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RE: Why is ESPN playing video montages as if the BE is dead?
(03-18-2013 07:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Folks, the Big East (C&) is not being "strengthened. It is losing or has lost UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati and Notre Dame. The BEast that was the Big East. A cupboard of Seton Halls, Creightons, DePaul's and Xaviers is not going to replace the night-in, night-out war that was the real Big East.

You do know that Creighton is the MVC champs right?

Also Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers and UofL were leaving. They were already gone. So either we can stay and see them replaced with Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis and Temple OR we can leave and add 5 of the best mid-majors in the country to form a power BBall conference where their interests would be met. They were the only value left in the Big East.
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(03-18-2013 07:26 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Your are forgetting the curse of bailing on the Big East, for reference check out Boston College and West Virginia post Big East.

Peace out football schools, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

May be, but the C-7 are also leaving... they are leaving the entity, the history, championships, tournament bids, titles, records, etc behind too.

The bylaws and the whole structure of the current Big East Conference will continue with UConn, Cincy, Temple, and South Florida... plus newcomers Memphis, Central Florida, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina.

The C-7 will likely end up buying the Big East name from the schools listed above and calling the new C-7 conference the big East, but it won't be the same conference, so nathanhm, I wouldn't worry about the football schools with the door or curse hitting them on the way out, but your own schools who are also doing a disappearing act.
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RE: Why is ESPN playing video montages as if the BE is dead?
(03-18-2013 07:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Folks, the Big East (C&) is not being "strengthened. It is losing or has lost UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati and Notre Dame. The BEast that was the Big East. A cupboard of Seton Halls, Creightons, DePaul's and Xaviers is not going to replace the night-in, night-out war that was the real Big East.

UC is not part of the "real" big east . Spent majority of your time here in the bottom half of the league.
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(03-17-2013 11:06 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  It's SILLY to think that ESPN is going to treat the new conference as the old Big East.

Silly talk.

No sillier than you thinking that had the other side kept the name, people would beleive the new Big East was the old one.



Now with that said, it is technically a new conference, so the Big East really is dead. The new conference will be a new conference, with the old name, but structurally and orgnaizationally a new conference. No different than how KMart and AT&T today are not the same KMart and AT&T companies they replaced. Actually it is very similar to AT&T, a company that went out of business, and the remaining company was purchased by a company spun off of it, and renamed AT&T, even though it really is SBC Global, and not the original AT&T, even though parts of it orignally came from AT&T.
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(03-19-2013 01:01 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-18-2013 07:26 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Your are forgetting the curse of bailing on the Big East, for reference check out Boston College and West Virginia post Big East.

Peace out football schools, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

May be, but the C-7 are also leaving... they are leaving the entity, the history, championships, tournament bids, titles, records, etc behind too.

The bylaws and the whole structure of the current Big East Conference will continue with UConn, Cincy, Temple, and South Florida... plus newcomers Memphis, Central Florida, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina.

The C-7 will likely end up buying the Big East name from the schools listed above and calling the new C-7 conference the big East, but it won't be the same conference, so nathanhm, I wouldn't worry about the football schools with the door or curse hitting them on the way out, but your own schools who are also doing a disappearing act.

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RE: Why is ESPN playing video montages as if the BE is dead?
(03-19-2013 04:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not correct.

PROOF???

So if that is all wrong, you're saying the conference that Aresco is commissioner of will not continue to operate under its constitution? He will not continue as commissioner, they didn't just sign a new six year ESPN and CBS television contracts, and they aren't still welcoming Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina into the conference ranks?

If that has all just happened or in the process of happening -- then yes, the Catholic 7 are leaving, splitting off and forming their own new conference, and Big East in name only. Negotiations of the split will give some credits and money to the leaving crew, but the reality is THEY ARE LEAVING the entity known since 1979 as the Big East Conference.

It's not BUSINESS as usual, or the C-7 wouldn't be talking about bringing in former Big 12 guru Dan Beebe to help set up the New Big East 3.0 conference structure, they'd already have one, but they do not - it's a new conference from the ground up, just with a traded name.
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RE: Why is ESPN playing video montages as if the BE is dead?
(03-19-2013 07:54 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not correct.

PROOF???

So if that is all wrong...

Why do you and ESPN and the ACC have such a unhealthy desire to declare the Big East dead? Is it because the Big East drank your milkshake for 30 years? Is it because we've retained MSG? Is it because you've been reduced down to 4 NCAA bids this year? Is it because your Miami (Fla)/ BC/ Va Tech project was a total bust? Is it because of our Fox deal? Is it because we own the northeast because, you know, we actually live here? Is it because within 3 years the ACC is going to be drawn and quartered by the B1G and SEC-- so declare the BE dead though 4 of the original 7 remain and 5 of the first 8, because you'll be left with Duke and Wake only to count among ACC originals? Take a hike, kid.
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(03-19-2013 07:54 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not correct.

