A rather amusing thing you read around here, is how fans from teams changing conferences, somehow feel the new conference gets credit for accomplishments achieved while still in their old conference. Of course this is nonsense. The truth of the matter is, the ACC website claims no credit for any accomplishments of Syracuse or Louisville, or anyone else, but still claims credit for whatever Maryland achieves, even though they will leave soon. The same is true of the Big East. The reality is, the rosters of these future ACC teams were recruited to play against Big East schools, against Big East players, in Big East cities, in Big East arenas, and in Big East markets. Their achievements are the Big East's. Its also interesting that the coaches of the four future ACC members Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Jamie Dixon, and Mike Brey, while being good soldiers, have made no secret of the fact they wish the Big East had remained as it was, and they continued coaching in what has been the greatest basketball conference in NCAA history. None showed any enthusiasm for joining the ACC. Whether those four basketball teams remain elite, or fade into total irrelevance, as happened to Boston College, remains to be seen. Time will tell, although any drop is not likely to be as steep as what befell BC.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ACC apologists are delusional about the ACC's stature, when it has clearly been masked by two superpowers among a league of midgets, although one of them occasionally pokes their head above quicksand as Miami did this year. Over the past three years the Big East has had a total of 28 bids to the tournament, while the ACC has had 13, barely nosing out the Atlantic 10 which had 12. The last year the ACC matched the Big East in bids was 2009 when they both had 7, however the Big East nearly doubled the ACC's win total that year, 17 to 9. The recent history is pretty clear who the vastly superior league is, and my guess is it will be borne out again this upcoming tournament.

And finally, I'm sure there will be outraged response from the ACC newbies, claiming that once they're on board all that will change. Maybe it will. But the only thing we can judge for certain is what's happened in the past, no one knows the future. I know I wouldn't be surprised that if after the B1G finishes scavenging through the ACC these next couple of years, that what's left of the ACC has little resemblence to what's expected today. In any case, whatever it's form, I highly doubt the ACC will ever come close to replicating the success of the Big East.

Lot of words to say "Im pissed because my school didn't get a life boat off the sinking ship so Id rather pretend that those leaving were the cause of rather than a symptom of the bigger problem and if they had stayed everything would be just fine!"

(03-17-2013 10:19 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  A rather amusing thing you read around here, is how fans from teams changing conferences, somehow feel the new conference gets credit for accomplishments achieved while still in their old conference. Of course this is nonsense. The truth of the matter is, the ACC website claims no credit for any accomplishments of Syracuse or Louisville, or anyone else, but still claims credit for whatever Maryland achieves, even though they will leave soon. The same is true of the Big East. The reality is, the rosters of these future ACC teams were recruited to play against Big East schools, against Big East players, in Big East cities, in Big East arenas, and in Big East markets. Their achievements are the Big East's. Its also interesting that the coaches of the four future ACC members Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Jamie Dixon, and Mike Brey, while being good soldiers, have made no secret of the fact they wish the Big East had remained as it was, and they continued coaching in what has been the greatest basketball conference in NCAA history. None showed any enthusiasm for joining the ACC. Whether those four basketball teams remain elite, or fade into total irrelevance, as happened to Boston College, remains to be seen. Time will tell, although any drop is not likely to be as steep as what befell BC.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ACC apologists are delusional about the ACC's stature, when it has clearly been masked by two superpowers among a league of midgets, although one of them occasionally pokes their head above quicksand as Miami did this year. Over the past three years the Big East has had a total of 28 bids to the tournament, while the ACC has had 13, barely nosing out the Atlantic 10 which had 12. The last year the ACC matched the Big East in bids was 2009 when they both had 7, however the Big East nearly doubled the ACC's win total that year, 17 to 9. The recent history is pretty clear who the vastly superior league is, and my guess is it will be borne out again this upcoming tournament.

