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RE: David Teel reporting major A10 announcement Monday
GMU would have been in the A10 this year had the Big East not delayed Temple's entry for olympic sports by a year, so this move isn't exactly surprising. Siena is next. I've already explained in other threads why they're the next best option after GMU and there is no point to repeating myself. Davidson and CofC are the next two options after Siena. There has been communication between those schools and the A10, but nothing will happen with those two schools until the Big East invites teams eleven and twelve. BU, Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel are not serious candidates for the A10.
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RE: David Teel reporting major A10 announcement Monday
(03-24-2013 09:06 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  GMU would have been in the A10 this year had the Big East not delayed Temple's entry for olympic sports by a year, so this move isn't exactly surprising. Siena is next. I've already explained in other threads why they're the next best option after GMU and there is no point to repeating myself. Davidson and CofC are the next two options after Siena. There has been communication between those schools and the A10, but nothing will happen with those two schools until the Big East makes a decision about going to twelve. BU, Northeastern, Hofstra and Drexel are not serious candidates for the A10.

I don't see CoC without Davidson. I don't see any need to go beyond 12 teams. Or really the viability of Southern teams in the A-10. But that's just me.
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(03-24-2013 09:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see CoC without Davidson. I don't see any need to go beyond 12 teams. Or really the viability of Southern teams in the A-10. But that's just me.
They're a package deal if they join the A10. It's not a done deal by any means.
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The A-10 will still be a very solid conference. La Salle going to the Sweet 16.
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I would love to see Davidson in the A10. I don't think that it will happen, but it would be cool.
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If teh A10 wants to go west there are plenty of quality programs in the Horizon like Valpo & Wright State
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RE: David Teel reporting major A10 announcement Monday
(03-24-2013 07:11 PM)Falcon1407 Wrote:  The next add will tell who the A10 expects to lose. Adding a Midwestern school would seem that they think it will be SLU and Richmond or SLU and VCU to be gone.

Another East coast team and SLU and Dayton are gone.

If there was any chance SLU and Dayton were staying, the A10 wouldn't be adding George Mason. There are much better expansion targets out west if there was any hope the A10 could rebuild its western division. Note that George Mason would have finished 14th in the A10 in RPI this season. (Siena would have finished dead last by a large margin.) You don't rush to add struggling teams to the bottom of your conference if you think might do better taking the wait-and-see approach. The A10 isn't even bothering to wait until the end of the tournament. They have to know they're losing the remaining western teams to not wait one more week to see if a possible expansion candidate makes the Final Four.
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(03-24-2013 10:51 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  If teh A10 wants to go west there are plenty of quality programs in the Horizon like Valpo & Wright State

Wright State belongs in the Horizon League.

They should go along with its instate peers Cleveland State, Youngstown State and other commuter publics in the Horizon like IUPUI/IPFW.

I would not be surprised if the A10 threw a curve ball here and invited a school like Delaware into the league. I know they play 65 scholarship football but they bring a solid name.
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(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.
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(03-24-2013 11:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.

Ohio then went out and hired TCU's coach to be the new HC for twice as much money as the coach that left for Illinois....

Case in point though I do agree that programs on the rise need to fortify their programs with increasingly better coaching staffs.
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(03-24-2013 11:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.
VCU also, Grant, Cappel, now Smart
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(03-24-2013 11:55 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.
VCU also, Grant, Cappel, now Smart

Smart is the only coach to take VCU to the sweet 16 -- 2011 is VCU's only season with more than one win in the tournament.
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(03-24-2013 06:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 06:51 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  Washington Post is reporting this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

Colonial has been a jerk about schools leaving. They didn't allow Georgia St. to be eligible for the basketball championship. I don't recall any other league doing that. Georgia St. had a unique opportunity to move up in football so it wasn't like they were putting the league down by leaving. If there's any league that deserves the shaft in realignment, they are it. This is pretty short notice. There may be others.

It is in the bylaws. East Carolina experienced the same.
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(03-24-2013 11:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:55 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.
VCU also, Grant, Cappel, now Smart

Smart is the only coach to take VCU to the sweet 16 -- 2011 is VCU's only season with more than one win in the tournament.

I see, I thought we were talking about coveted coaches at midmajors the were getting to the tourney regularly. I just thought of Cappel and OU and Grant and Bama.
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(03-25-2013 12:15 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:55 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 11:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 08:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  They're called flash in the pans for a reason.

FGCU is the first 15-seed to make it to the sweet 16. Two 14-seeds have done it: Chattanooga in 1997 and Cleveland State in 1986. A few 13-seeds, and a lot of 12-seeds have done it. The biggest issue for the mid-majors that do it is that their coach almost always leaves for a better-paying job right away. Ohio was a 13-seed in the sweet 16 last year, and their coach took the Illinois job soon after the tournament.

To have staying power, a program has to prove that it can keep winning with the guy who replaces the first coach to take them to the sweet 16. Butler and Gonzaga have done that.
VCU also, Grant, Cappel, now Smart

Smart is the only coach to take VCU to the sweet 16 -- 2011 is VCU's only season with more than one win in the tournament.

I see, I thought we were talking about coveted coaches at midmajors the were getting to the tourney regularly. I just thought of Cappel and OU and Grant and Bama.

Yeah, VCU has shown that they can lose a coach without having their hoops program fall off a cliff.

They might not lose Smart this year, anyway -- UCLA is like an NBA job in that it's a place where you're hired to be fired. I suspect that the mention of considering "former NBA coaches" is real, and that UCLA has one or two of those in mind in case Smart says, "No, but thanks for helping me to get another contract renegotiation at VCU."
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(03-25-2013 02:20 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Yeah, VCU has shown that they can lose a coach without having their hoops program fall off a cliff.

It should be noted that the guy who created Villa 7 and made all these hires for VCU, former AD Norwood Teague, left to become the Minnesota AD last year. Without Villa 7 and without Norwood Teague, the chances of continuing this pattern of success in hiring are significantly weaker.
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As a George Mason graduate (along with Marshall!) I'm thrilled with this move. They should compete well in the A10. Go Patriots!
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(03-24-2013 06:49 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The loss of Temple, UNC-Charlotte, Butler and Xavier coupled with the addition of George Mason will put the A-10 at 13 members. With St. Louis and Dayton still potentially on the Big East radar screen, it would be prudent to add at least one more. Who would be up next?

Northeastern from the CAA.
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(03-25-2013 10:28 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  
(03-24-2013 06:49 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The loss of Temple, UNC-Charlotte, Butler and Xavier coupled with the addition of George Mason will put the A-10 at 13 members. With St. Louis and Dayton still potentially on the Big East radar screen, it would be prudent to add at least one more. Who would be up next?

Northeastern from the CAA.

That makes the most sense, at least from my perspective. But I'm hearing a lot of chatter about Siena and Hofstra. I think Davidson isn't really on the table either way.
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RE: David Teel reporting major A10 announcement Monday
Siena is next. The only question at this point is the timing of the announcement that they are joining.
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