PROOF???

So if that is all wrong, you're saying the conference that Aresco is commissioner of will not continue to operate under its constitution? He will not continue as commissioner, they didn't just sign a new six year ESPN and CBS television contracts, and they aren't still welcoming Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina into the conference ranks?

If that has all just happened or in the process of happening -- then yes, the Catholic 7 are leaving, splitting off and forming their own new conference, and Big East in name only. Negotiations of the split will give some credits and money to the leaving crew, but the reality is THEY ARE LEAVING the entity known since 1979 as the Big East Conference.

It's not BUSINESS as usual, or the C-7 wouldn't be talking about bringing in former Big 12 guru Dan Beebe to help set up the New Big East 3.0 conference structure, they'd already have one, but they do not - it's a new conference from the ground up, just with a traded name.

The C7 didn't leave the Big East. The league split in two, meaning we are STILL the Big East. We split the assets, they got more of the money and we got the name.
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RE: Why is ESPN playing video montages as if the BE is dead?
(03-18-2013 07:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Folks, the Big East (C&) is not being "strengthened. It is losing or has lost UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati and Notre Dame. The BEast that was the Big East. A cupboard of Seton Halls, Creightons, DePaul's and Xaviers is not going to replace the night-in, night-out war that was the real Big East.

#1 - If that's directed at my comment about "strengthening an already strong basketball league!" I hope you realize that was a tongue-in-cheek comment about how ESPN portrays properties they own; and ignores properties they do not (which was the whole premise of this thread).

#2 - Yeah, it is "weaker" because there's eight fewer schools. But really, the fact that you had so many good teams in the Big East probably worked to their detriment over the last few years.

Cincinnati, DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, and Nova all saw their NCAA appearance frequency go down when the Big East got huge.

Generally speaking, the top half of a power conference is in play for NCAA bids, up to 60% in a good year. (See also my 12 vs 10 tirades).

So when more than 60% of your conference are programs capable of getting NCAA bids in a given year, someone looks worse record/RPI wise than they actually are.

(03-18-2013 07:50 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You do know that Creighton is the MVC champs right?

Also Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers and UofL were leaving. They were already gone. So either we can stay and see them replaced with Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis and Temple OR we can leave and add 5 of the best mid-majors in the country to form a power BBall conference where their interests would be met. They were the only value left in the Big East.

Yeah, the Big East was taking a huge hit no matter what. Honestly, it would be slightly hypocritical of me to suggest that the top-half of the new Big East wouldn't have been NCAA bids if they stayed together. It might have worked out better for the C7:

Replacing #1, #4, #5, #5, #12 in the league with Memphis, Temple, UCF, Houston, Tulane and SMU would bump:

Nova from 7th to 5th, Providence from 9th to 8th, St. John's from 11th to 9th, Seton Hall from 13th to 10th, and DePaul from last to ahead of Tulane, SMU and Houston.

But the reason for the split wasn't because of NCAA bids, or basketball. It was about shaping their own destiny rather than being along for the ride. Adding schools like Tulane, UCF and SMU may have helped their conference win totals, but the C7 didn't have a say in the decision and didn't have their values being considered with those additions.

The No. 1 team in the country playing a road conference game shouldn't go to a building that isn't 100% full, and shouldn't go into a building that's only got 3,200 seats, and definitely shouldn't do both at the same time. And that happened repeatedly to Memphis in C-USA when they visited Tulane.
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(03-19-2013 07:54 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not correct.

PROOF???

So if that is all wrong, you're saying the conference that Aresco is commissioner of will not continue to operate under its constitution? He will not continue as commissioner, they didn't just sign a new six year ESPN and CBS television contracts, and they aren't still welcoming Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina into the conference ranks?

If that has all just happened or in the process of happening -- then yes, the Catholic 7 are leaving, splitting off and forming their own new conference, and Big East in name only. Negotiations of the split will give some credits and money to the leaving crew, but the reality is THEY ARE LEAVING the entity known since 1979 as the Big East Conference.

It's not BUSINESS as usual, or the C-7 wouldn't be talking about bringing in former Big 12 guru Dan Beebe to help set up the New Big East 3.0 conference structure, they'd already have one, but they do not - it's a new conference from the ground up, just with a traded name.

We split the league, we didn't leave. We're keeping the history and the name. From an infrastructure perspective we are building out but so is the Areasco League. Employees will end up with one league or the other.

