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Looks like every other cheerleading squad to me.

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston
Lamar

What do you think?

I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans? Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston
Lamar

What do you think?

No to LU and Idaho. We should just take 3.

The Sun Belt isn't going to 12. New Mexico State, Appalachian and Georgia Southern will be added within days. If the need is seen to go to 12, I'd think that it would be Jacksonville State and either Idaho or Liberty.

The problem with going to 12 now is that, beyond the three obvious choices, there aren't a lot of choices available that are ready to join FBS now or are palatable from geographic or desirability considerations.

I dont think either Missouri State or James Madison is ready to sell FBS football and the costs that go with it at this moment. I think that's incredibly short sighted, but that's the sense I get. I think both may get a chance to join the Sun Belt later IF and only if more spaces become available. In other words, they are risking languishing in FCS for a decade or so if they pass up an opportunity should one come.

Sam Houston, Chattanooga, Murray State, Illinois State, etc., are not ready NOW in terms of finances or facilities. They would need to commit a large sum of money to make the move and do so very quickly. I don't see any of these choices as feasible for immediate consideration.

Delaware and Towson would, once successful, immediately be attractive to other leagues so I don't see either of them as desirable from the Sun Belt's perspective.

That leaves taking two of the following three by my estimation: Jacksonville State, Idaho, and Liberty. All of which have serious problems. Jacksonville State and Idaho (for football only) would be the better choices.

The best choice of all would be to wait and let more palatable and attractive candidates become available.

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston
Lamar

What do you think?

I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans? Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people human rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

App St, Ga Southern, Missouri St, NMSU, FGCU.

Jax St. Would be a great addition for all sports. All of our other sports would be competitive now. Bball is on the way up now under coach green and we are in the process of renovating the Pete with considerable interest in building a new arena altogether. The only sport we wouldn't currently be competitive in is Wbb. No need for football only.

(03-24-2013 10:41 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Jax St. Would be a great addition for all sports. All of our other sports would be competitive now. Bball is on the way up now under coach green and we are in the process of renovating the Pete with considerable interest in building a new arena altogether. The only sport we wouldn't currently be competitive in is Wbb. No need for football only.

I don't doubt Jacksonville State would want to join and they are ready (FBS ready stadium) and willing now. The necessary money would come from raised student fees presumably. I wouldn't think the Sun Belt would invite a team within its footprint for football only either. I'm not sure JSU would be as good as other FCS additions long term though. JSU has a great atmosphere, but there are issues with small enrollment (compared to other potential FCS upgrade candidates), basketball facilities and spending on the bb program, media market, and saturation of FBS programs in Alabama to consider. These aren't insurmountable obstacles but there are other potential FCS upgrades that don't face the same obstacles. I think you'd be great for attendance and rivalry with Troy.

I think the best hope for JSU is that the Sun Belt decides to go to 12 right now. If the Belt does decide to go that route, I think JSU has a legitimate shot of heading to FBS within two years. JSU could come out being a huge and unquestionable winner in this round of realignment. I dont think it will happen at this time though.

(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston
Lamar

What do you think?

I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans? Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people human rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

This just proves you're behind the times about libertys administration. Jerry Sr was all about politics,his son and chancellor and president of liberty has stated on national tv he is trying to separate liberty from political issues unlike his father. Now, most people point to our law school dean as the big problem because he does get involved in hot topic issues. However the administration stays out of that arena.


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(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston

Lamar

What do you think?

I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious

F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans?

Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already

called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people hu
rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

The odds are most educational institutions try to influence the wider community and press their views on others that don't share their views. And there are as many lemmings in secular universities as there are in religious universities. When it comes to education & politics universities count it an honor to have one of their alumni elected as POTUS.

(03-25-2013 12:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  My predictions:

App St.
Georgia Southern
Liberty
NMSU
Idaho (football only)

Other options:

JMU
Sam Houston

Lamar

What do you think?

I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious

F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans?

Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already

called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people hu
rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

The odds are most educational institutions try to influence the wider community and press their views on others that don't share their views. And there are as many lemmings in secular universities as there are in religious universities. When it comes to education & politics universities count it an honor to have one of their alumni elected as POTUS.

All of them do. Just that most are on the left and intolerant of differing views instead of the right. Which is odd since the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you.

Man, I'm sorry I took a break from this craziness for a few days. I missed Tom's rant.

Folks, the good news is that as this process comes down to a decision, those that actually get to decide will surely come to Lynchburg and Visit LU. They will have a chance to see the University with their own eyes and see how things currently are. They will not have to live in the past as many on here seem to want to. They will see This sprawling, growing, vibrant campus. They will meet a lot of great, NORMAL people. They will see a commitment to Academics and Athletics that is high and on the move. Like it or not, Liberty will be a factor in realignment. It may not be SBC in the end, but LU will be FBS in the short term.