And finally, I'm sure there will be outraged response from the ACC newbies, claiming that once they're on board all that will change. Maybe it will. But the only thing we can judge for certain is what's happened in the past, no one knows the future. I know I wouldn't be surprised that if after the B1G finishes scavenging through the ACC these next couple of years, that what's left of the ACC has little resemblence to what's expected today. In any case, whatever it's form, I highly doubt the ACC will ever come close to replicating the success of the Big East.

COOL STORY BRO

(03-17-2013 11:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lot of words to say "Im pissed because my school didn't get a life boat off the sinking ship so Id rather pretend that those leaving were the cause of rather than a symptom of the bigger problem and if they had stayed everything would be just fine!"

(03-18-2013 04:31 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 11:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lot of words to say "Im pissed because my school didn't get a life boat off the sinking ship so Id rather pretend that those leaving were the cause of rather than a symptom of the bigger problem and if they had stayed everything would be just fine!"

Everyone's known for a long time that the ACC is two kings, two rooks, and a bunch of pawns. My friends who are SEC, Big 10, and Big 12 fans all know that the BE has been better than the ACC every year since 2005. And although it might not be the top conference every year, the BE has been by far the best conference overall during that timespan.

But the ACC is adding two more kings (UL, Syracuse) and two other very powerful programs (I'd call them queens but since that might have other implications, I'll end the chess analogy). Going forward, I think it will be Big 10, ACC, Big East as the top 3. The Metro, SEC, and Big 12 will be a step below the big three conferences. It will be interesting to see if the MWC can maintain their current place in the 2nd tier or if the PAC supplants them again.

(03-17-2013 11:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lot of words to say "Im pissed because my school didn't get a life boat off the sinking ship so Id rather pretend that those leaving were the cause of rather than a symptom of the bigger problem and if they had stayed everything would be just fine!"

I'm in the dark here. What school is he from? Who does Hoops root for?

(03-17-2013 10:19 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  A rather amusing thing you read around here, is how fans from teams changing conferences, somehow feel the new conference gets credit for accomplishments achieved while still in their old conference. Of course this is nonsense. The truth of the matter is, the ACC website claims no credit for any accomplishments of Syracuse or Louisville, or anyone else, but still claims credit for whatever Maryland achieves, even though they will leave soon. The same is true of the Big East. The reality is, the rosters of these future ACC teams were recruited to play against Big East schools, against Big East players, in Big East cities, in Big East arenas, and in Big East markets. Their achievements are the Big East's. Its also interesting that the coaches of the four future ACC members Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Jamie Dixon, and Mike Brey, while being good soldiers, have made no secret of the fact they wish the Big East had remained as it was, and they continued coaching in what has been the greatest basketball conference in NCAA history. None showed any enthusiasm for joining the ACC. Whether those four basketball teams remain elite, or fade into total irrelevance, as happened to Boston College, remains to be seen. Time will tell, although any drop is not likely to be as steep as what befell BC.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ACC apologists are delusional about the ACC's stature, when it has clearly been masked by two superpowers among a league of midgets, although one of them occasionally pokes their head above quicksand as Miami did this year. Over the past three years the Big East has had a total of 28 bids to the tournament, while the ACC has had 13, barely nosing out the Atlantic 10 which had 12. The last year the ACC matched the Big East in bids was 2009 when they both had 7, however the Big East nearly doubled the ACC's win total that year, 17 to 9. The recent history is pretty clear who the vastly superior league is, and my guess is it will be borne out again this upcoming tournament.

And finally, I'm sure there will be outraged response from the ACC newbies, claiming that once they're on board all that will change. Maybe it will. But the only thing we can judge for certain is what's happened in the past, no one knows the future. I know I wouldn't be surprised that if after the B1G finishes scavenging through the ACC these next couple of years, that what's left of the ACC has little resemblence to what's expected today. In any case, whatever it's form, I highly doubt the ACC will ever come close to replicating the success of the Big East.

Something which is very clear is that a school like Syracuse, that sits 250 miles away form New York City where most of its alums are and where most of its students hale from, is limiting the access of that alumni and fan base to its games by this move to the ACC. This is exactly what happened to Boston College.

