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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
(03-20-2013 03:20 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:45 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:28 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  This thread is worthless w/o pictures -- to break up all the wordiness of the original post...
Maybe this would be a good time to repost those old pics of the Time Square announcements for the new teams...04-rock

This place was more fun when pictures of hot girls were in everybody's signature lines. I still have dreams about that UCF girl.

The blonde, or the brunette with the body paint?
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
(03-20-2013 12:08 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First off, the fact fans didn't know about the Navy deal has nothing to do with a failure by NBE. They simply are letting navy fulfill a former contract agreement, which is to the NBE advantage as of today. The ESPN $$$ will be split 11 ways rather than 12. 22 mil divided 11 ways is 2 mil per school.

The original schools going to BE were going to a different conf than what we ended up with. S happens. As for bowls, with Rutgers, Louisville, gone you couldn't expect to keep all of those bowls, even with them the BE would have lost some of them.

In the end the current group along with Tulsa, and Navy in 2015 will still be the best of the rest, with better TV deal, and bowls than CUSA or the MWC.

You are right that USF ans UCF do not have the state wide appeal of UF, of course no one else does either, FSU is a distant #2, and UM an even more distant #3 if they are still #3 in fl.

I give you credit in having the ability to keep smoking the Tall grass, and maintaining a total fixation on the NBE.
Tallgrass isn't the only person who is questioning the nBe, or whatever you're going to call it...

Deal hinges on no more exits

If 2 more schools leave, you can kiss the TV contract goodbye...
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
(03-20-2013 04:07 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 03:20 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:45 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:28 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  This thread is worthless w/o pictures -- to break up all the wordiness of the original post...
Maybe this would be a good time to repost those old pics of the Time Square announcements for the new teams...04-rock
This place was more fun when pictures of hot girls were in everybody's signature lines. I still have dreams about that UCF girl.
The blonde, or the brunette with the body paint?
The one with the body paint. I lost my train of thought many times because of her.
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Tallgrass reminds me of the guy that keeps saying the emperor has no clothes and all the peasants just can't accept the truth. I salute you Tallgrass for not caving to all the peasants.
03-20-2013 06:29 PM
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This guy is a clown. Reading these posts are more tedious than reading names out of the phone book.
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(03-20-2013 06:29 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  Tallgrass reminds me of the guy that keeps saying the emperor has no clothes and all the peasants just can't accept the truth. I salute you Tallgrass for not caving to all the peasants.

You sound jealous.
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
At some point reality is going to set in....The no name conference simply has nothing in the form of a Flagship FB program to carry the banner. Basketball carries harldy any weight anymore and that's just the plain truth.

The no name conference isn't worth anymore that what the deal is for. If it was the deal would have been better and a bidding process would have been with everyone after it, because it would have added true value to the flagship sports stations.

Has anyone ever heard of a Cost Benefit Analysis, Value Added, Sales and Marketing, Focus Groups, Brand Awareness, Brand Equity, and Market Research? These TV partners know what the no name conference is worth because they have ALL the relevant information.

Internet message boarads and second rate bloggers do not....the message board experts like to have the old ego stroked and the bloggers are allover so many message boards for what? to drive traffic to the blog site.


Now before anyone dismisses this just keep in mind that almost 100% of everything related to, posted, and blogged about the Big East over the past 1 1/2 year has BEEN FLAT OUT WRONG. Let me repeat that again, ALMOST 100%.

The most outrageous of all was the BS about 15 million per school or possibly even exceeding the ACC/ESPN contract...remember that one? That was with Louisville, Rutgers, Boise State, and SDSU. How many people beleieve that was the case? Just run the numbers for yourself......that's like saying these four are as valuable as Alabama, run the numbers and see.

The deal that was rumored on the message boards, add back in those four and bump it up to 15 to 17 million per school. So we go from 200 million per year to 20...yeah right. I guess Louisville, Rutgers, Boise State, SDSU, and the C7 alone were worth 180 million per season....that was TOTAL BS because those four and the C7 simply do not add that kind of value...In Fact they aren't going to add that kind of value outside of the Big East when they are back in their old or new conferences, not accordingy to the numbers.
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03-21-2013 08:04 AM
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
(03-20-2013 04:20 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 12:08 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First off, the fact fans didn't know about the Navy deal has nothing to do with a failure by NBE. They simply are letting navy fulfill a former contract agreement, which is to the NBE advantage as of today. The ESPN $$$ will be split 11 ways rather than 12. 22 mil divided 11 ways is 2 mil per school.

The original schools going to BE were going to a different conf than what we ended up with. S happens. As for bowls, with Rutgers, Louisville, gone you couldn't expect to keep all of those bowls, even with them the BE would have lost some of them.

In the end the current group along with Tulsa, and Navy in 2015 will still be the best of the rest, with better TV deal, and bowls than CUSA or the MWC.

You are right that USF ans UCF do not have the state wide appeal of UF, of course no one else does either, FSU is a distant #2, and UM an even more distant #3 if they are still #3 in fl.

I give you credit in having the ability to keep smoking the Tall grass, and maintaining a total fixation on the NBE.
Tallgrass isn't the only person who is questioning the nBe, or whatever you're going to call it...

Deal hinges on no more exits

If 2 more schools leave, you can kiss the TV contract goodbye...

At this point who cares. The deal is terrible and if 2 leave and they kill it then the league can probably go sign with NBC again for a little less money but less mid week games. This deal gets worse and worse with each detail that gets released. It's for trash money, it's going to be unbelievably mid week heavy, and can be canceled if the wrong 2 teams leave. There are some that continue to defend Aresco, but he is the worst commissioner in the country. How he still has a job is mind boggling.
03-21-2013 08:13 AM
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
I've posted this several times: if you're playing around with numbers, and you're getting results that seem to indicate that teams should turn down an invitation to a better conference, your numbers are wrong. I think this is good advice for anyone involved in this, fan or decision-maker. Schools vote with their feet. Rats flee a sinking ship. No slick-looking calculation or. XLS file will convince them to turn around and go back on board, and that's as it should be.

If you want specifics, I'll tell you that the two biggest errors I see people like Tallgrass make are 1) overestimating the size/immediacy of exit and entry fees and 2) failing to look far enough into the future.
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RE: Why did Nbe invitees and Arseco ignore known data?
The reason Tulane/UCF/Houston/SMU/Memphis/ECU are leaving has little to do with money - and more to do with posturing for future moves.

Schools like Tulane, Temple, and Houston are currently in the process of dumping a LOT of money into their once-neglected athletic programs. They are investing money in order to improve upon the athletic profile of their universities and compete at an elevated level.

While I don't exactly buy that Houston and Tulane have a similar university profile (they don't), what they do share for the time being is a desire to be around schools that are also willing to pour investment into their product to make it better. It's the only reason we're all together - and some would say that it's a damn good reason to team up. I'm not so sure myself that this is the right idea, but that's the rationale behind all of these moves.
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