By the way, any of of you folks are absolutely welcome to visit and see LU in the here and now. As coach Gill says, once a recruit comes to campus and sees it for them self, they are hooked. A lot of the Big South fans "refused" to come to our campus when we first joined. But when they finally decided to come for a game, they loved it here and found it "surprisingly normal".

(03-25-2013 07:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I will never support such a phony institution such as Liberty. I'm not alone. They aren't a real college. They discriminate. They apparently are the private property of a family. Their football stinks. Their coach is a loser, but he is a sanctamonious

F"C"A blowhard. Liberty is involved in shocking human rights abuse advocacy. They aren't interested in competing, but rather as using my conference as a platform to preach AT people. If they get in the confernce, be prepared for them to demand that we all be adhere to their talibanic demands.

And can you just imagine the epic game day experience at Liberty for visiting fans?

Abuse of non-Christians, no alcohol, and can you imagine all the hotness of perhaps catching a glimpse of some "hot ankle" on the fundamentalist coeds?

I thank God that the fundamentalist Gottfrieds are gone from USA. I've already

called the alumni office and have let them know that if anyone in the AD at USA supports the inclusion of Liberty, that my Jaguar donations will end immediately and will not be reinstated until Liberty drops football.

Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people hu
rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

The odds are most educational institutions try to influence the wider community and press their views on others that don't share their views. And there are as many lemmings in secular universities as there are in religious universities. When it comes to education & politics universities count it an honor to have one of their alumni elected as POTUS.

All of them do. Just that most are on the left and intolerant of differing views instead of the right. Which is odd since the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you.

Have Your Cake And Eat It Too?
And that is why liberty only recognizes republicans on campus? Does not validate your statement "the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you"

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...crats-club

(03-25-2013 09:38 AM)redfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 07:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:15 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Are they full of hate too?

I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people hu
rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

The odds are most educational institutions try to influence the wider community and press their views on others that don't share their views. And there are as many lemmings in secular universities as there are in religious universities. When it comes to education & politics universities count it an honor to have one of their alumni elected as POTUS.

All of them do. Just that most are on the left and intolerant of differing views instead of the right. Which is odd since the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you.

Have Your Cake And Eat It Too?
And that is why liberty only recognizes republicans on campus? Does not validate your statement "the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you"

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...crats-club

By the way they have since disbanded the republican version as well making both non liberty sanctioned groups.. old news

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Again, another example of folks wanting to latch onto old news re LU.

(03-25-2013 10:30 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:38 AM)redfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 07:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:21 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  I'll let you be the judge of that. It's not full of hate to point out that an administration (not one isolated weird leftist professor-the administration of the school) has consistently played politics and actively works to deny people hu
rights and dignity and to outlaw same. And tries to influence the wider community to enforce their own religious doctrine as law on those they know dont share their beliefs. I might not use the same language as the poster and acknowledge that I dont think that Liberty's students are necessarily in agreement with their administration (some may agree, some may be interested in other things, some may have parents who will only pay for college if they go to Liberty, etc.), but it is perfectly acceptable to be in opposition to association with an institution that has an administration that behaves in this manner.

The odds are most educational institutions try to influence the wider community and press their views on others that don't share their views. And there are as many lemmings in secular universities as there are in religious universities. When it comes to education & politics universities count it an honor to have one of their alumni elected as POTUS.

All of them do. Just that most are on the left and intolerant of differing views instead of the right. Which is odd since the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you.

Have Your Cake And Eat It Too?
And that is why liberty only recognizes republicans on campus? Does not validate your statement "the exchange of differing points of view is the essence of higher education, not shouting down those who disagree with you"

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-...crats-club

By the way they have since disbanded the republican version as well making both non liberty sanctioned groups.. old news

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Then they have wronged twice.

"It is more honorable to repair a wrong than persist in it."
Thomas Jefferson

I'm sure you guys can go ask some of the fans who have visited LU and experienced it first hand in the past 10 years they will tell you its a whole lot different than many on this board believe it to be.

-Long time lurker first time poster. but no stranger to message boards.

(03-25-2013 11:45 AM)LUGSUMU Wrote:  I'm sure you guys can go ask some of the fans who have visited LU and experienced it first hand in the past 10 years they will tell you its a whole lot different than many on this board believe it to be.

-Long time lurker first time poster. but no stranger to message boards.

Exactly! People are clinging to issues they had with Liberty from long ago. Stop by and see us. Let me know and I'll take you for a campus tour.

Strong rumors right now that App State and Georgia Southern will be announcing a SBC move on Wednesday.

Edit: Didn't see this thread here: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=626378

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/geogia-state-...expansion/

This guy was predicting this a couple weeks ago. And he expects NMSU for football only.

(03-25-2013 05:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/geogia-state-...expansion/

This guy was predicting this a couple weeks ago. And he expects NMSU for football only.

Yeah, I saw on Twitter (I know) to expect NMSU and Idaho as football only members. Hot Karl takes care of his own.