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RE: Possible tension within the New Big East? And some VCU News
(03-15-2013 06:03 PM)thegalen Wrote:  
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(03-15-2013 04:20 PM)thegalen Wrote:  Come on. You guys are acting like this is ESPN here. Thamel doesn't have a vested business interest here... he has a freaking Syracuse diploma. BFD.

I understand you have no context here, but there is a long history with Thamel.
Thamel's been doing straight reporting on this story from the very beginning. Why wait to execute his conspiracy until things are said and done (as some are claiming is already the case)? Someone point me to other examples of his ant-GU bias in reporting on the new league.

I think it's fair to mention the ACC-should-grab-MSG-to-crush-the-C7 piece in the context of today's piece. It's not so much a conspiracy as having to fill column inches, so he's doing what half of us do--throw out "what I would do if I were Swofford/Aresco/leading the C7/etc" except he has a national readership.

Quote: And we know that GU administrators are the ones pushing to block VCU, contra the wishes of other C7 members. Is it really such a stretch that they may be pushing their weight around in other ways? Give it a maximaly charitable and uncharitable reading. The latter is prettttttty far fetched.

It's possible that Georgetown is throwing their weight around. They're the most successful brand and the strongest school academically. Georgetown has definitely gotten publicity as the leader of the C7. Very possible that that's not appreciated. Especially if it's accurate that Georgetown was the biggest advocate of the hybrid before the split.

I also wonder how well Tagliabue is perceived by the rest of the C7 presidents--he was the architect of the markets-markets-markets expansion strategy even if JAck Swarbrick was the point person, and he was involved in rejecting the Spring 2011 contract.
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(03-15-2013 03:29 PM)thegalen Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Let's not start sounding like the Big East A-12 Conference's board where we start assuming a journalist is making stuff up every time he writes an article we don't like, okay?
Woah woah woah woah. Are you saying that a grown man whose livelihood depends on his credibility wouldn't trash his professional reputation in a second to work in some thrice-removed abstract side swipes against a sports rival of his undergraduate alma mater? Even after they beat said alma mater TWICE in one season? Take the tinfoil off, John. It's obvious that Thamel is making things up and is trying to destroy the Big East!

I pointed out earlier where he's written many articles previously that were poorly fact checked and in many cases downright inaccurate. He writes with an agenda, always has. In this article he has a ton of sources yet can't name anyone. His article is full of conjecture, yet reads as though he's delivering facts. If he doesn't want his credibility questioned he should write like an actual journalists instead of the sports equivalent of blind item in a gossip rag.
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Instead of acting like Thamel with no evidence to back up my accusations about him having an agenda, follow these links for articles he wrote for the NYT.

The first story is about Binghamton firing their coach he used to work for Coach Broadus, who was removed from his job at Binghamton when a lot of stuff went down on the team. He later sued the school and won for wrongful termination. Now this article talks about how coach Broadus' successor is fired. Coach Broadus was before and after Binghamton a Georgetown assistant coach. He used basically the entire article to trash coach Broadus with quotes like this: "Broadus served as a special assistant there last year, and in a prior assistant stint there and at George Washington earned a reputation for his ability to recruit academically at-risk players from so-called diploma mills"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/sports....html?_r=1

In this article he talks about shady behavior in the Norlens Noel recruitment and specifically calls out travel expenses from Kentucky and Louisville and handlers tied to Providence. He also mentions Errol Randolph as a handler but doesn't say who he was pushing Noel towards. Hmm wonder if it was because he is a Syracuse handler?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/sports...ref=sports

Last example. Here is an article he wrote on Melo getting ruled academically I ineligible. With a casual mention of the Fine sexual molestation bit. You know coaches molesting kids and students failing classes, no biggie. Unless of course it's Coach Broadus in which case it's a "program spiraled to oblivion in amid a flurry of legal, academic and N.C.A.A. issues."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/sports...ament.html

So yeah I do think Thamel has zero credibility and doesn't follow journalistic integrity.
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RE: Possible tension within the New Big East? And some VCU News
(03-16-2013 06:15 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:29 PM)thegalen Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:22 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Let's not start sounding like the Big East A-12 Conference's board where we start assuming a journalist is making stuff up every time he writes an article we don't like, okay?
Woah woah woah woah. Are you saying that a grown man whose livelihood depends on his credibility wouldn't trash his professional reputation in a second to work in some thrice-removed abstract side swipes against a sports rival of his undergraduate alma mater? Even after they beat said alma mater TWICE in one season? Take the tinfoil off, John. It's obvious that Thamel is making things up and is trying to destroy the Big East!

I pointed out earlier where he's written many articles previously that were poorly fact checked and in many cases downright inaccurate. He writes with an agenda, always has. In this article he has a ton of sources yet can't name anyone. His article is full of conjecture, yet reads as though he's delivering facts. If he doesn't want his credibility questioned he should write like an actual journalists instead of the sports equivalent of blind item in a gossip rag.

Well if he did they wouldn't be sources for long.
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(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  The DePaul - Purnell link is fascinating? Doubtful since he could be out of a job as early as next year.

