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Best free entertainment on the net...check out Musketeer Madness. They've gone from perenially denigrating the "Big Least" to being conspiracy theorists as to why ESPN hosts are lamenting the end of the era @ MSG and diminishing the worth of the new Big East. One X contributor even made reference to, "...now that we're in a BCS conference." Simply hilarious. The Big East is no more. Yes, X is in a marginally better conference. And I suspect we won't be seeing much of them on ESPN with their Fox TV deal.
 
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They're in the Big Priest Conference. Not the Big East. They'll never know what it was like to play in the greatest B-ball conference ever.

I hope a team from the Big East wins it all this year.

In the past 15 years the conference breakdown for National Champion goes like this:
ACC - 5
Duke - 2001, 2010
UNC - 2005, 2009
Maryland - 2002

Big East - 4
UConn - 1999, 2004, 2011
Syracuse - 2003

SEC - 4
UK - 1998, 2012
Florida - 2006, 2007

Big Ten - 1
Michigan State - 2000

Big 12 - 1
Kansas - 2008

Big Ten is always overrated. PAC-10 is too. Gee, where's the A-10???? LOL.
 
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I love the misery they and uk fans are feeling this week.
 
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There doesn't seem to be much talk on here about Eggzavier celebrating their conference move today.

It's a little depressing but I honestly don't know how good their new conference will be really.
 
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(03-20-2013 12:57 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  There doesn't seem to be much talk on here about Eggzavier celebrating their conference move today.

It's a little depressing but I honestly don't know how good their new conference will be really.

It will be better than the A-10. It won't be the same though.
When you lose Cuse, Pitt, UConn, UC, Louisville and then
ESPN isn't covering your tourney it loses some of the shine
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/b...Basketball

Quote:'New' Big East announces additional teams, MSG to remain tournament host
By ANTHONY SULLA-HEFFINGER

Welcome to the New Big East.

The historic basketball conference officially announced that it would be expanding to 10 teams by accepting three new members, Butler, Creighton and Xavier, to join what was being referred to as the “Catholic 7.”

“Today we re-launch the Big East,” Providence College president Fr. Brian Shanley said. “In building upon our firm traditions of spirited competition, intense rivalries and high achievement in intercollegiate sports, the Big East will continue to be a source of tremendous excitement.”

In addition to the new members, the conference will be keeping the Big East name and Madison Square Garden as the site of its conference tournament.



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St. John's and its Big East brethren will add Creighton, Butler and Xavier to its new conference.

Seven of the original Big East members, DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s and Villanova will continue the basketball-rich tradition that started in 1979, adding Butler and Xavier, who will be leaving the Atlantic 10, and Creighton, which will be leaving the Missouri Valley Conference.

“I am especially honored to be here today because what we relaunch today is really the culmination of the work of [Former Big East commissioner] Dave Gavitt,” Shanley said.

“We used the same [criteria for expansion] as when the conference was founded way back when. We came to the conclusion that [Butler, Xavier and Creighton] were the best possible schools we could ask to join us.”

Butler, the only non-Catholic university in the new Big East, joined the Atlantic 10 prior to this season.

Despite rumors that the Big East would also look to add Dayton and St. Louis to its ranks, the conference will remain 10 teams through the 2013-14 season at the very least.

“We have discussed actively a number of schools that are really strong potential partners for us,” Shanley said. “We also believe that the landscape of college sports has not stopped morphing and there may be more movement. For now, we are very happy at 10.”

The Big East also officially announced that it will keep its conference tournament at Madison Square Garden, where it has been held since 1983.

“We are pleased to announce the continuation of a long and happy marriage with Madison Square Garden,” Shanley said. “There’s nothing like Madison Square Garden and the Big East tournament. The Garden is the temple of basketball, there is no better place to watch basketball.”

The new Big East will differ from the previous incarnation in the sense that it will be a basketball-centric conference. The original members of the Big East schools had attempted to accommodate its football members over the 30-year history, adding members such as Rutgers, West Virginia, Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College.

The conference was able to withstand the departures of Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech ten years ago but when Notre Dame, Louisville and Rutgers all announced they would be leaving during a three-month period in 2012, a move needed to be made.

“We had lost three members,” Georgetown president Dr. John DiGioia said. “We were really trying to wrestle with what was the long term future for us. The logic that had held us together [previously] was the sense that we would be stronger as basketball programs if we were affiliated with other basketball programs that accommodated football, and that dynamic was coming apart in the fall.”