I'm not saying that this conference move is a bad idea or that anyone else wouldn't have done it in a New York minute. It's good for business reasons. In fact, it's a great move on the business side of the ledger.

But one fact is incontrovertible. This is a terrible move for the fan base. And that's what we are: fans. NY based Syracuse now have the option of driving 250 miles to Syracuse, 200 miles to a road game in Boston, or 350 miles to a choice of Pittsburgh or Chalottesville. Take your pick.

As difficult as this is for a Saturday football game, it ain't happenin' for a weekday night game in either sport. And how about a 500+ mile trip to North Carolina for the ACC tournament? That should be gangs of fun.

The issue here isn't whether Syracuse or anyone else should have made. the move. The point is that realignment sux. It's bad for the fan base and in the long run that can't be good for college athletics. And I think that's the point of your post.

250 miles?

That's a short 3 hour drive son!

Nothing to complain about at all!

Now if you want REAL travel burden, try being a UTEP fan who lives in SA like my Aunt

(03-18-2013 07:15 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-17-2013 10:19 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  A rather amusing thing you read around here, is how fans from teams changing conferences, somehow feel the new conference gets credit for accomplishments achieved while still in their old conference. Of course this is nonsense. The truth of the matter is, the ACC website claims no credit for any accomplishments of Syracuse or Louisville, or anyone else, but still claims credit for whatever Maryland achieves, even though they will leave soon. The same is true of the Big East. The reality is, the rosters of these future ACC teams were recruited to play against Big East schools, against Big East players, in Big East cities, in Big East arenas, and in Big East markets. Their achievements are the Big East's. Its also interesting that the coaches of the four future ACC members Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Jamie Dixon, and Mike Brey, while being good soldiers, have made no secret of the fact they wish the Big East had remained as it was, and they continued coaching in what has been the greatest basketball conference in NCAA history. None showed any enthusiasm for joining the ACC. Whether those four basketball teams remain elite, or fade into total irrelevance, as happened to Boston College, remains to be seen. Time will tell, although any drop is not likely to be as steep as what befell BC.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ACC apologists are delusional about the ACC's stature, when it has clearly been masked by two superpowers among a league of midgets, although one of them occasionally pokes their head above quicksand as Miami did this year. Over the past three years the Big East has had a total of 28 bids to the tournament, while the ACC has had 13, barely nosing out the Atlantic 10 which had 12. The last year the ACC matched the Big East in bids was 2009 when they both had 7, however the Big East nearly doubled the ACC's win total that year, 17 to 9. The recent history is pretty clear who the vastly superior league is, and my guess is it will be borne out again this upcoming tournament.

And finally, I'm sure there will be outraged response from the ACC newbies, claiming that once they're on board all that will change. Maybe it will. But the only thing we can judge for certain is what's happened in the past, no one knows the future. I know I wouldn't be surprised that if after the B1G finishes scavenging through the ACC these next couple of years, that what's left of the ACC has little resemblence to what's expected today. In any case, whatever it's form, I highly doubt the ACC will ever come close to replicating the success of the Big East.

Something which is very clear is that a school like Syracuse, that sits 250 miles away form New York City where most of its alums are and where most of its students hale from, is limiting the access of that alumni and fan base to its games by this move to the ACC. This is exactly what happened to Boston College.

I'm not saying that this conference move is a bad idea or that anyone else wouldn't have done it in a New York minute. It's good for business reasons. In fact, it's a great move on the business side of the ledger.

But one fact is incontrovertible. This is a terrible move for the fan base. And that's what we are: fans. NY based Syracuse now have the option of driving 250 miles to Syracuse, 200 miles to a road game in Boston, or 350 miles to a choice of Pittsburgh or Chalottesville. Take your pick.

As difficult as this is for a Saturday football game, it ain't happenin' for a weekday night game in either sport. And how about a 500+ mile trip to North Carolina for the ACC tournament? That should be gangs of fun.