Sorry but Purnell has a 7 year 14 mill contract. DePaul's AD is...incompetent. She has stated numerous times his job is safe and reiterated that the reason why she made it 7 years because it was a "big undertaking" to bring the program back to respectability. Keep in mind the program hit rock bottom under her watch and now they are trying to bring it back up. This is year 3 under Purnell and they have been 6-47 (.117) in Big East play. He's been getting paid over 6 million since he has started and they are still horrible. The AD expects the changes to occure in year 5-apparently that's how long it takes to turn a program around.

The DePaul fanbase is no more upset with Father H. and the BOT for allowing her to keep her job, they actually extended her contract last year for another 5 years. DePaul will continue to be irrelevant until their AD is replaced.

Here is a nice website
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(03-16-2013 07:17 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  The DePaul - Purnell link is fascinating? Doubtful since he could be out of a job as early as next year.

Sorry but Purnell has a 7 year 14 mill contract. DePaul's AD is...incompetent. She has stated numerous times his job is safe and reiterated that the reason why she made it 7 years because it was a "big undertaking" to bring the program back to respectability. Keep in mind the program hit rock bottom under her watch and now they are trying to bring it back up. This is year 3 under Purnell and they have been 6-47 (.117) in Big East play. He's been getting paid over 6 million since he has started and they are still horrible. The AD expects the changes to occure in year 5-apparently that's how long it takes to turn a program around.

The DePaul fanbase is no more upset with Father H. and the BOT for allowing her to keep her job, they actually extended her contract last year for another 5 years. DePaul will continue to be irrelevant until their AD is replaced.

Here is a nice website
http://www.firejean.com/

I will say that DePaul is making progress. They are a much more competitive team than they have been. The problem today is no one has patience. It takes time to turn around a program that is as down as DePaul or even my Johnnies. I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.
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(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:17 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  The DePaul - Purnell link is fascinating? Doubtful since he could be out of a job as early as next year.

Sorry but Purnell has a 7 year 14 mill contract. DePaul's AD is...incompetent. She has stated numerous times his job is safe and reiterated that the reason why she made it 7 years because it was a "big undertaking" to bring the program back to respectability. Keep in mind the program hit rock bottom under her watch and now they are trying to bring it back up. This is year 3 under Purnell and they have been 6-47 (.117) in Big East play. He's been getting paid over 6 million since he has started and they are still horrible. The AD expects the changes to occure in year 5-apparently that's how long it takes to turn a program around.

The DePaul fanbase is no more upset with Father H. and the BOT for allowing her to keep her job, they actually extended her contract last year for another 5 years. DePaul will continue to be irrelevant until their AD is replaced.

Here is a nice website
http://www.firejean.com/

I will say that DePaul is making progress. They are a much more competitive team than they have been. The problem today is no one has patience. It takes time to turn around a program that is as down as DePaul or even my Johnnies. I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.

It shouldn't take that long especially if you are getting paid over 2 million a year. The needle has barely moved, take a look at what Steve Fisher has done in San Diego. Watch how quickly Larry Brown down at SMU will turn that program around.
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(03-16-2013 06:44 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Instead of acting like Thamel with no evidence to back up my accusations about him having an agenda, follow these links for articles he wrote for the NYT.
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So yeah I do think Thamel has zero credibility and doesn't follow journalistic integrity.

That's making a case that Thamel lets his personal priorities affect his journalism. Which is way different than just cussing him out.
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(03-16-2013 07:31 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:17 PM)ivet Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 03:34 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  The DePaul - Purnell link is fascinating? Doubtful since he could be out of a job as early as next year.

Sorry but Purnell has a 7 year 14 mill contract. DePaul's AD is...incompetent. She has stated numerous times his job is safe and reiterated that the reason why she made it 7 years because it was a "big undertaking" to bring the program back to respectability. Keep in mind the program hit rock bottom under her watch and now they are trying to bring it back up. This is year 3 under Purnell and they have been 6-47 (.117) in Big East play. He's been getting paid over 6 million since he has started and they are still horrible. The AD expects the changes to occure in year 5-apparently that's how long it takes to turn a program around.

The DePaul fanbase is no more upset with Father H. and the BOT for allowing her to keep her job, they actually extended her contract last year for another 5 years. DePaul will continue to be irrelevant until their AD is replaced.

Here is a nice website
http://www.firejean.com/

I will say that DePaul is making progress. They are a much more competitive team than they have been. The problem today is no one has patience. It takes time to turn around a program that is as down as DePaul or even my Johnnies. I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.

It shouldn't take that long especially if you are getting paid over 2 million a year. The needle has barely moved, take a look at what Steve Fisher has done in San Diego. Watch how quickly Larry Brown down at SMU will turn that program around.

Was San Diego St or SMU playing in this Big East? Were they going up against 8-10 tournament teams IN CONFERENCE every year?

I think they need patience and let the man rebuild. 2 million or not DePaul wont be rebuilt in a day.

They had 2 wins with 3 OT games. They could have very well been a 5 win team in conference play. Thats a clear improvement.
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(03-16-2013 07:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 06:44 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Instead of acting like Thamel with no evidence to back up my accusations about him having an agenda, follow these links for articles he wrote for the NYT.
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So yeah I do think Thamel has zero credibility and doesn't follow journalistic integrity.