“Our decision to separate from the football schools was based on a feeling that the [seven former Big East schools] football-basketball model was unstable,” Shanley said. “We were looking for stability.”

The conference also announced a 12-year multi-platform media partnership with the newly announced Fox Sports 1 network, which will broadcast more than 100 men’s regular season basketball games and will carry the Big East Tournament each March.

DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s and Villanova, and then Xavier, Butler and Creighton.

5 of those teams made the NCAA Tournament this season, as opposed to the annual 7 or 8 Big East teams that typically make it.

I could see Xavier really struggling in that conference. Because you know Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova and Butler aren't going to drop off. As much as I hate Lavin and think his teams underachieve yearly. He will get the talent to have a better chance of succeeding in that conference.

I can see them getting 4 or 5 bids per year. It will be harder to get those topnotch rpi's in that conference as opposed to the current Big East.

Current Big East 2013 rpi's as of 3-20-13 (taken from Yahoo):
3. Louisville
11. Georgetown
12. Marquette
14. Syracuse
35. Notre Dame
43. Pittsburgh
49. UConn
50. Cincinnati
52. Villanova
90. Providence
94. St. Johns
110. Rutgers
138. Seton Hall
155. South Florida
203. DePaul

New Big East - 2013 rpi's:
11. Georgetown
12. Marquette
22. Butler
25. Creighton
52. Villanova
87. Xavier
90. Providence
94. St. Johns
138. Seton Hall
203. DePaul

I'm not going to bother posting the 2013 rpi's for the 2014 version of the new America 12 Conference. For b-ball, it's awful.

The likely destination for UC is the ACC. Here are the rpi's currently for ACC members who would be there in 2014 (minus Maryland going to the Big 10, Clemson and Florida State defecting to the SEC)(add Pitt, Syracuse, ND, Louisville, UConn and hopefully Cincinnati):


1. Duke
3. Louisville
4. Miami (FL)
14. Syracuse
17. North Carolina
33. NC State
35. Notre Dame
43. Pittsburgh
49. UConn
50. Cincinnati
76. Virginia
111. Boston College
149. Georgia Tech
170. Wake Forest
176. Virginia Tech

10 teams in the top 50 of the rpi. I know that wouldn't hold up, but tradition-wise it shows you how good that conference would be in b-ball. It would be better than the current Big East if the teams listed above made up the conference. It would be 15 teams. And of course, Notre Dame wouldn't play in football.
 
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Chatter's post #2 is a terrific summary. For 15 years (or more) the power has resided in the top six conferences; representing the "old" BE: Syracuse and UCONN winning it all four of those years. X definitely improved their station in life, but anyone who believes that conference is THE Big East is clueless. Let's not underestimate ESPN's ability to marginalize the new BE on SportsCenter and in new media. I could argue that the top four in UC's new conference will be as good as the top four in the NBE and will get much more love on ESPN.
 
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(03-20-2013 02:39 PM)indycat Wrote:  Chatter's post #2 is a terrific summary. For 15 years (or more) the power has resided in the top six conferences; representing the "old" BE: Syracuse and UCONN winning it all four of those years. X definitely improved their station in life, but anyone who believes that conference is THE Big East is clueless. Let's not underestimate ESPN's ability to marginalize the new BE on SportsCenter and in new media. I could argue that the top four in UC's new conference will be as good as the top four in the NBE and will get much more love on ESPN.

Oh yeah that will happen. The ACC-Big East merger is the new ultimate power conference.
 
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As much as I hate ESPN, and think it's bad for sports, especially college sports, I want to be in whatever conference they're behind. If it's the ACC, lets get there.
 
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Man, is the local media ever going overboard with the XU new conference. Gimme a break.
 
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(03-20-2013 05:04 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Man, is the local media ever going overboard with the XU new conference. Gimme a break.

I decided to not watch the news or listen to any sports talk shows today.

Let them have their moment in the sun. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
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I'm a big Mo Egger fan. He is a huge UC fan, as he obviously works on their b-ball and f-ball sports productions for radio.

But he chastised UC today for lacking a plan and gave credit to Xavier for having a plan. Many people will disagree, but I kind of agree with him.