Both leagues will need new constitutions, since the Areasco league wont have basketball only members any longer and we won't have football members any longer.

You'll need to rebrand (which is rebuilding) and we'll need a new commissioner as Aresco will be staying with the football schools. No oen is denying you guys signed a TV contract, just like we did.

Now if you don't believe me, instead of trolling this board, why don't you post some proof that what I said is incorrect.
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(03-20-2013 04:26 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 07:54 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:25 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Not correct.

PROOF???

So if that is all wrong, you're saying the conference that Aresco is commissioner of will not continue to operate under its constitution? He will not continue as commissioner, they didn't just sign a new six year ESPN and CBS television contracts, and they aren't still welcoming Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, Southern Methodist, Navy, Tulane, and East Carolina into the conference ranks?

If that has all just happened or in the process of happening -- then yes, the Catholic 7 are leaving, splitting off and forming their own new conference, and Big East in name only. Negotiations of the split will give some credits and money to the leaving crew, but the reality is THEY ARE LEAVING the entity known since 1979 as the Big East Conference.

It's not BUSINESS as usual, or the C-7 wouldn't be talking about bringing in former Big 12 guru Dan Beebe to help set up the New Big East 3.0 conference structure, they'd already have one, but they do not - it's a new conference from the ground up, just with a traded name.

We split the league, we didn't leave. We're keeping the history and the name. From an infrastructure perspective we are building out but so is the Areasco League. Employees will end up with one league or the other.

Both leagues will need new constitutions, since the Areasco league wont have basketball only members any longer and we won't have football members any longer.

You'll need to rebrand (which is rebuilding) and we'll need a new commissioner as Aresco will be staying with the football schools. No oen is denying you guys signed a TV contract, just like we did.

Now if you don't believe me, instead of trolling this board, why don't you post some proof that what I said is incorrect.

He's a UNC fan.
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(03-17-2013 06:58 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Why is a guy named BigEastHomer trash talking the Big East????

If I were him I'd rip on the America 12, now that's a league ESPN will ignore.

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(04-08-2014 02:43 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:58 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Why is a guy named BigEastHomer trash talking the Big East????

If I were him I'd rip on the America 12, now that's a league ESPN will ignore.

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Hey that team use to be in the Big East...and I hear they are working hard to try to get away from you guys. Congrats to UConn our fellow brethren. Just hang tight for awhile, you'll be in a better place soon enough.
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LOL at Houston for talking smack. Talk about a program who hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy since the 80's. Living off UConn I see
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(04-08-2014 06:38 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  LOL at Houston for talking smack. Talk about a program who hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy since the 80's. Living off UConn I see

Not any more than you're proud of your ACC brethren. 07-coffee3

Oh wait...
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(04-08-2014 06:05 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 02:43 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:58 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Why is a guy named BigEastHomer trash talking the Big East????

If I were him I'd rip on the America 12, now that's a league ESPN will ignore.

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Hey that team use to be in the Big East...and I hear they are working hard to try to get away from you guys. Congrats to UConn our fellow brethren. Just hang tight for awhile, you'll be in a better place soon enough.
Just responding to some old messages that referenced me by name. As for UCONN, it seems to me that the place they're in now is doing pretty well. Tune in tonight for the Women's Basketball national championship. (but don't go to FS1, you might get lost and never be heard from again) 07-coffee3
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(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  It seems to me that the place they're in now is doing pretty well. Tune in tonight for the Women's Basketball national championship. (but don't go to FS1) 05-nono

I'm glad to hear that you are happy living vicariously through UConns accomplishments. Success by association 04-cheers
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(04-08-2014 07:09 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  It seems to me that the place they're in now is doing pretty well. Tune in tonight for the Women's Basketball national championship. (but don't go to FS1) 05-nono

I'm glad to hear that you are happy living vicariously through UConns accomplishments. Success by association 04-cheers

They need to. UH and ECU need UConn to do well in order for them to survive.
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(04-08-2014 07:09 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  It seems to me that the place they're in now is doing pretty well. Tune in tonight for the Women's Basketball national championship. (but don't go to FS1) 05-nono

I'm glad to hear that you are happy living vicariously through UConns accomplishments. Success by association 04-cheers

If you hasn't noticed, the NBE people were talking some pretty good smack about the AAC and UCONN last year... I just came back to write a few receipts. UCONN did very well this year (as you know); and UCF did similarly spectacular in the BCS Fiesta Bowl. We all cheer for each other; like most good conferences do.
And, as you said, there is some vicarious satisfaction in that. I'm sure you felt it when Doug McDermott played his last game. 07-coffee3

I will admit... I enjoyed that one too. 04-cheers
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