committed to the Big Sky for other sports and New Mexico St can stay in the new WAC. Good for both schools to know that their football has found a conference home.

Let's say the following scenario plays out.....

A10 (adds Detroit)
Horizon (adds Oakland, IPFW)

That leaves the Summit down to Denver, NDSU, SDSU, USD, Omaha, Western Illinois and IPUPI. That is 7 schools. Does it make sense then for the Summit League to offer New Mexico State?

NMSU has made the NCAA tournament 20 times. Definitely a power mid major basketball school. For this reason they would be an excellent pickup for the Summit. They deserve so much better than to toil in the WAC.

So they're too good for the WAC and deserve the Summit? Lol. Silly take. NMSU isn't going to the Summit for petesake. The Summit is the league about to lose schools, the Summit pays less, and the tourney is in Sioux Falls. NMSU can play in Seattle, Phoenix, Kansas City, and California, or North and South Dakota. If NMSU was going to join the Summit, that would have happened already. What do you think, the Summit was waiting to extend an invite until they really needed NMSU?

There are like 10 different scenarios that involve the Summit losing one or more schools. There are none that I can think of that involve NMSU joining the Summit.

(03-26-2013 01:26 AM)CPslograd Wrote:  So they're too good for the WAC and deserve the Summit? Lol. Silly take. NMSU isn't going to the Summit for petesake. The Summit is the league about to lose schools, the Summit pays less, and the tourney is in Sioux Falls. NMSU can play in Seattle, Phoenix, Kansas City, and California, or North and South Dakota. If NMSU was going to join the Summit, that would have happened already. What do you think, the Summit was waiting to extend an invite until they really needed NMSU?

There are like 10 different scenarios that involve the Summit losing one or more schools. There are none that I can think of that involve NMSU joining the Summit.

Yep. The Summit lost Oral Roberts last year, and will lose UMKC next year. Oakland has a foot out the door. They do get Denver, however.

(03-26-2013 12:22 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UTA or UALR ever added football to put the Sun Belt at 13 in football, it would be easier for the Sun Belt to grab another Big Sky or even a Big West school to add for football only:

West - Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, UTA, Montana
East - Arkansas State, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, WKU (or their replacement)

Bingo.

What Benson is really doing with Idaho and NMSU is creating a small western flank that when they run out of viable eastern FCS schools he can turn his sights again to the West.

Who's next in line in the East? Liberty? Missouri State? Benson IS starting to run out of FBS options especially if JMU and schools north are off the table.

I agree. And Appalachian State and Georgia Southern moving up is going to put more pressure than ever on schools like Montana, Montana State and NDSU to take the FBS leap. The NMSU and Idaho additions set the stage for the Sun Belt to possibly eventually grow into something like this (assuming CUSA takes WKU to replace Tulsa):

East - Arkansas State, Lousiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Lafayette, South Alabama, Troy, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State

West - Texas State, New Mexico State*, Idaho*, Montana*, Montana State*, Sacramento State*, North Dakota State*, South Dakota State*

*Football-only member with olympic sports in the WAC

Karl Benson knows from hard experience that in the realignment game, more options are better than less. Establishing a beachhead in the heart of Big Sky country has the potential to multiply the Sun Belt's options.

(03-26-2013 02:22 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:22 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UTA or UALR ever added football to put the Sun Belt at 13 in football, it would be easier for the Sun Belt to grab another Big Sky or even a Big West school to add for football only:

West - Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, UTA, Montana
East - Arkansas State, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, WKU (or their replacement)

Bingo.

What Benson is really doing with Idaho and NMSU is creating a small western flank that when they run out of viable eastern FCS schools he can turn his sights again to the West.

Who's next in line in the East? Liberty? Missouri State? Benson IS starting to run out of FBS options especially if JMU and schools north are off the table.

I agree. And Appalachian State and Georgia Southern moving up is going to put more pressure than ever on schools like Montana, Montana State and NDSU to take the FBS leap. The NMSU and Idaho additions set the stage for the Sun Belt to possibly eventually grow into something like this (assuming CUSA takes WKU to replace Tulsa):

East - Arkansas State, Lousiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Lafayette, South Alabama, Troy, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State

West - Texas State, New Mexico State*, Idaho*, Montana*, Montana State*, Sacramento State*, North Dakota State*, South Dakota State*

*Football-only member with olympic sports in the WAC

Karl Benson knows from hard experience that in the realignment game, more options are better than less. Establishing a beachhead in the heart of Big Sky country has the potential to multiply the Sun Belt's options.