I don't understand why UC has been left behind considering the success of the football and b-ball program. UC has dominated the Big East in football the last 5 years or so. And now the b-ball team has made the NCAA Tournament 3 consecutive years in a row. I assume it's about facilities, locality, fanbase, etc. If it's about football, UC should not be left out. Pitt and Syracuse have been major disappointments in football for a long time. Louisville has been up and down. UC has been pretty consistently good. If it's about b-ball, I can see why Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville were picked ahead of UC. But it's not like UC would be a drain on the ACC. I mean, look at UC compared to BC, GT, VT, Virginia in b-ball. UC has been much better than those bottomfeeders.

Headscratcher for me. I look at that ACC conference I put together, and in terms of b-ball, it surpasses the current Big East. I'd love to see it.
 
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(03-21-2013 06:30 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I'm a big Mo Egger fan. He is a huge UC fan, as he obviously works on their b-ball and f-ball sports productions for radio.

But he chastised UC today for lacking a plan and gave credit to Xavier for having a plan. Many people will disagree, but I kind of agree with him.

I don't understand why UC has been left behind considering the success of the football and b-ball program. UC has dominated the Big East in football the last 5 years or so. And now the b-ball team has made the NCAA Tournament 3 consecutive years in a row. I assume it's about facilities, locality, fanbase, etc. If it's about football, UC should not be left out. Pitt and Syracuse have been major disappointments in football for a long time. Louisville has been up and down. UC has been pretty consistently good. If it's about b-ball, I can see why Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville were picked ahead of UC. But it's not like UC would be a drain on the ACC. I mean, look at UC compared to BC, GT, VT, Virginia in b-ball. UC has been much better than those bottomfeeders.

Headscratcher for me. I look at that ACC conference I put together, and in terms of b-ball, it surpasses the current Big East. I'd love to see it.

I like Mo too but I have to disagree with him on this one. Louisville was clearly the top pick in the last round. They have the largest athletic budget of any non-power five, beautiful new facilities and truly compete at the highest level on the field and court. That is what it is.
UC has had extraordinary success in football and has been solid in basketball but competes with major league sports for resources and fan interest in this market. Did President Williams set UC back with blind allegiance to the Big East? It would appear that way, although many believed that realignment was mostly over when he charted that course. UC is doing the right things today and stands at the top of the list for "next in" from what we're hearing. Unless T. Boone Pickens shows up, you have to cultivate donor support over a long period of time. UC has responded well to a rapidly changing environment but there's no magic bullet out there, especially during a recession, to pump in tens of millions of dollars that simply aren't there from any source. That said, all UC really needs to move up is more conference shifting. You can't force that and you can't spend your way into a new conference. So what else did Mo expect UC to do?
 
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If you recall how giddy it was around here when we were invited into the BEast, then you will have an idea of how Xavier feels. All of a sudden, whether we like it or not, whether it is for a short time or a long time, WE ARE LITTLE BROTHER. Our conference sucks and theirs doesn't. Don't blame them for their ecstasy. Our time will come again (soon, I hope, please Jesus!).
 
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(03-21-2013 07:20 AM)indycat Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 06:30 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I'm a big Mo Egger fan. He is a huge UC fan, as he obviously works on their b-ball and f-ball sports productions for radio.

But he chastised UC today for lacking a plan and gave credit to Xavier for having a plan. Many people will disagree, but I kind of agree with him.

I don't understand why UC has been left behind considering the success of the football and b-ball program. UC has dominated the Big East in football the last 5 years or so. And now the b-ball team has made the NCAA Tournament 3 consecutive years in a row. I assume it's about facilities, locality, fanbase, etc. If it's about football, UC should not be left out. Pitt and Syracuse have been major disappointments in football for a long time. Louisville has been up and down. UC has been pretty consistently good. If it's about b-ball, I can see why Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville were picked ahead of UC. But it's not like UC would be a drain on the ACC. I mean, look at UC compared to BC, GT, VT, Virginia in b-ball. UC has been much better than those bottomfeeders.

Headscratcher for me. I look at that ACC conference I put together, and in terms of b-ball, it surpasses the current Big East. I'd love to see it.

I like Mo too but I have to disagree with him on this one. Louisville was clearly the top pick in the last round. They have the largest athletic budget of any non-power five, beautiful new facilities and truly compete at the highest level on the field and court. That is what it is.
UC has had extraordinary success in football and has been solid in basketball but competes with major league sports for resources and fan interest in this market. Did President Williams set UC back with blind allegiance to the Big East? It would appear that way, although many believed that realignment was mostly over when he charted that course. UC is doing the right things today and stands at the top of the list for "next in" from what we're hearing. Unless T. Boone Pickens shows up, you have to cultivate donor support over a long period of time. UC has responded well to a rapidly changing environment but there's no magic bullet out there, especially during a recession, to pump in tens of millions of dollars that simply aren't there from any source. That said, all UC really needs to move up is more conference shifting. You can't force that and you can't spend your way into a new conference. So what else did Mo expect UC to do?