The issue here isn't whether Syracuse or anyone else should have made. the move. The point is that realignment sux. It's bad for the fan base and in the long run that can't be good for college athletics. And I think that's the point of your post.

I would respectfully disagree. There are so many ex-New Yorkers living in in the south now. With the Carolina's in particular being home to many of them. At least from a hoops standpoint our fans have shown the ability to show in mass at games anywhere from NYC to Georgia. Ask State fans what they thought about our fans showing up to their arena last year.

Now I will admit that in football it remains to be seen how we will travel in the ACC but from a hoops standpoint it really isn't even an argument.

Melky you raise some good points. I just hope that Cuse figures out hwo to play in NYC a couple games every season. Our AD said Brooklyn is in play for games too. St Johns is on the schedule. It is planned to be in Cuse/NYC on rotation. I'd prefer if it was at MSG every year and the two schools split the gate. Which is actually a bad deal for Cuse as they outdraw SJU at MSG. I see Nova getting a call too for games. Not sure if UConn gets the call but a 1-1-1 (Cuse/Hartford/NYC) would be cool. Georgetown is supposed to be in the works. I doubt Cuse has much interaction with any other schools from the BE.

(03-17-2013 10:19 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  A rather amusing thing you read around here, is how fans from teams changing conferences, somehow feel the new conference gets credit for accomplishments achieved while still in their old conference. Of course this is nonsense. The truth of the matter is, the ACC website claims no credit for any accomplishments of Syracuse or Louisville, or anyone else, but still claims credit for whatever Maryland achieves, even though they will leave soon. The same is true of the Big East. The reality is, the rosters of these future ACC teams were recruited to play against Big East schools, against Big East players, in Big East cities, in Big East arenas, and in Big East markets. Their achievements are the Big East's. Its also interesting that the coaches of the four future ACC members Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Jamie Dixon, and Mike Brey, while being good soldiers, have made no secret of the fact they wish the Big East had remained as it was, and they continued coaching in what has been the greatest basketball conference in NCAA history. None showed any enthusiasm for joining the ACC. Whether those four basketball teams remain elite, or fade into total irrelevance, as happened to Boston College, remains to be seen. Time will tell, although any drop is not likely to be as steep as what befell BC.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ACC apologists are delusional about the ACC's stature, when it has clearly been masked by two superpowers among a league of midgets, although one of them occasionally pokes their head above quicksand as Miami did this year. Over the past three years the Big East has had a total of 28 bids to the tournament, while the ACC has had 13, barely nosing out the Atlantic 10 which had 12. The last year the ACC matched the Big East in bids was 2009 when they both had 7, however the Big East nearly doubled the ACC's win total that year, 17 to 9. The recent history is pretty clear who the vastly superior league is, and my guess is it will be borne out again this upcoming tournament.

And finally, I'm sure there will be outraged response from the ACC newbies, claiming that once they're on board all that will change. Maybe it will. But the only thing we can judge for certain is what's happened in the past, no one knows the future. I know I wouldn't be surprised that if after the B1G finishes scavenging through the ACC these next couple of years, that what's left of the ACC has little resemblence to what's expected today. In any case, whatever it's form, I highly doubt the ACC will ever come close to replicating the success of the Big East.

You're a UCONN fan. Am I right?

(03-18-2013 07:44 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Now I will admit that in football it remains to be seen how we will travel in the ACC but from a hoops standpoint it really isn't even an argument.

Let's put it this way, in terms of football attendance in CNY:
BC > UCONN
Miami/FSU >> USF
UL = UL
Pitt = Pitt
Clemson = WVU
Average NC school = RU
GT > UC
ND >> average OCC team
UVA = Average OOC team
VT > Average OOC team

Attendance might not be great, but it won't take a hit. Even basketball won't lose. We will just play OOC games in MSG and/or a preseason tourney in MSG, and we will play UCONN, GU, Nova, and/or StJ every year. Pitt, ND, and UL will stay on our in-conference schedule, and we will add super powers, like Duke and UNC, and teams with potential, like GT, FSU, Miami (apparently), BC, NCSU, and WF. We will actually give more Syracuse fans a chance to see the Orange play, because there are a TON of New Yorkers down south along the coast all the way from the city to as far south as Miami (as anyone who has seen a SU @ GU game, SU @ NCSU game, or a SU @ USF game).