SBC has options w/o a western flank. JMU, Missouri St., Jacksonville St., Lamar, SHSU, Liberty, Chattanooga(new one I heard)

All of those western schools could have been in the WAC and saved the WAC but said na.

(03-26-2013 04:03 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:22 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:22 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If UTA or UALR ever added football to put the Sun Belt at 13 in football, it would be easier for the Sun Belt to grab another Big Sky or even a Big West school to add for football only:

West - Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM, UTA, Montana
East - Arkansas State, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, WKU (or their replacement)

Bingo.

What Benson is really doing with Idaho and NMSU is creating a small western flank that when they run out of viable eastern FCS schools he can turn his sights again to the West.

Who's next in line in the East? Liberty? Missouri State? Benson IS starting to run out of FBS options especially if JMU and schools north are off the table.

I agree. And Appalachian State and Georgia Southern moving up is going to put more pressure than ever on schools like Montana, Montana State and NDSU to take the FBS leap. The NMSU and Idaho additions set the stage for the Sun Belt to possibly eventually grow into something like this (assuming CUSA takes WKU to replace Tulsa):

East - Arkansas State, Lousiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Lafayette, South Alabama, Troy, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State

West - Texas State, New Mexico State*, Idaho*, Montana*, Montana State*, Sacramento State*, North Dakota State*, South Dakota State*

*Football-only member with olympic sports in the WAC

Karl Benson knows from hard experience that in the realignment game, more options are better than less. Establishing a beachhead in the heart of Big Sky country has the potential to multiply the Sun Belt's options.

SBC has options w/o a western flank. JMU, Missouri St., Jacksonville St., Lamar, SHSU, Liberty, Chattanooga(new one I heard)

All of those western schools could have been in the WAC and saved the WAC but said na.

Yes but if the SBC backfills WKU with Liberty and the MAC takes JMU/MSU the SBC is down to Jax St, Lamar and SHSU.

If Ark State and ULL get the call up to CUSA as well that starts to make things limited in the East for Benson.

(03-26-2013 01:02 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Idaho....dude seriously? How do you finally do the right thing and bring in two FCS powerhouse teams then turn around and invite Idaho.

Would have been better of inviting Sam Houston State or same random team like that.

Say goodbye to Ark. State and ULL.

If they're leaving, the SBC needed Idaho and NMSU to remain FBS. Without them, there would be too many FCS transitional teams for those in the conference to have an FBS slate of games. Idaho and NMSU were desperation moves to ensure survival.

(03-26-2013 01:02 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Idaho....dude seriously? How do you finally do the right thing and bring in two FCS powerhouse teams then turn around and invite Idaho.

Would have been better of inviting Sam Houston State or same random team like that.

Does SHSU want to move up, though? And it's just a FB-only move. Idaho and NMSU at least allow the SBC to move up a few more FCS schools. The SBC will need at least one more if WKU goes to CUSA as assumed. JMU? Liberty? Jacksonville St.?

Benson is talking about geographical divisions, so they are looking at an eastern team to replace WKU.
W-UTA, TX St., UALR, ARk. ST., ULL, ULM
E-USA, Troy, GSU and GSU, App St. + 1

If its a football school, I don't see anyone seriously talking about moving up except Jax St. and James Madison that would fit.

(03-26-2013 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  Benson is talking about geographical divisions, so they are looking at an eastern team to replace WKU.
W-UTA, TX St., UALR, ARk. ST., ULL, ULM
E-USA, Troy, GSU and GSU, App St. + 1

If its a football school, I don't see anyone seriously talking about moving up except Jax St. and James Madison that would fit.

Chattanooga probably makes the most sense here...bring them on for 2016. They are at least viable with a 21,000 seat stadium.

JMU expands the footprint too far north, IMO.

Proponents of the national hybrids seem to be living vicariously through this national SBC? Oh dear...

Why on Earth would they consider going past 12? Don't they have a western division as is like this? Idaho, NMSU, Tex St, LLU, LMU, Ark St?