I heard Mo yesterday. UC could have spent 200 Million on Nippert and 5/3 years ago, doesn't matter. Rutgers-Maryland were still going to the BIG. Louisville was still going to go to the ACC ahead of UC with no competition from pro teams and having Yum and Papa Johns. ESPN wanted Cuse and Pitt to the ACC. Look at Houston (similar University as UC) they are building a brand new stadium and still have not moved up since they were left out of the Big 8 - SWC merger way back in the 90's.

Since entering the Big East all UC does is Win, in football and BBall.
If OSU was in Indianapolis UC would probably already be in the BIG.
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I thought this comment on one of the Enquirer Eggzavier stories was interesting .

"But if you were to walk into our gymnasium or Nippert, and you didnt know what year it was, you would be hard pressed to tell if it was 2005 or 2013." (2005 being when UC joined the Big East).

It shows that despite being in the Big East, UC did nothing or very little to Nippert and 5/3. They can't get those years back.
 
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(03-21-2013 09:56 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I thought this comment on one of the Enquirer Eggzavier stories was interesting .

"But if you were to walk into our gymnasium or Nippert, and you didnt know what year it was, you would be hard pressed to tell if it was 2005 or 2013." (2005 being when UC joined the Big East).

It shows that despite being in the Big East, UC did nothing or very little to Nippert and 5/3. They can't get those years back.

nobody complained about the shoe when huggins was here. well maybe they did, but that wasn't an important factor. the fact we were winning was paramount. huggins set the bar pretty high. i wonder what the shoe's numbers were post the final four year. and why are arenas and stadiums such a big deal (esp basketball)? on a scale of 1-10, how important are arenas (if you want to upgrade into another conference)?
 
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Louisville's ratings average in football was twice that of UC. That is why they went... worth a lot more money to the TV. UC has about a 50% increase in ratings over UConn football, however, so UC is probably the first choice for the ACC for that reason.
 
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(03-21-2013 11:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 09:56 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I thought this comment on one of the Enquirer Eggzavier stories was interesting .

"But if you were to walk into our gymnasium or Nippert, and you didnt know what year it was, you would be hard pressed to tell if it was 2005 or 2013." (2005 being when UC joined the Big East).

It shows that despite being in the Big East, UC did nothing or very little to Nippert and 5/3. They can't get those years back.

nobody complained about the shoe when huggins was here. well maybe they did, but that wasn't an important factor. the fact we were winning was paramount. huggins set the bar pretty high. i wonder what the shoe's numbers were post the final four year. and why are arenas and stadiums such a big deal (esp basketball)? on a scale of 1-10, how important are arenas (if you want to upgrade into another conference)?

Huggins complained about attendance frequently and directly called out fans and students to support the team. I don't recall whether or not he talked much about the stadium as a factor. My guess is he did but did not want to make it into an excuse.

The seats in the top 12-15 rows are pretty dismal for watching a game. I consider a "sell out" when we have all but those rafter seats filled. Can't really blame anyone for choosing not to go up there.

Just my opinion but I think a well designed arena should have 10,000-12,000 really good, excellent visibility, high enjoyment level seats. Once you get beyond that I think you are dealing in marginal seats. Yeah I know Rupp has 23,000 and a LOT of those seats are far too distant to visually enjoy the game. They fill them because there is nothing else to do in Lexington in the evening, ever.

My ideal would be a 10,000-12,000 seat arena with no "bad" seats and a large, designated student section. 1st and second deck entrances and exits. Concessions and restrooms that don't make me ponder the upsides and downsides of grabbing a couple beers. Lighting that is white and not yellow like ours is now and a better sound system.

The venue should not be "multipurpose" in the present sense, but should allow for concerts, shows and corporate events to, hopefully, help offset the cost of construction and ongoing operational costs.

Attach a meeting/exhibtion hall and you could actually compete for smaller size conventions and trade meetings that don't have the size/economy of scale to take advantage of the downtown convention center.

Just my .02
 
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That would be a nice arena J. I know it is easier said then done but on school nights arena parking is a ***** down there,btetter parking options would help.
 
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