I will miss Marquette, but I really don't care if we ever play Prov., SH, or Rutgers again. Truth be told, I don't really care if we even play STJ again. They need us for MSG, not the other way around.

Anything to the contrary is wishful thinking from a UCONN fan.

(03-18-2013 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Melky you raise some good points. I just hope that Cuse figures out hwo to play in NYC a couple games every season. Our AD said Brooklyn is in play for games too. St Johns is on the schedule. It is planned to be in Cuse/NYC on rotation. I'd prefer if it was at MSG every year and the two schools split the gate. Which is actually a bad deal for Cuse as they outdraw SJU at MSG. I see Nova getting a call too for games. Not sure if UConn gets the call but a 1-1-1 (Cuse/Hartford/NYC) would be cool. Georgetown is supposed to be in the works. I doubt Cuse has much interaction with any other schools from the BE.

You really don't see the disrespect there do you? Completely oblivious to how insulting that suggestion is. How would you feel if Notre Dame wants to play a FB game with you at the Dome but they want to split the gate because they bring so many fans. You, the alumni and the administration would all say "F*** NO!". That is what you are suggesting to us.

This is why we hate your fan base so much. The arrogance.

(03-18-2013 10:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:44 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Now I will admit that in football it remains to be seen how we will travel in the ACC but from a hoops standpoint it really isn't even an argument.

Let's put it this way, in terms of football attendance in CNY:
BC > UCONN
Miami/FSU >> USF
UL = UL
Pitt = Pitt
Clemson = WVU
Average NC school = RU
GT > UC
ND >> average OCC team
UVA = Average OOC team
VT > Average OOC team

Attendance might not be great, but it won't take a hit. Even basketball won't lose. We will just play OOC games in MSG and/or a preseason tourney in MSG, and we will play UCONN, GU, Nova, and/or StJ every year. Pitt, ND, and UL will stay on our in-conference schedule, and we will add super powers, like Duke and UNC, and teams with potential, like GT, FSU, Miami (apparently), BC, NCSU, and WF. We will actually give more Syracuse fans a chance to see the Orange play, because there are a TON of New Yorkers down south along the coast all the way from the city to as far south as Miami (as anyone who has seen a SU @ GU game, SU @ NCSU game, or a SU @ USF game).

I will miss Marquette, but I really don't care if we ever play Prov., SH, or Rutgers again. Truth be told, I don't really care if we even play STJ again. They need us for MSG, not the other way around.

Anything to the contrary is wishful thinking from a UCONN fan.

Proving my point once again.

We actually sell out more when we play Duke. We have actual sell out's when the Blue Devils come to town. Near sell outs for when Cuse comes around.

(03-18-2013 10:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:44 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Now I will admit that in football it remains to be seen how we will travel in the ACC but from a hoops standpoint it really isn't even an argument.

Let's put it this way, in terms of football attendance in CNY:
BC > UCONN
Miami/FSU >> USF
UL = UL
Pitt = Pitt
Clemson = WVU
Average NC school = RU
GT > UC
ND >> average OCC team
UVA = Average OOC team
VT > Average OOC team

Attendance might not be great, but it won't take a hit. Even basketball won't lose. We will just play OOC games in MSG and/or a preseason tourney in MSG, and we will play UCONN, GU, Nova, and/or StJ every year. Pitt, ND, and UL will stay on our in-conference schedule, and we will add super powers, like Duke and UNC, and teams with potential, like GT, FSU, Miami (apparently), BC, NCSU, and WF. We will actually give more Syracuse fans a chance to see the Orange play, because there are a TON of New Yorkers down south along the coast all the way from the city to as far south as Miami (as anyone who has seen a SU @ GU game, SU @ NCSU game, or a SU @ USF game).