That's making a case that Thamel lets his personal priorities affect his journalism. Which is way different than just cussing him out.

When did I cuss him out????

I just think of there was a real story there someone else would have put out something. The two articles trashing Georgetown during this C7 to BE process have been two reporters who make a habit of trashing our school.
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(03-16-2013 08:21 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 06:44 PM)nathanhm Wrote:  Instead of acting like Thamel with no evidence to back up my accusations about him having an agenda, follow these links for articles he wrote for the NYT.
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So yeah I do think Thamel has zero credibility and doesn't follow journalistic integrity.

That's making a case that Thamel lets his personal priorities affect his journalism. Which is way different than just cussing him out.

When did I cuss him out????

I just think of there was a real story there someone else would have put out something. The two articles trashing Georgetown during this C7 to BE process have been two reporters who make a habit of trashing our school.

Sorry. I confused you with Billyjack's post.

I still find it credible that non-Georgetown sources could be found to complain about the play Georgetown has gotten in the media, especially since they were widely seen as big advocates of the hybrid right up until the split. People like to complain.
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(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.

Do you mean a future conference that doesn't include Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, UConn and Cincinnati? He will show progress just by not having to play those schools.

Let's face it. The schools coming into the Big East can't replace those schools listed above that are leaving. Even St. John's should be able to show some progress.
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(03-17-2013 08:20 AM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.


Let's face it. The schools coming into the Big East can't replace those schools listed above that are leaving. Even St. John's should be able to show some progress.

Let's face it Depaul hasn't beat anyone, even the schools outside of the ones you mentioned as leaving - so that can't be what he meant.
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(03-17-2013 08:20 AM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.

Do you mean a future conference that doesn't include Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, UConn and Cincinnati? He will show progress just by not having to play those schools.

Let's face it. The schools coming into the Big East can't replace those schools listed above that are leaving. Even St. John's should be able to show some progress.

Is this guy trying to actually bait a mod? hahahaha 03-lmfao
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(03-17-2013 10:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:20 AM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 07:24 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I think Purnell has them moving in the right direction and being in a conference that isn't as oppressive as the Big East today will help them take that next step.

Do you mean a future conference that doesn't include Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, UConn and Cincinnati? He will show progress just by not having to play those schools.

Let's face it. The schools coming into the Big East can't replace those schools listed above that are leaving. Even St. John's should be able to show some progress.

Is this guy trying to actually bait a mod? hahahaha 03-lmfao

That's no way to get your "welcome to the party" rep.
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(03-17-2013 11:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 10:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Is this guy trying to actually bait a mod? hahahaha 03-lmfao

That's no way to get your "welcome to the party" rep.

I realize you are probably making the above statement with tongue in cheek (hence the series of "ha's"). But if such words were said about a non-mod's school, we'd have to "take it with a grain of salt" while not crying "Foul" since we lack your lofty standing as a moderator of this site.

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(03-17-2013 01:16 PM)muskienick Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 11:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 10:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Is this guy trying to actually bait a mod? hahahaha 03-lmfao

That's no way to get your "welcome to the party" rep.

I realize you are probably making the above statement with tongue in cheek (hence the series of "ha's"). But if such words were said about a non-mod's school, we'd have to "take it with a grain of salt" while not crying "Foul" since we lack your lofty standing as a moderator of this site.

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I don't doubt that Oliver Purnell has an affection for the University of Dayton, the UD Athletic department, Shaka Smart (and by proxy, VCU).

However, head basketball coaches (or football coaches) don't make the conference realignment decisions. All the coaches in these moves keep saying things like "I understand the move, but I really liked the (old conference)."

This is an AD/Presidential decision. And while personal relationships are a factor, it's not likely just a coaching relationship is the reason to favor one school over another.
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(03-17-2013 02:21 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  I don't doubt that Oliver Purnell has an affection for the University of Dayton, the UD Athletic department, Shaka Smart (and by proxy, VCU).

However, head basketball coaches (or football coaches) don't make the conference realignment decisions. All the coaches in these moves keep saying things like "I understand the move, but I really liked the (old conference)."

This is an AD/Presidential decision. And while personal relationships are a factor, it's not likely just a coaching relationship is the reason to favor one school over another.

Exactly. If it were up to coaches Cuse would have never left the BE. Neither would have ND or Pitt.
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(03-17-2013 01:16 PM)muskienick Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 11:03 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 10:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Is this guy trying to actually bait a mod? hahahaha 03-lmfao

That's no way to get your "welcome to the party" rep.

I realize you are probably making the above statement with tongue in cheek (hence the series of "ha's"). But if such words were said about a non-mod's school, we'd have to "take it with a grain of salt" while not crying "Foul" since we lack your lofty standing as a moderator of this site.

Hosanna to the highest; we bow before your greatness!hahahaha 03-lmfao

OK, to clarify, you're ALLOWED to talk trash about St Johns.

We're also ALLOWED to talk trash from our mod thrones.

Your options are to "take it with a grain of salt", or to talk trash back.
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