toledobrad
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:24 PM)crusher38 Wrote: (03-24-2013 06:07 PM)toledobrad Wrote: (03-24-2013 06:05 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: West Virginia was winning at halftime. They played pretty well against a team that hasn't lost since December on that team's home court.
Also, UConn lost to Baylor by 6 and lost to Notre Dame by 1, 9 (in triple overtime), and 2. Yet you think those losses are worse than BG losing by 33 to a 12-loss MAC team?
Apparently he didn't see UConns 70 pt victory yesterday. When was the last time a Mac team did that?
you're making yourself look foolish by backing my point that a team who didnt win their conference got in despite losing very big games.
and like i said 'all teams started small once'
so uconn and delaware were once where toledo is now or worse
So, you're saying UT should be in over UConn?
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rockytop
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
I am saying UT lost at Dayton by 1, BG blew Dayton away. UD is a seven cede. How can Toledo not be good enough to play in the NCAA? The only logical answer is NCAA politics.
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flying dutchman
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:43 PM)rockytop Wrote: I am saying UT lost at Dayton by 1, BG blew Dayton away. UD is a seven cede. How can Toledo not be good enough to play in the NCAA? The only logical answer is NCAA politics.
Spot on just leave BG out of it.
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Rocket Pirate
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:43 PM)rockytop Wrote: I am saying UT lost at Dayton by 1, BG blew Dayton away. UD is a seven cede. How can Toledo not be good enough to play in the NCAA? The only logical answer is NCAA politics.
Of course politics plays into it. There are only two non-major conference at-large teams in the tournament. That's why mid- and low-major programs have to do everything possible to get in. If Toledo had given up one of the two pathetic home tournaments for two road games at major programs on their terms, then they probably would have made it as an at-large with only one MAC loss.
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flying dutchman
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
Don't forget politics driven by $$$$$$
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T-Town
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:43 PM)rockytop Wrote: I am saying UT lost at Dayton by 1, BG blew Dayton away. UD is a seven cede. How can Toledo not be good enough to play in the NCAA? The only logical answer is NCAA politics.
You could also argue that BG went 2-1 against the same two teams that UT went 1-3 against, but of course if the selection committee even looked at this stat it would have only been to support their conclusion that UT was undeserving of a bid. There is usually a lot of contradictory evidence out there and the selection committee has the advantage of picking and choosing which evidence supports the decision that they want to make.
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crusher38
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:48 PM)flying dutchman Wrote: (03-24-2013 06:43 PM)rockytop Wrote: I am saying UT lost at Dayton by 1, BG blew Dayton away. UD is a seven cede. How can Toledo not be good enough to play in the NCAA? The only logical answer is NCAA politics.
Spot on just leave BG out of it.
bg had a few 20 plus win seasons and this didnt just start either. back when fran miller was playing i think they had one.
politics have played a large part in UT not moving to the next level in football and not just that sport. they say "win" so they win and go undefeated for THREE years. then they say "hey play better teams" so they do, and they mop the floor with them.
and they still cant move to the next level.
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T-Town
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 06:48 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: Of course politics plays into it. There are only two non-major conference at-large teams in the tournament. That's why mid- and low-major programs have to do everything possible to get in. If Toledo had given up one of the two pathetic home tournaments for two road games at major programs on their terms, then they probably would have made it as an at-large with only one MAC loss.
The selection guidelines are vague enough to give selection committee enough discretion to do whatever they want regarding bubble teams and still be able to justify it. The NCAA could change the guidelines to make them more quantitative if they wanted too, but they evidently like to keep them subjective. I am assuming that your quote of 2 at-large mid-majors is for the 2012-2013 tournament, because that is also exactly the number from last year--that is 2 of the 33 at-large bids go to mid majors while 31 of the 33 go to the power conferences.
Don't be fooled by the reasons a selection committee may have used to justify a decision to include or exclude any specific team. In the 2010-2011 season the Lady Rockets lost a total of 8 games and 3 of those losses came on the road at Purdue, at Northwestern and at Dayton; they also had a win against Indiana at Savage-----but guess what? No at-large bid showed up.....and it won't unless you win those games on the road which is difficult to do against good teams---and even if you do win them you are probably competing with 200 or so other mid major schools for one of 2-3 at-large bids that are typically available.
As I have said many times before, if you are a mid-major and you want to go to the NCAA, you have to win your tournament.
(This post was last modified: 03-24-2013 08:48 PM by T-Town.)
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MidnightBlueGold
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RE: is the ncaa tourney (mens and womens) staged?
(03-24-2013 08:38 PM)T-Town Wrote: Don't be fooled by the reasons a selection committee may have used to justify a decision to include or exclude any specific team. In the 2010-2011 season the Lady Rockets lost a total of 8 games and 3 of those losses came on the road at Purdue, at Northwestern and at Dayton; they also had a win against Indiana at Savage-----but guess what? No at-large bid showed up.....and it won't unless you win those games on the road which is difficult to do against good teams---and even if you do win them you are probably competing with 200 or so other mid major schools for one of 2-3 at-large bids that are typically available.
As I have said many times before, if you are a mid-major and you want to go to the NCAA, you have to win your tournament.
And we also lost to 24-11 Missouri St., 21-12 Cleveland St., 24-13 EMU, and 20-11 CMU (and 13-17 NIU). So the teams we lost to were a combined 163-102 (avg of 20.4-12.8), or 150-85 (avg of 21.4-12.1) if you take out the 1 bad loss vs. 13-17 NIU. So UT gets punished for playing, and losing, to good teams. But this year, 17-13 Kansas & WVU played and lost to good teams, but they get in to the tournament. Now THAT is a double standard.
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