I will miss Marquette, but I really don't care if we ever play Prov., SH, or Rutgers again. Truth be told, I don't really care if we even play STJ again. They need us for MSG, not the other way around.

Anything to the contrary is wishful thinking from a UCONN fan.

Syracuse has a lot on NYC/ NE Corridor alums that could get to a bunch of away basketball games each year. That's why playing undesirables Providence, Rutgers and Seton Hall was a good thing. Then throw in actual desirables St John's, Villanova, UConn and Georgetown, all a short train ride or car trip away. Based on your home-and-homes, that could be at least 4 or 5 road games that NYC Orangemen alumni could easily get to nearby. Maybe they plan on a weekend in Tampa in January to play USF, so realistically 1 flight a year for a NYC alum.

Now, in the ACC, as Melky was saying, what does a Syracuse NYC alum do? Ok, a date with St John's every other year... and... maybe but probably not Villanova... Georgetown from what I had heard has no interest... the closest conference mate near NYC will be BC... Pitt takes forever to drive to... Charlottesville requires a car (compared to the train/flight to Georgetown)... So BC and maybe Virginia are the only to ACC road games that northeast alums can easily get to.

How many Syracuse alumni are really in North Carolina compared to NYC/Phila/DC? And how many old-time loyal fans in NYC are getting screwed?

(03-18-2013 02:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:44 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Now I will admit that in football it remains to be seen how we will travel in the ACC but from a hoops standpoint it really isn't even an argument.

Let's put it this way, in terms of football attendance in CNY:
BC > UCONN
Miami/FSU >> USF
UL = UL
Pitt = Pitt
Clemson = WVU
Average NC school = RU
GT > UC
ND >> average OCC team
UVA = Average OOC team
VT > Average OOC team

Attendance might not be great, but it won't take a hit. Even basketball won't lose. We will just play OOC games in MSG and/or a preseason tourney in MSG, and we will play UCONN, GU, Nova, and/or StJ every year. Pitt, ND, and UL will stay on our in-conference schedule, and we will add super powers, like Duke and UNC, and teams with potential, like GT, FSU, Miami (apparently), BC, NCSU, and WF. We will actually give more Syracuse fans a chance to see the Orange play, because there are a TON of New Yorkers down south along the coast all the way from the city to as far south as Miami (as anyone who has seen a SU @ GU game, SU @ NCSU game, or a SU @ USF game).

I will miss Marquette, but I really don't care if we ever play Prov., SH, or Rutgers again. Truth be told, I don't really care if we even play STJ again. They need us for MSG, not the other way around.

Anything to the contrary is wishful thinking from a UCONN fan.

Proving my point once again.

We actually sell out more when we play Duke. We have actual sell out's when the Blue Devils come to town. Near sell outs for when Cuse comes around.

1. Nobody was arguing with you. Everyone knows STJ doesn't like Syracuse. We get that you're mad that we call ourselves NY's college team, but your anger isn't going to change anything. You're right about ND. They will never see us as equals, just as most ND fans don't see BC or Pitt as equals. But there's some truth to that SU, Pitt, BC FB history is impressive, but it's > ND FB history in many ways. STJ BB history is impressive, but it's > SU BB history.

2. No. Duke sells out and I distinctly remember Cuse selling out at MSG. STJ doesn't sell out.

(03-18-2013 03:14 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Syracuse has a lot on NYC/ NE Corridor alums that could get to a bunch of away basketball games each year. That's why playing undesirables Providence, Rutgers and Seton Hall was a good thing. Then throw in actual desirables St John's, Villanova, UConn and Georgetown, all a short train ride or car trip away. Based on your home-and-homes, that could be at least 4 or 5 road games that NYC Orangemen alumni could easily get to nearby. Maybe they plan on a weekend in Tampa in January to play USF, so realistically 1 flight a year for a NYC alum.

