(03-20-2013 04:22 PM)trephin Wrote:  Jet915 reported that the MVC had their tournaments in separate venues and dates. The point remains that combining both men and women may serve to generate larger attendance for some conferences. While I'm not a huge fan of women's basketball, I'd think the teams might think it was a disservice or disrespect to have to play as the opening act to the men rather than have their own distinct venue/times etc.

Not to mention that you would be wasting the best time slot (7pm) on the women's games.

Also then you don't have people showing up until the men are close to tipping off.

One more thing is that you can't charge as much for tix because you used to get two games in one session, in that theory people would only be paying for one game.

(03-20-2013 03:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 03:50 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  On Friday, you play at MSG:
Noon: Women's Semifinal
2:30: Men's Semifinal
6: Women's Semifinal
8:30: Men's Semifinal

Saturday at MSG:
5:15: Women's Final
8:30: Men's Final

You'd get bigger crowds for the women that way, and save the expense of getting a WBB venue.

Three problems:

1) you get a bigger crowd to watch the women's games than you otherwise may get, but you will also get smaller crowds for the men's games overall. Plus you may have a large portion of disinterested fans during the women's games.

2) The team who wins the daytime semifinal will have a 6 hour rest advantage over the team winning the night semifinal on a one day turnaround for both games.

3) you mess up TV coverage for the men's games

4) The courts have to have decals for men;s and women's, drainign sponsorship opportunities, and cluttering the court with multiple 3 point lines.

If you want to do that, you can have the women;s semi's during the day, since you are aready renting the venue anyway, and do the same the next day, having them in separate sessions. But even still, I don't think it's fair to the women to share a court with the men's who sell out on their own already. The other conferences that do them together (the MVC) don't sell out the arena for the final, so this gets more people in.

I think some of those are valid; but "disinterested fans" for the women's game are still in the building.

The TV coverage is an issue for ONE game (the first semifinal).

The extra rest, that's why your top seed plays the early game. They earned it.

And the court decals? C'mon, you just find one sponsor for both tournaments and make a logo that says "Big East Basketball Championship" (or, sorry, I forgot it's douchey: "BIG EAST Basketball Championship").

(03-20-2013 10:24 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  (or, sorry, I forgot it's douchey: "BIG EAST Basketball Championship").

Don't know if it means much, but the FOX press release talked about the Big East, not the BIG EAST.

(03-20-2013 10:24 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  The extra rest, that's why your top seed plays the early game. They earned it.

That assumes the top seed makes it to the final. What if it were like this year's tourney, where Syracuse (4) won the first semif final and Lousiville (2) won the second one?

(03-21-2013 10:38 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 10:24 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  The extra rest, that's why your top seed plays the early game. They earned it.

That assumes the top seed makes it to the final. What if it were like this year's tourney, where Syracuse (4) won the first semif final and Lousiville (2) won the second one?

It doesn't matter because the league will never give the women the prime time spot and make the men play later at night.

(03-21-2013 12:10 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  It doesn't matter because the league will never give the women the prime time spot and make the men play later at night.

That's true. They could go W Semi, W Semi in the afternoon; Men's Semis at night for TV.

But at the same time, you'd make less money. By forcing the men's ticket buyers to watch a women's game, you'd be selling TWO SESSIONS of men's tickets instead of one. You could probably get 33,000 combined in ticket sales if you did a W/M session and a W/M session; where as a women's session (5,000) and a men's session (19,000) you'd get 24K.

But would you really get 5,000 for the women? I have my doubts based on the average home attendance listed above.

I do think there will be separate venues. If it's not in the Midwest then I think they will definitely look at NJ as was suggested earlier.

(03-21-2013 04:25 PM)trephin Wrote:  But would you really get 5,000 for the women? I have my doubts based on the average home attendance listed above.

I do think there will be separate venues. If it's not in the Midwest then I think they will definitely look at NJ as was suggested earlier.

I was being generous.... and that's more to my point.

I really don't CARE, per se, WBB is what it is.

(03-21-2013 04:07 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 12:10 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  It doesn't matter because the league will never give the women the prime time spot and make the men play later at night.

That's true. They could go W Semi, W Semi in the afternoon; Men's Semis at night for TV.

But at the same time, you'd make less money. By forcing the men's ticket buyers to watch a women's game, you'd be selling TWO SESSIONS of men's tickets instead of one. You could probably get 33,000 combined in ticket sales if you did a W/M session and a W/M session; where as a women's session (5,000) and a men's session (19,000) you'd get 24K.

Well you run the risk of not selling out either session if you make it W/M.