Now, in the ACC, as Melky was saying, what does a Syracuse NYC alum do? Ok, a date with St John's every other year... and... maybe but probably not Villanova... Georgetown from what I had heard has no interest... the closest conference mate near NYC will be BC... Pitt takes forever to drive to... Charlottesville requires a car (compared to the train/flight to Georgetown)... So BC and maybe Virginia are the only to ACC road games that northeast alums can easily get to.

How many Syracuse alumni are really in North Carolina compared to NYC/Phila/DC? And how many old-time loyal fans in NYC are getting screwed?

Unless SU decides to play a couple games in MSG. Then the problems are all solved. Given that 90% of the people at the last SU @ STJ game were wearing orange, I feel like the odds of SU being able to book MSG in the future are pretty good.

(03-18-2013 03:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:14 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Syracuse has a lot on NYC/ NE Corridor alums that could get to a bunch of away basketball games each year. That's why playing undesirables Providence, Rutgers and Seton Hall was a good thing. Then throw in actual desirables St John's, Villanova, UConn and Georgetown, all a short train ride or car trip away. Based on your home-and-homes, that could be at least 4 or 5 road games that NYC Orangemen alumni could easily get to nearby. Maybe they plan on a weekend in Tampa in January to play USF, so realistically 1 flight a year for a NYC alum.

Now, in the ACC, as Melky was saying, what does a Syracuse NYC alum do? Ok, a date with St John's every other year... and... maybe but probably not Villanova... Georgetown from what I had heard has no interest... the closest conference mate near NYC will be BC... Pitt takes forever to drive to... Charlottesville requires a car (compared to the train/flight to Georgetown)... So BC and maybe Virginia are the only to ACC road games that northeast alums can easily get to.

How many Syracuse alumni are really in North Carolina compared to NYC/Phila/DC? And how many old-time loyal fans in NYC are getting screwed?

Unless SU decides to play a couple games in MSG. Then the problems are all solved. Given that 90% of the people at the last SU @ STJ game were wearing orange, I feel like the odds of SU being able to book MSG in the future are pretty good.

Right, a couple of games at MSG will be good. But from now on...

These are your possible future NYC area games, pending home-and-home schedule:
1. at Boston College (train or 3.5 hour car).
2. random game at MSG (either vs St John's or pre-season NIT, etc).

These used to be your possible former NYC area games, pending home-and-home schedule:
1. at St John's (local).
2. at Providence (train).
3. at UConn (2 hr car).
4. at Seton Hall (local).
5. at Rutgers (local).
6. at Villanova (train).
7. at Georgetown (train).
8. random game at MSG (NIT, etc).

Plus, you'll be trying to set up away games with teams that aren't going to want to provide you with exposure in their city. Plus your loyal NYC alums will be screwed. Plus NYC to Syracuse is at least a 4 hour drive, right? 1.5 to Albany depending on traffic, another 2.5 to Syracuse from there.

(03-18-2013 02:14 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Melky you raise some good points. I just hope that Cuse figures out hwo to play in NYC a couple games every season. Our AD said Brooklyn is in play for games too. St Johns is on the schedule. It is planned to be in Cuse/NYC on rotation. I'd prefer if it was at MSG every year and the two schools split the gate. Which is actually a bad deal for Cuse as they outdraw SJU at MSG. I see Nova getting a call too for games. Not sure if UConn gets the call but a 1-1-1 (Cuse/Hartford/NYC) would be cool. Georgetown is supposed to be in the works. I doubt Cuse has much interaction with any other schools from the BE.

You really don't see the disrespect there do you? Completely oblivious to how insulting that suggestion is. How would you feel if Notre Dame wants to play a FB game with you at the Dome but they want to split the gate because they bring so many fans. You, the alumni and the administration would all say "F*** NO!". That is what you are suggesting to us.

This is why we hate your fan base so much. The arrogance.

Apples to oranges (pun not intended). The Carrier Dome is on campus, and is owned and operated by Syracuse University. MSG is owned and operated by MSG, and St. John's only plays there for certain conference games.